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Jul-01-15  Dr Esenville: Keizer vs Kroes, 1991 - H. Keizer vs. G H Kroes (source:
Jul-01-15  Dr Esenville: Kozelek vs Holzmann, 1929 - K. Kozelek vs. G. Holzmann (source:
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  Tabanus: <Sargon> We agreed to use the two lists at FIDE Country Codes, with for example NED for the Netherlands and URS (not USR) for the Soviet Union. I see you have already implemented NLD for Netherlands, sigh. Please change to NED for all.
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  Tabanus: Eight Hastings (1980/81) games had wrong year (1980 instead of 1981). Now fixed!

8 x 3 = 24 games in 1980 minus 2 postponed Lein games = 22 games in 1980.

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  Sargon: <Tabanus> We agreed to use the two lists at FIDE Country Codes.

I'll fix Netherlands, but what about countries like East Germany, West Germany, etc.? Should we use ISO as a fallback?

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  Tabanus: <Sargon> Thanks. The list says GDR for East Germany, but West Germany I'm not sure of. All I know is GER after the fall of the Berlin wall. Do we have to take these now? I was hoping to sort out USA and Soviet first, and then perhaps Yugoslavia.
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  Sargon: West Germany can be FRG
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  Tabanus: Huebner has BRD on the 1971 list and FRG on the 1975 list. Uhlmann has DDR on both these lists, here:

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  Tabanus: Aha! Wikipedia (1949 - 1990 for both):

East Germany: DDR in German and GDR in English. Not sure what FIDE used.

West Germany: BRD in German and FRG in English. Not sure what FIDE used.

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  Tabanus: Well, don't know with you but I grew up with DDR and BRD. And USSR.
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  MissScarlett: <Huebner has BRD on the 1971 list and FRG on the 1975 list.>

Sure it didn't say FAG?

Jul-01-15  zanzibar: <MS><Sure it didn't say FAG?> How about GROAN?
Jul-01-15  zanzibar: I think GER is good for all W. German games during the East/West era.

Keep it simple.

Olimpbase thinks the same:

<6 - Also West Germany 1948-1990.>

A good site to look at, and not just for this stuff.

Jul-01-15  zanzibar: And yes, apologies for the URS typo from before.

Actually, there should be a software layer that catches such errors - both checking and displaying the decoded Country Code name before accepting a correction.

I try to do this, and have two way map lookups at the ready during each session.

Jul-01-15  zanzibar: <RE: ICCF players>

Please see this post: Wolfgang Grohde (kibitz #2)

Jul-01-15  zanzibar: I'll publish it in a bit, but all the ICCF players have been mapped to CG players with the exception of these three (provided Rohde -> Grohde):

Berry, Francis Jonathan ___ 90069 Berry, Francis Jonathan CAN M i 2545 / 127

Giuliani, Sante (ITA) ___ 240384 Giuliani, Sante ITA M 2629 / 106

Sv▀cek, Pavel (CZE) ___ 130597 Svacek, Pavel CZE M 2561 / 243

Where I've listed ICCF PGN name on the left, and __rep__ (w ICCF id) on the right.

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  Tabanus: Fischer vs Bisguier, 1963, year was 1962 (fixed).

It also now say "US" and not U. S.", as with the rest. Awaiting [Site "New York, New York USA"] to be implemented.

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  Tabanus: US Championship (1962) also had an error in the crosstable (Evans 1/2 instead of 1 vs Sherwin).

Now fixed!

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  Tabanus: US Championship (1963/64), last round is in 1964.

But e. g. US Championship (1962) and US Championship (1966) also have last round the next year. Is it desirable to change the title?

Jul-02-15  zanzibar: <Tab> nobody else has opined?

Well, if you do it for one...

Actually, though, for this series of tournaments it does look strange to have a split year suddenly appear.

Maybe the US Championship (1963/64) should just be US Championship (1963)?

As I said, if you do it for one...

Jul-02-15  zanzibar: So I've found all the <ICCF WC-04 (62/65)> games on <CG>:

1306369 1471457 1550367 1570061 1613920
1613925 1613924 1613919 1613921 1569590
1613923 1613922 1306359 1306367 1306366
1306361 1306364 1306363 1306358 1306362
1306360 1306365 1306368 1471459 1471455
1471461 1471453 1471460 1471463 1471454
1471462 1471456 1471458 1613927 1613931
1507918 1613934 1613930 1613933 1569588
1613932 1613935 1243206 1508846 1613936
1613938 1613945 1569592 1613944 1613954
1613957 1613951 1613940 1613947 1569587
1613941 1076528 1613959 1613956 1613958
1569595 1613943 1613926 1613950 1613948
1569594 1613952 1613955 1613946 1569586
1613937 1704738 1569593 1613942 1613949
1569591 1569589 1613953

Can <CG> just turn that into a tournament?

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  crawfb5: <zanzibar: So I've found all the <ICCF WC-04 (62/65)> games on <CG>:


Can <CG> just turn that into a tournament?>

This should be all of them with a crosstable. Not much of an intro, but there's not a wealth of information on these events. If no one has anything to add, it could be nominated for a tournament page.

Game Collection: 4th Correspondence World Championship Final

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  Tabanus: <z> The year is already split for some. I'd prefer to have split year for those who were split, but have no strong opinion on the matter.

There's something wrong with Kemeri (1937), e. g. compare the scores of Mikenas and Landau in the two tables. But I'm too tired now, good night.

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  Paint My Dragon: <Tab> Re:Kemeri 1937 - <Chessdreamer> notes the source of the error on the kibitz page. His explanation seems to fit with the crosstables given by Feenstra-Kuiper, Di Felice and Fride.

Looks like <Phony> sent a correction slip in 2012. Maybe it will reach the top of the pile soon!

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  crawfb5: I found it easier to generate a new crosstable for Kemeri (1937) than proofread the old one, but it should be fixed now.
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