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Jul-28-14
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  zanzibar: And here is the comparison of the most recent <CG> Dubai 2014 Blitz WC vs <FIDE>:

http://zanchess.wordpress.com/2014/...

Jul-28-14
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  zanzibar: Ah yes, if anyone is brave enough (or would that be foolish enough?) to download the file then please let me know - I'm new at Google Drive.

https://drive.google.com/#folders/0...

Jul-28-14
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  chessgames.com: Memo from the <Department of Redundancy Department>

It was brought to our attention that a few of tournaments are inaptly named, e.g. <2008 Olympiad (2008)>. Some software just ran though the database and fixed this.

Happily there were only three to fix, in the realm of Tournament Index entries:

Phillips & Drew GLC Kings (1984),
Bundesliga (2009/10), and the aforementioned Olympiad (2008).

It's easy to see how these problems happen; I am guilty myself of entering ad-hoc formats when new tournaments roll around.

Jul-28-14
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  WCC Editing Project:

Wow that was fast, thanks- Olympiad (2008)

This "software" you speak of sounds like one of the modern marvels of our age, like "iced cream" and the "biplane."

It's getting better and better eh?

Jul-28-14
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  zanzibar: If you want another good example tournament to use as a test bed for <pgn-compare> I suggest <Dubia 2014 Rapid WC>:

FIDE World Rapid Championship (2014)

Here is the official standings:

http://dubai2014wrb.com/en/result/r...

<CG>'s problems are immediately obvious, in that several of the top 10 have less than the 15 games played in 15-round Swiss.

(<FIDE>'s pgn has 840 games, <CG> has 616 games)

My take on it is here:

http://zanchess.wordpress.com/2014/...

Jul-28-14
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  zanzibar: Well, well, well. Guess what?! FIDE is also using "stub" games.

As I mentioned earlier, I looked into <Dubai 2014 Rapid WC>. But I didn't look into the "looking into" closely enough - till now.

There are ~ 227 missing games, i.e. <FIDE> games which are not on <CG>. Of these, 226 are <stub games>, leaving just one missing game:

Basheer Al Qudaimi -- Abdulla Faisal (R8.51) 0-1 (B43) 2014.06.17

Apparently <FIDE> views stub games as useful. As I mentioned, though originally suspect, I've eventually become somewhat an advocate.

(E.g. who's going to process 226 games to adjust leader board entries? Any volunteers?)

I know some don't like "stubs" (aka "filler" games), and that <CG> doesn't use them. But I haven't seen too many arguments expounding the exact reasons why not. This latest development gives me cause to solicit others opinions on the matter once again.

Jul-29-14
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  zanzibar: Apparently I was wrong - <CG> does do stub games:

R Mamedov vs Harikrishna, 2014

Jul-29-14
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  zanzibar: <Dubai 2014 Blitz WC>

And for the record, out of the 24 "missing" <FIDE> blitz games, 16 are stubs.

So, perhaps more code to add to my program to flag these cases.

Jul-29-14
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  Stonehenge: About Date of Births in player bios: a year or two ago there was some consensus that the DOB should not be repeated in the bio. But now I see it (re)appear everywhere. I think it's just ugly to have the DOB twice close together. Any thoughts on this?
Jul-29-14
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  Stonehenge: See Biographer Bistro.
Jul-29-14
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  chessgames.com: Corrected link: Biographer Bistro

(BTW, you can now easily make a permalink to a post by right-clicking on the date, copying the URL, and using that.)

Jul-29-14
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  chessgames.com: <<CG> does do stub games> We don't normally do stubs. I forgot how or why that R Mamedov vs Harikrishna, 2014 game got inserted, but it probably should be deleted now (unless it was a forfeit.)
Jul-29-14
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  Stonehenge: test: Biographer Bistro
Jul-29-14
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  chessgames.com: You got it, Stonehenge. Now we just need to update Kibitzing Tricks and document the feature.
Jul-29-14
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  OhioChessFan: Per Dmitry Jakovenko

<Jakovenko’s academic record was one of being a straight-5 student (equivalent of straight As), >

Either "the equivalent" or "equivalent to".

<and prior to the examinations which enabled him to enter Moscow State University to enroll in computing, math and cybernetics, and upon graduation to eventually go on to study a PhD in economics, he won a zonal final of the all-Russian Mathematical Olympiad.>

This runs on too much. I am not even sure if the last clause is the antecedent of "prior to". If it is, then maybe:

Jakovenko’s academic record was sparkling. He was a straight-5 student (the equivalent of straight As), won a zonal final of the all-Russian Mathematical Olympiad, graduated from Moscow State University after studying computing, math and cybernetics, and eventually received a PhD in economics.

Jul-29-14
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  Tabanus: Game Collection Voting time again.

As usual, the English needs a ... umm, polish. And sorry for the little information from this playoff.

Jul-29-14
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  Sneaky: <OhioChessFan> Your change is clearly an improvement, I just pasted it in.

I asked about this a few weeks ago: do I have to discuss minor or even semi-major rewrites if I see something that surely needs fixing? The answer could be summarized by Davy Crockett: "Be sure that you're right, then go ahead."

Jul-29-14
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  OhioChessFan: Sneaky, I'm not an editor/biographer. Coincidentally, 5 seconds before coming back to this page, I had just emailed the admins asking to be a biographer.
Jul-29-14
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  Tabanus: Welcome both! <Sneaky> I think a notification in advance is always good. Or at least afterwards. If it's pure improvement of the English, there's a also a risk of changing the meaning.
Jul-29-14
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  Sneaky: I usually only make grammatical corrections of an uncontroversial nature, but if I am going to change the meaning of something I like to mention it.
Jul-29-14
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  Tabanus: <Sneaky> Yes of course. I meant that the risk of changing it unintentionally is really there. Due to bad English skills, the author may have meant something else than what you think he meant! Typos should not need any notification.
Jul-29-14
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  WCC Editing Project:

<Ohio> Finally!

Fantastic news man.

<Sneaky,Tab>
I agree with <Tab> that we should let each other know what we're revising here in the <Bistro>- it's a system that's worked well for some time now. It helps keep things organized and open for discussion.

Jul-29-14
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  OhioChessFan: A few suggestions for <Tab>

<Henrique Mecking had won >

"had" is unnecessary.

<This took place>

"It" would be better. Or just accept the repetition and go with "The playoff took place"

<Also his two rivals were of the same nationality. >

I rarely like sentences that start with also. They almost always strike me as clumsy/clunky/awkward. It does get wordy if you try something else, but it might be worth it. Perhaps "Complicating matters, his two rivals......."

Jul-29-14
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  OhioChessFan: More Dmitry Jakovenko

<In the Chess Olympiad (2010), he played for Russia C,2 scoring +8 =10 -1 for a playing percentage of 68.4%. >

"winning percentage"

Jul-30-14
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  Tabanus: <Ohio> Changes made, thanks.

I plan to add a little more to the introduction of Petropolis Interzonal (1973), is that Ok? I'll notify you when done.

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