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  zanzibar: <MissS> is perhaps referring to this specific piece of info?

Capablanca vs J Baca Arus, 1912 (kibitz #46)

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  zanzibar: Re: <Moot>

According to one of my favorite sites, the meaning is clear according to part of speech:


<moot (adj.)>
"debatable; not worth considering" from moot case, earlier simply moot (n.) "discussion of a hypothetical law case" (1530s), in law student jargon. The reference is to students gathering to test their skills in mock cases.

<moot (n.)>
"assembly of freemen," mid-12c., from Old English gemot "meeting" (especially of freemen, to discuss community affairs or mete justice), "society, assembly, council," from Proto-Germanic *ga-motan (compare Old Low Frankish muot "encounter," Middle Dutch moet, Middle High German muoz), from collective prefix *ga- + *motan (see meet (v.)).

<moot (v.)>
"to debate," Old English motian "to meet, talk, discuss," from mot (see moot (n.)). Related: Mooted; mooting.


Of course I'm assuming the conclusion from the lack of cautionary note about the meaning.

Which makes me wonder, can anyone cite an example in the literature of British using the phrase "moot point" to mean a point open to meaning debate?


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  zanzibar: Of course slang is full of examples of words that are their own opposites.
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  zanzibar: Contronyms, anyone?

Of course, the discussion began with a word having opposite meaning, depending on which side of the Atlantic one is on.



AmBritnyms? (pronounced ambernyms?)

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  zanzibar: RE: Gurevich (1954):

Some bio stuff spilling over on <chessgames> forum: chessforum (kibitz #28608)

Anybody know when <27e Leningrad ch (1954)> was held?

(More specifically than the year, of course)

BTW - All the <Chess in the USSR> magazine issues for 1954 can be found online.

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  zanzibar: Well, it's looks like <Chess in the USSR N9 (1954)> p277> gives this:

<Organization of the tournament It was twice planned and twice postponed for various reasons, the opening of the tournament, held, finally, on May 24. The tournament brought together a team of participants incomplete for Leningrad: 1 grandmaster, 8 masters and 5 candidates for the master. The inferiority of the composition has become chronic for the championships of Leningrad in recent years, and in this connection it is impossible not to welcome the recent decisions of the plenum of the All-Union Chess Section aimed at raising the significance of the championships of the union republics of Moscow and Leningrad. HeynauHo Bb.6pahHoe apeMa Becbma hampered the tournament, Pan map TKA. Hrpanch. He no pakpisaniyu, as among the participants there were many students who passed exams at that time, there was one minus for non-appearance. After the 6th round, one of the strongest Leningrad candidates for the masters Artsu was eliminated. KebH, Koroplir He cMor cobMecTHT, study with participation in the tournament. I could not finish the last three games of the Kogins, and they were awarded. All this greatly complicated the work of the panel of judges (Chief Justice M. Volkovyssky). The terms of the game were, in our opinion, quite acceptable, since the administration of the Central Chess Club, apparently, took into account the sad experience of the previous championship, minimized the interference from other events. Course of struggle
Orm Hv Horo pe3y, TE, TaTa ta cTapTe no6MJIcsa HexoBep, Ha6pa BLII MA 7 O'I KOB 443 8 napTHA. Bor KaK nipoTeKa.Ta oluana his party. No 180. Sicilian defense>

Needs quite a bit of clean up, but the date is easy enough to pick out:

<EventDate = May 24, 1954>

Somebody tell Di Felice.

Dec-09-17  Retireborn: <z> That's a tournament that Boris Spassky played in, and my commercial database says he won with 12.5/15. It only has five of his games though.
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  zanzibar: <RB> something's amiss, in that case.

I do get the leaders of the tournament from Di Felice:

(bottom of page)


1.Kopilov ... 9/12
2.Tolush ... 9/12
3.Furman ... 9/12

So, no Spassky in the top-5. (This tn was for Leningrad ch, Spassky was probably still playing in junior city ch at the time.)

From the periodical I find the same leaders (p278), and the rest ... e.g. Gurevich tied for 12-13th place.

Dec-09-17  Retireborn: <z> Looks as if the commercial Spassky database refers to a completely different Leningrad 1954 tourney, in which Spassky played ao Polu, Geller, and Krogius. Not the one with the mysterious Gurevich then.
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  zanzibar: <RB> Di Felice has this other tournament as taking place later in the year, in the summer:

<Leningrad (USSR) 10 VII-2 VIII 1954 -- Masters & CM's>

1. Spassky 12.5/15, 2. Polu 12/15, 3.Cherepkov 10/15, etc.

The xtab comes from <Shakhmaty v. SSSR 1954 N11>.

Dec-09-17  Retireborn: <z> Yes, that's the one. The Spassky database calls it "USSR ch among Masters and Master-candidates" (what a title!)

Silly of me to assume they meant a Leningrad ch.

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  zanzibar: <RB> thanks for the help - it was a fun little exercise.

Still would like to find out more about <Gurevich, B.N.>, especially given he was a chess journalist.

OK then, all's well that ends well.

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  hemy: <zanzibar> The table of the Leningrad championship, 1954 in English:

<a team of participants incomplete for Leningrad> The tournament brought inadequate participants list.

<All-Union Chess Section aimed at raising the significance of the championships of the union republics of Moscow and Leningrad.> Soviet Union Chess Section aimed at raising the significance of the championships of the Soviet union republics and Moscow and Leningrad.

All-Union = Soviet Union.

The wrong chosen event time period hampered the tournament. Among participants were many students that had exams at this time period. After the 6th round, one of the strongest Leningrad master candidates Artsukevich left the tournament because he wasn't able combine study with participation in the tournament. Koginov was unable finish 3 last games and they were decided by tournament referees.

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  zanzibar: <Hemy> many thanks, truly helpful to get a corrected version of the info.

Are we still lacking info on <Gurevich, B.N.>, despite his being a chess journalist (in Leningrad(?)).

I used to have an encyclopedia of chess, in Russian, with lots of biographical info on many, many players. Is this Gurevich in there?

(I'll keep looking for my pdf copy...)

PS- Is Gurevich a version of the name Horowitz? I saw someone say that on the web. I also wonder if any of the various Gurevich chessplayers (and physicists) are related.


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  zanzibar: Here is a reference to the aforementioned Encyclopedia: (ru)

Not sure which edition I had, probably an earlier one.

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  hemy: <zanzibar> Yes, Gurevich is a version of the name Horowitz:

<Gurevich, B.N.> Gurevich Boris Natanovich, June 2, 1930 - June 5, 2016, born in Ukraine, passed away in New York. Selected chapters from the article of Edward Luchin, President of the Association of Sports Veterans "Remembering a friend. To the opening of the monument of Boris Natanovich Gurevich":

How quickly time flies! For the past year Boris Gurevich has not been with us, which many readers remember under the pseudonym N. Borisov. Professional journalist and writer. In the Soviet Union, he was published in "Soviet Sport", "64 Chess Review", "Vecherny Leningrad", "Leningradskaya Pravda", "Literaturnaya Gazeta", "Musical Life", the "Neva" magazine and many other publications. And when he moved to his permanent residence in the United States, he was published in the "New Russian Word", "the Jewish World", "Rakurs", "Vestnik", and conducted a chess program on the WMNB channel. Since 1996 he worked in "Evening New York", since 2001 - in "Telenedel". In 2000 he was awarded the SEMI Award as the best Russian-speaking sports journalist in New York, was introduced to the Hall of Fame of the Association of Sports Veterans (New York. USA).

Being a master of sports in chess Boris Gurevich devoted much time to popularizing chess. His pen belongs to the most interesting book "Coryphaeus of chess without retouching and makeup". Here is what the famous Soviet chess player, International Grand Master Mark Taimanov wrote in his preface to this book: "We have known the author of this book, Boris Gurevich (the literary pseudonym N. Borisov) for more than sixty years. I remember him still as a schoolboy, fanatically passionate about chess, who does not miss a single significant city competition. For each round, Boris came before the participants, he sat down in the first row and always went out last. Fortunately, the love of chess did not distract him from the main tasks of his youth - Boris graduated from school with a medal, entered the philological faculty of Leningrad University, and after completing the studies, he devoted himself to journalism.

His autobiography book "Прыжок через океан" ("Jump Across the Ocean"):

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  zanzibar: <hemy> most excellent work!
Dec-12-17  Boomie: A small suggestion:

In the description for a tournament, it would be nice to see the number of rounds. For example, in the Russian Superfinals, there is a description of the time control and tie breaks but no mention of how many rounds. The end date of the tournament is a clue, but sometimes the final day is for closing ceremonies.

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  zanzibar: <Boomie> sounds like a good idea.

Myself, I'd like to see a standard "first-look" type template for tournaments - and add the nice fuller write-ups when available.

But a fairly standard, easy-to-scan, header would be nice.

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  Tabanus: A quick and dirty "(11 rounds)" added.

There's a point having it, esp. if the games of the last round(s) are unavailable, or if CG forgets to add them. That has happened a few times.

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  Tabanus: The last 120 games (2-5 December) from the Chinese Chess League (2017) have <once again> been put into Chinese Team Championships (2017).

Slip not sent (there's no correction slip link).

Premium Chessgames Member I got it Tabanus. Thanks. Next year we'll try to get it straight.

On a different topic somebody confused Sargon with the request to merge all of Gospodin Atanasov into those of Petko Atanasov. Seeing they both have FIDE ID's and different birth years, we'd like to see a little corroboration before doing such a thing. Perhaps the submitter noticed one misattributed game and leapt to conclusions, I'm not sure.

Until we know more the request is shelved.

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  Tabanus: <CG> Thanks CG. It was not easy because even Chess-Results used the wrong name.

Some or all games from the real Chinese Team Ch in Beijing 6-14 June 2017 are in CG too. They have Event = CHN Team Men. If you'd like to TI them, they should be called Chinese Team Championship (2017).

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  Tabanus: now call it "2017 Chinese Chess League Division A Round 19-22" for the whole event that started 18 April. If you click on Playing schedule, note that there was no playing in June. shows the real Chinese Team Ch in June, but they still call it "2017 Chinese Chess League Men".

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  Chessical: The first draft of Game Collection: Bogoljubov - Eliskases 1939 is open for comments in anticipation of later submission for voting.

This appears to be a largely forgotten match, probably due to it being played on the cusp of the Second World War.

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