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|Sep-28-14|| ||Tabanus: Probably earlier the same day. The Times has <Of the games played yesterday in the last round, that between Mühring and Schmidt was played in advance since Schmidt had to leave early to take part in another tournament at Beverwijk, Holland.>|
|Sep-28-14|| ||Stonehenge: According to http://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=d... they played Saturday (January 8).|
|Sep-28-14|| ||Stonehenge: I mean Muhring and Schmidt played Saturday (zaterdag), the others on Sunday (zondag).|
|Sep-28-14|| ||Tabanus: Nah,
"De Gooi- en Eemlander" has Rossolimo-Wood (in last round) on Saturday = Jan. 8: http://kranten.delpher.nl/nl/view/i...
"De Tijd" http://kranten.delpher.nl/nl/view/i... says Mühring-Schmidt was played on <Friday> (Jan. 7).
|Sep-28-14|| ||Tabanus: <CG> I think <Evgenij> Agrest is correct. It's the name on his own book (http://www.sjakkbutikken.no/produkt...) plus Swedish Wikipedia (http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evgeni...) and almost all Google searches with Agrest + Schack (and sjakk).|
|Sep-28-14|| ||zanzibar: <chessgames> I expect I'll have a comment or two on the naming matters... but not at the exact moment. Let me defer more comment, other than to say it's a big topic but one that is probably worthwhile.|
(OK, and this, FIDE's records aren't perfect, and noting the differences will likely be helpful to the entire chess community)
|Sep-28-14|| ||zanzibar: I've been doing some tactical training again of late, and came across some positions from a game my DB (<MillBase>) lists only as OLNW/OLNW/1992 (event/site/year).|
<CG> has games from this tournament, it lists as being OLNW/BIG 90:
Blatny vs D Lau, 1992
Apparently this was a recurring tournament, as I have games from years 1992/1993/1996. Looking at the players, I think it's a German tournament.
(Note: the tournaments are also lists as OLNW 9192 and OLNW 9697, perhaps suggesting a tournament straddling the New Year)
Searching for the acronym (OLNW+schach) I found this:
<Bundesliga Ergebnisdienst Hamburg
Oberliga Nord Staffel West>
Can anybody provide me with more information about the tournament (specifically 1992), and the sponsoring organization?
And what does <BIG 90> stand for?
|Sep-28-14|| ||zanzibar: <Tabanus> It pains me to vote against <PMD> (and others), but vote I will...|
= is my preference.
If you are stuck with ansi (as many still are) = has the additional advantage of lining up the columns nicely with 0 or 1 (or *) results, versus 1/2.
It's ansi, easier to read in a crosstable (to my eyes, at least on the computers, it's less busy).
Also, as you scan across a line of results, you can differentiate the 0,1 results (i.e. the ones that matter), much more readily.
= != ½
= 0 1 = = = 1 - 0 1
½ 0 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 - 0 1
Have I really waxed so loquacious over such a small matter?
|Sep-28-14|| ||Tabanus: <zanzibar> Majority will decide. Poll (forwards):|
½: WCCEP, Tab, PMD
|Sep-28-14|| ||zanzibar: <Tabanus> yes, majority vote is good.|
But I think the poll is backwards maybe?
(This could also reflect my <SCID> heritage - as it uses "=", versus <Chessbase>'s use of "½". Or maybe it's a European vs American thing?)
|Sep-28-14|| ||Tabanus: <zanzibar> No, it's forwards now :)|
|Sep-28-14|| ||zanzibar: <tabanus> Oh, I'm all corn-fuzed now!|
|Sep-28-14|| ||Paint My Dragon: <Zanzi> No need for corn-fusion. Open any ECO/ BCO/ NCO and look under 'Notation' or 'Symbols' and you will see that:|
= means balanced or equal position.
Which is not the same as a draw. It's that simple!
Don't argue, or I'll be forced to mention the Ryder Cup ;-)
|Sep-28-14|| ||chessgames.com: Here's another odd case.
Bader Nasser is listed in FIDE as <Bader Alkhaldi> (http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?...)
If it was a woman I would suspect she got married, but it's not. Perhaps the most likely explanation is that a CG Editor accidentally pulled up the wrong Bader.
|Sep-29-14|| ||zanzibar: Arabian names are a little complicated, as often there are multiple names, which sometimes include geographical locations.|
His name is really certainly incorrect on the FIDE card, which should read:
<Bader Al Khaldi>
Very many of the Kuwaiti players have their surname as Al xxxx. Actually, sometimes the names read Al-xxxx instead (of course this is referring to the Westernized spellings in Latin).
I'm not sure where <CG> got the name Nasser from, but perhaps his full name is
<Bader Nasser Al Khaldi>?
http://www.stat.kuniv.edu/services/... (entry #10)
|Sep-29-14|| ||zanzibar: Really, certainly, I would apologize for hyperbolic emphaticality, and would really certainly correct, if only I could readily editedly the post.|
|Sep-29-14|| ||zanzibar: Part of the problem might be Kuwaiti in origin too:
|Sep-29-14|| ||zanzibar: OK, I once said that my forum posts are like working notes...|
Here's a facebook page that seems relevant to this one person of interest:
<Bader N. Alkhaldy>
Maybe I was wrong about the Kuwaiti names, that the Al is a separate word. For some, it could have been fused into the last name apparently.
Facebook is highly suggestive, since it should involve the person directly, with no intervening copyist.
This is a dangerous business. (I suggest just following FIDE for practical purpose - plus, there isn't enough time or energy to track all the cases down)
|Sep-29-14|| ||Karpova: <zanzibar: Can anybody provide me with more information about the tournament (specifically 1992), and the sponsoring organization?>|
<Oberliga> is the 3rd highest German Chess league, behind <1. Bundesliga> and <2. Bundesliga>. It's divided into 10 divisions, and <Oberliga Nord Staffel West> is one of them. So it's a yearly contested league.
Since neither Blatny nor Lau (Civek) seem to have a <Deutscher Schachbund> Player Card, I chose Junge of R Junge vs Blatny, 1992. Here you can see his old Player Card: http://altdwz.schachbund.de/db/spie...
As you can see, events prior to 1992 are missing and there is no further data for 1992 available. That's why the sole rated event from 1992, <Oberliga Nord/Staffel West 1991/92>, has no further details on whom he played against. But the page shows still some information: http://altdwz.schachbund.de/db/turn...
For OLNW, the <Niedersächsischer Schachverband> (Lower Saxonian Chess Federation) was at least responsible for the calculation of rating.
When you visit their webpage, http://www.nsv-online.de/verband/Li..., you will see a chart showing that the <Norddeutsche Schachverbände> (North German Chess Federations) are responsible for the <Oberliga> in general (or at least the North German divisions). So that the Chess Federation responsible is always the one(s) encompassing the whole territory of the participating Chess Clubs.
I've seen the abbreviation <BIG 90> more often when the <Oberliga> was concerned, but I have no idea what it could mean. It might have something to do with time control, but this is pure speculation on my part: <Bedenkzeit in Gebrauch 90 Minuten> (time control in use 90 minutes) could be abbreviated to <BIG 90> and looks like something a German would come up with. Early 90s may appear strange, but may be the reason why it was specifically stated.
|Sep-29-14|| ||crawfb5: <zanzibar> Possibly the names are getting fused as part of immigration. After all, "Vanderbilt" was originally <van der Bilt> in Dutch, and something similar may be happening to some of the Arabic names.|
|Sep-29-14|| ||zanzibar: <Karpova> thank you very much for all that information. I did a quick read of it, and will have to review it again (there's a lot of new links I haven't utilized before). |
I'm curious though about where the tournaments were held.
Is this known? (Did I simply miss it?).
(This link has a lot of info, but I couldn't find an explicit mention of the tournament site. But it does say that there were 117 players in a 9 round tournament)
Thanks again for your help.
|Sep-29-14|| ||zanzibar: <crawfb5> Yes, something like that may be at play.|
I talked to my Moroccan friend today about it, and he agreed with my initial impression - that Al should be a separate word, at least formally.
On the other hand, he's not Kuwaiti, nor does it appear that the Kuwaiti's are entirely consistent (from one name to another).
Again, the Facebook page is quite telling since it's almost certainly the same player - despite the uncertainly in the image:
The Facebook page should reflect the wishes of the individual, after all.
At the very least the <CG> entry should be modified in this case.
(PS- French names have a similar history. Is it LeClerc, Leclerc, Le Cler or ???
|Sep-30-14|| ||Karpova: <Zanzibar>
The team matches are usually played in the Chess Clubs themselves. So you have home games and away games, depending on the playing schedule (like in the NBA). So most likely, one of the two teams of a match hosted the match.
The Chess Bundesliga has been employing the method of one Chess Club hosting several team matches in one chess playing weekend (probably to save travel expenses) and here is an example of how that looks like: http://www.schachbundesliga.de/pics... (SV Werder Bremen hosts three other Chess Clubs during one weekend and plays two matches).
But I do not consider it likely that this was in use more than 20 years ago in the Oberliga. Without the playing schedule, the match venue cannot be clearly determined. With Germany you cannot go wrong. Several federal states are involved, even in case of the Oberliga Nord Staffel West, e. g. Blatny was active in Bremen (Bremer SG and SV Werder Bremen), a federal state on its own, and the 2nd team of the Bremer SG plays in the Oberliga Nord Staffel West. But I don't know what team he played for in 1992. In addition, he is not in a German Chess Club any longer, so he has no Player Card in the DSB database.
|Sep-30-14|| ||Stonehenge: Are these all the same player?
Naji Mohd Saeed Al Razi
Naji M Saeed
Naji Mohamed Said
N Saed Kia
Is Al Razi the same as Alradhi?
|Sep-30-14|| ||WCC Editing Project: |
Game Collection: Hastings 1948/1949
William Winter did not play in this event. All 9 of the games he is listed as playing here were actually played by William Arthur Winser.
Source: Harry Golombek and W. Ritson Morry, "Hastings Chess Tournament 1948-49" En Passant Chess Publications, 1st Edition 1949
Correction slips for all 9 games submitted on Sept 29, 2014.
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