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May-11-18  Paint My Dragon: <Retireborn> Excellent. Even better is his follow up - <The World's A Chessboard>. Basically, more of the same ... and a hundred pages longer.

Ah, those were the days ... when Bronstein was a promising newcomer and the champion of Spain was a 14 year old lad. Even the Nazis couldn't put a dampener on our beloved game!

May-12-18  Retireborn: <PmD> Thanks. Is anything known about the occasion(s) of games 39 (Tarta-Golombek) and 41 (Alexander-Mieses)?

I'm wondering if the L.Alexander of the latter was actually Hugh Alexander, and the games are from the same event.

May-12-18  Paint My Dragon: <Retireborn> I don't have any knowledge of a London Tournament in 1941, but if it was armed services, then probably you'd need to consult the magazines or newspapers of the time. Certainly, Di Felice and Feenstra Kuiper have no record of it.

Regarding Alexander, this is most likely <Frederick Forrest Lawrie Alexander>, who lived in London and possibly used Lawrie as his chosen name. <Hugh> would have been close to his prime, almost grandmaster standard in 1941, whereas Mieses, at 76, some way past his peak. If he'd beaten Hugh, then Fine would have made more of it, I'm sure.

May-12-18  Retireborn: <PmD> Thanks again. Must admit I'd never previously heard of Lawrie Alexander.

Fine's writing is mostly on the dry side, but he's amusing when commenting on Alexander's 15th move; "Despite seven years of intensive study I can find no reasonable explanation for this move."

May-13-18  Paint My Dragon: I can't think of Mieses without recalling the classic:

<When he was 84, and defeated the 86 year old Dirk Van Foreest, he exclaimed afterwards "Youth has triumphed!">

I do hope that isn't just an apocryphal tale.

May-13-18  Paint My Dragon: ... And the occasion where the hotel receptionist said: ‘Greetings Mister M-a-ises!’, and he replied ‘I am not Mister M-a-ises, I am Meister M-i-ses!!’ ”

That's a play on words worthy of The Two Ronnies.

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  takchess: Can I submit games from " A Legend on the Road ,Bobby Fischer's 1964 Simul Tour" by John Donaldson to ? Those games not presently found here.
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  MissScarlett: Which games are those?
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  takchess: @MissScarlett I thought I found a few and they may be more a mistake in my searching technique than in the database. I will check out further.
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  MissScarlett: I uploaded about 60 of them awhile back from the latest edition. Let me know if I missed any.
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  zanzibar: Here's an attempt to document an important, almost essential, tool set for biographers:

I assume some are familiar with these techniques, but if you're not, and you want to work with foreign language sources...

* * * * *

PS - I know I'm a bit behind in replying to both posts and correspondence, so apologies to all... I'll try to catch up.

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  zanzibar: BTW- A proposal on citations for old Russian language periodicals:

<World Illust. (St. Petersburg) v26 N20 (7 Nov 1881 (OS)) p391>

Notice the date of the citation utilizes the origin date used in the periodical. This makes it much more natural to search the document, as well as matching the indexing I think is most commonly used. However, the date is given in the Old-Style calendar, and so I think adding the (OS) parenthetical is a good-thing™.

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  Tabanus: There are now three more buttons to push.
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  takchess: Sebastian Pozzo in the U10 World Cadet 2001 tourney, according to a Chris Ward book, played a trap that felt similar but not exactly like the Famous Fischer Reshevsky Trap. Bh7+ followed by Ng6 putting the king on the run. Can we get that game posted here? I can't seem to find it anywhere .


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  Tabanus: <CG editors> There are now five voting buttons to push. You may even make comments. Dortmund and Linares are just to replace the former TI "event" SuperGM (2001). Larsen - Tal is mainly to relieve a bad conscience. All four made in a hurry, I must admit.
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  zanzibar: Working a little bit on <Paris (1933)>, which refers to the strongest tournament held in the city that year.

Here's a Berger listing of the participants (pretty sure this is correct):




365chess has 32 of the games, and I have the brackets and final standings/scores from newspaper accounts, though I don't have a published xtab.

Thanks to <JFQ>, I think an xtab can be found here:

<La Stratégie (1933) p255>

Game Collection: Alekhine's Tournaments and Matches 1902-1946 (item #73)

Could somebody somehow get a scan of the xtab out to the world at large?

There's a fun, though somewhat grave, fact to be found in this write-up on the tournament:


May-23-18  Paint My Dragon: <z> From Di Felice: 1933 19-27 Oct. Int. Paris FRA – A Alekhine 8/9, S Tartakower 6, A Baratz, A Lilienthal 5.5, E Znosko-Borovsky 5, I Cukierman 4, M Raizman 3.5, M Frentz 3, A Gromer 2.5, F Lazard 2 (10)


(using the player list in the order above)

Busy days for Lilienthal, who joined Alekhine again at Hastings, and then participated in the Maroczy Memorial and another International in Budapest shortly after. Seems to have played himself into form too, having won the final event ahead of Flohr.

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  zanzibar: <PmD> wonderfully helpful to me - my 32 games + newspaper reports yielded a reconstruction that didn't match the final standings (I have Baratz 5.0 / Raizman 4.0 vs. 5.5/3.5)...

So let me fold in your info and retry it...

PS- Did Di Felice give his source(s)?

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  zanzibar: <CG> can we get a verbatim mode in posts?

Sure would make reading xtabs easier.

May-23-18  Paint My Dragon: <z> No, sorry, Di Felice (DF) doesn't give individual sources prior to 1941. In his general sources section there is no mention of <La Stratégie>, so that would undoubtedly be worth checking.

I can say that <Feenstra Kuiper> (Rod Edwards' other main go to) is in agreement with DF though, so if DF's xtab fits with your game results, then you may feel you need look no further. I imagine DF will have conflated Feenstra Kuiper with Gaige's Tournament Tables to arrive at his version.

Interestingly, there were a couple of Lilienthal-Tartakower matches held in Paris in 1933. I don't know any dates, but could imagine that at least one of them would have been held close to the main tournament. So beware that you don't incorporate a bogus game into your collection!

sources: DF, 1931-1935, p.177
FK, Hundert Jahre Schachturniere, p.139

May-23-18  Paint My Dragon: <z> Come to think about it, those matches were probably both held November/early December to help pass the time, before Lilienthal caught his ferry to Hastings. Just speculation though.
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  OhioChessFan: Lots of collections up for votes. I'll have a quick look tomorrow.
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  hemy: <z><PmD> Results of the Paris, 1931 tournament, matching the Di Felice's, were published in "Hamburger Nachrichten", November 3, 1933, Page 9:

"Pariser Meisterturnier. Der Schlußstand ist: Aljechin 8. Tartakower 6. Baratz, Lilienthal 5,5, Znosko-Borovsky 5, Cukierman 4, Raizman 3.5, Frentz 3, Gromer (Meister von Frankreich) 2.5, Lazard 2."

Results of 2 matches Tartakower-Lilienthal from the "Hamburger Nachrichten", November 14, 1933, Page 14:

"Wettkämpfe. Dr. Tartakower siegle in
Paris gegen Lilieuthal mit +1 bei 5 remisen.
Einen zweiten Wetlkampf gewann Tartakower mit +2, =4."

"L'Action Française", October 30, 1933, on page 4:

1. An article "Tournois de Paris" with the tournaments results, exactly as in "Hamburger Nachrichten".

2. An article about the match Lilienthal-Tartakower include the score of decisive game. "Partie décisive d'un match à la Régence,le mois dernier, gagné par Tartakower avec ce résultat: +1, —0, =5, soit - 3 1/2 à 2 1/2"

May-24-18  Paint My Dragon: <hemy> Thanks ... the first match was held in September then, ahead of the tournament. The second match presumably in Nov/early Dec.

1st match: Tartakower won the second game of 6 (the rest drawn).

2nd match: from Di Felice ... Tartakower won +2, -0, =4 (no progressive score sequence given).

May-24-18  Paint My Dragon: <hemy> Aah yes, the second match had concluded by November 14 - just noticed that in your post!
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