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Jun-22-17
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  crawfb5: <zanzibar: No interest in doing the photographs?>

My sources aren't necessarily any better than yours, but some indication of persons of interest might stimulate some activity. :-)

Jun-22-17
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  TheFocus: I also love the line drawings that appear. Sometimes, that is all you will find in some players. But they are very artistic and detailed.
Jun-22-17
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  TheFocus: Give us a list of names of players you are looking for.

I am doing tons of research in the 1800's and early 1900's. I may come across some in my daily work.

Jun-22-17
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  zanzibar: The list of names I'm working on comes from Reichhelm's Fifty - the (famous) basis for Z-base.

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016...

(It's a little more than 50 since I added a few extras - e.g. some early Lasker tournaments)

So, if you download Z-base (v0.4) and use SCID's <Player Finder> window - you'll get a quick listing.

(That is, if you set the display to allow all ~216 names, and not just 50)

* * * * *

Here's another, more direct, listing of all the players:

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2017...

I haven't marked what's already available (via SCID's historic.spf file), or what's already been done(*).

(*) Up to Gelbfuhs, with a rather unsatisfactory Gifford just added.

* * * * *

I love all kinds of images - and have included a few line drawings, as well as re-touched portraits.

The images in SCID are just 100x80, and sometimes need a little work in photoshop (or gimp).

Any of you run that kinda stuff? (I know Hemy does).

* * * * *

If anyone runs SCID and is interested, I can arrange to get the new mods out to you for early previewing.

I would envision keeping two versions of the photos - one hi-res, the other low-res; though the low-res can be eliminated as it also lives in <zbase.spf>.

A quick word about naming conventions to finish - I like having the player's name for the file, plus the source ref, e.g.

<Alapin, Simon - ACB v2 (1905) p85.jpg>

Another place where <CG> can do better than SCID - SCID doesn't allow a caption slot for the photo (though the info could be added to the bio - something I haven't been doing thus far).

Jun-23-17
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  zanzibar: Does anybody know if Carl Theodor Goering would be wearing a kippah?

I have a low-res image of him (the only one I could find) - and I would guess he was wearing one.

On the other hand, the image is rather poor, and it could be a effect of the lighting (and baldness?).

I had to heavily photoshop the image to get something I liked, and I left the kippah in.

Jun-23-17
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  Tabanus: Looking for pictures of persons I'm working with (for CG) is what I can do. Is a bad picture better than no picture? Is an unsourced picture better than no picture? I found these on

Eliza Mary Thorold : http://soloscacchi.altervista.org/w...
John Edmund Hall : http://www.scacchi64.com/campioni/h...

Good enough? Both are from Italian websites, and unsourced.

Jun-23-17
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  Stonehenge: <CG>

You still haven't explained this UENGO and UFRAO etc. stuff. Clearly ENG stands for England and FRA for France but how it got into the database is a mystery to me.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Jun-23-17
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  MissScarlett: <If anyone runs SCID and is interested...>

Anyone?

Jun-23-17
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  zanzibar: <<Missy> Anyone?>

Any someone...

I realize that I sometimes get painted as a liberal, since I'm more than willing to include freaks, geeks, and the gender-confused.

On the other hand, a exclude a rather large swath of today's political spectrum - since a functioning cerebral cortex will be needed (i.e. some semblance of higher brain function being a prerequisite).

Jun-23-17
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  zanzibar: I missed this wrinkle in chess history the first time through...

Anyone ever hear of the

<Mongredien Tourney (1868-9) / London>

?

It was sponsored by the economist Mongredien, as a minor tourney of the BCA Congress.

It was fairly novel right from the start:

Here's a sample game:

<

[Event "Mongredien Tourney (1868-9)"]
[Site "London ENG"]
[Date "1868.11.??"]
[Round "1"]
[White "De Vere, Cecil"]
[Black "Green, Valentine"]
[Result "0-1"]
[EventDate "1868.11.24"]
[Source "Transactions of the BCA (1868-9) - Lowenthal, Medley (1869) p87"] [FEN "


click for larger view

"]

1.d4 d5 2.c3 Nf6 3.Ng3 Ng6 4.h4 c5 5.h5 Nf4 6.dxc5 Qc7 7.e3 Ne6 8.Nf5 Qxc5 9.Nf3 Bd7 10.N3d4 Rg8 11.g4 Bc7 12.Bd2 Nxd4 13.exd4 Qb6 14.Ne3 h6 15.Bd3 e6 16.Qc2 Bb5 17.O-O-O a5 18.Rhf1 a4 19.f4 Bxd3 20.Qxd3 O-O-O 21.Kb1 Kb8 22.Rc1 Rc8 23.Be1 Ne4 24.c4 Qa6 25.Rd1 Nf6 26.c5 Qxd3+ 27.Rxd3 b5 28.b3 Kb7 29.bxa4 bxa4 30.Bh4 Ne4 31.Nc2 Ba5 32.Be1 Ra8 33.Nb4 Bxb4 34.Bxb4 Kc6 35.a3 f5 36.gxf5 exf5 37.Rg1 Nf6 38.Re3 Rae8 39.Re5 Nxh5 40.Rg6+ Nf6 41.Rxe8 Rxe8 42.Rxg7 Rg8 43.Re7 Re8 44. Ra7 Nh5 45.Ra6+ Kb7 46.Rxh6 Nxf4 47.c6+ Kc8 48.Ba5 Ne6 49.Rh7 f4 50. Ra7 Kb8 51.Rb7+ Ka8 52.Rf7 Rf8 53.Rxf8+ Nxf8 54.Kc2 Ne6 55.Bb6 Kb8 56.Kd3 Nc7 57.Ke2 Nb5 58.Kf3 Nxa3 59.Kxf4 Nc4 60.Bc5 Kc7 61.Kf5 Kxc6 62.Bb4 a3 63.Kf4 a2 0-1

>

Notice the starting position, which I left as raw FEN for <CG> to display for you.

Before you had Fischer Random, then was the Mongredien Surprise!

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Jun-24-17
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  MissScarlett: <If anyone runs SCID and is interested...>

No-one?

Jun-24-17
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  zanzibar: I semi-hate the K Kt, Q Kt notation (or even K B, Q B) used in the source for the last game.

I think Steinitz tended to use that notation too (?).

The last game was too bad, because one knight can off fairly soon.

But if you get to the endgame with two knights intact - the notation can before very hideous to follow.

Ever wonder how/why the oldsters used it?

https://images.chesscomfiles.com/up...

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Jun-24-17
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  zanzibar: http://www.correspondencechess.com/

seems to have gone offline. Is that true?

(Lots of links are now broken if it is, especially to campbell's old material)

Jun-24-17
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  Calli: correspondencechess.com/campbell/ at the internet archive https://web.archive.org/web/2016052...

I don't know how well all the links work. different dates in the "Wayback Machine" will often yield different results.

Jun-25-17
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  Chessical: Continuing my progress through matches of the 1890s I have added the hard-fought but not entirely impeccable

Game Collection: Janowski - Mieses

for your consideration.

Jun-25-17
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  jessicafischerqueen: <Chessical> Comprehensive and fascinating. Game Collection: Janowski - Mieses

Here, you mean the last 4 games, right?

<The last nine games had been decisive.>

Jun-26-17
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  zanzibar: @Chess Editors/Chess Columnists

<Chess Abroad.—A new Chess column has been started in the New York Illustrated Times. The editor thereof gives, in lieu of the customary problems, diagrams of endings from actual play. In the two first issues of the column six games have been given in this form. We offer our hearty good wishes for the success of this latest addition to the Chess press.>

CPC v5 (Apr 26, 1881) p202

Wonder who the editor was? It's not mentioned here:

http://www.chessarch.com/excavation...

* * * * *

Ah, here it is (some twenty years earlier?!)...

<

We regret to see that La Rivista degli Scacchi, the able Italian Chess magazine which Dubois has edited at Rome since the commencement of 1859, announces in one of the later numbers of last year, its termination in December. The reasons given are the present political state of Italy and the consequent uncertainty of the postal arrangements between Rome and the northern states. ...

The New York Illustrated News, a new pictorial paper, is out with a Chess column, edited by Mr. S. Loyd.

... while the excellent column in the Charleston Courier has been suspended.

>

C-M v4 (Mar 1860) p95

https://books.google.com/books?id=e...

OK, I'm still wondering who renewed the column in 1881.

<THE NEW-YORK ILLUSTRATED NEWS.

It has none of the old fogyism of other illustrated papers about it, and is ahead of them in every conceivable way.>

Vanity Fair v1(!) (1860)

https://books.google.com/books?id=p...

A little more about the <NY Illus. News>

http://www.lincolnandthecivilwar.co...

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Jun-27-17
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  zanzibar: Two players fully worthy of a portrait, which I can't find:

Martin Bier (who I'd prefer named Max)

Henry Hosmer

The latter is a strong player from Chicago who's the only one to really give Mackenzie some competition in some of the early American Chess Congress.

This player:

Henry Harding

is someone I'd like to know more about - similar to Beetlestone.

In particular, is he the early practitioner of the Alekhine Defense who lost the famous Evans Gambit to Galbreath?

Jun-27-17
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  chessgames.com: <Stonehenge: You still haven't explained this UENGO and UFRAO etc. ... how it got into the database is a mystery to me.> I'm sorry to say it's just as much of a mystery to me. Does anybody even know what they stand for?
Jun-27-17
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  zanzibar: This guy played Nuremburg (1883) and Vienna (1882) and I still can't find a photo for him:

Vincenz Hruby

Another deserving player lacking.

Jun-27-17
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  MissScarlett: <Tab>, need a run-down on James Mahood who came from pretty much nowhere (Northern Ireland, I think) to place second in the British championship in 1913: http://www.saund.co.uk/britbase/pgn...

I believe he was due to compete again in August 1914, but was called up to his army unit. He disappears after that, but it seems he survived the war physically intact.

Jun-27-17
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  zanzibar: OK, I posted over on his page, but let's explicitly ask the experts:

Edward Shirley Kennedy

Why is he here?

The original literature only references <E. S. Kennedy> afaik.

So, what reference connects the chessplayer with the alpinist?

(Even Wiki doesn't).

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Jun-27-17
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  zanzibar: Edward Shirley Kennedy (kibitz #9)
Jun-28-17
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  Tabanus: "Edward is only Kennedy in British censuses with middle name S." The chances are good, esp. if one trusts Sergeant, but I would perhaps have left the bio section blank today. Will I wipe it out?

<MissS> I'll have to look at him later. I need some days now to catch up with other things, like long dead mussels.

Jun-28-17
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  zanzibar: <Tab> I'm sorry to cause you so much work - but it would be a striking case of identification.

I've only managed to quickly scan your work - and will try to carefully examine it and perhaps (ok, likely) post some rebuttal arguments - in the interest of science.

* * * * *

At the moment I'm trying to find Leffmann's portrait, which is definitely here - but exactly where?

http://www.schachbund.de/news/berli...

I've tenatively picked #35.

Can someone tell me if the blog post has a key somewhere?

(Also note the asserted mis-identification which is identified)

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