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Premium Chessgames Member Thanks whiteshark, how on earth did that happen? Bundesliga (2008/09)
Premium Chessgames Member <SQ> pointed out internal contractions in the "new and improved" So biography. It read <"the eighth youngest player to attain the GM title in history" ... "the ninth youngest chess grandmaster in history".> To further muddy the waters, Wikipedia says he is the 10th youngest in history.

I just changed to to read <...Wesley So is a Filipino/American chess prodigy who attained the GM title in history, achieving it at the age of 14 years, 1 month and 28 days. That made him the youngest GM in the world at that time.> No reference to where that places him in the echelon on young grandmasters; no need to update that paragraph every time some youngster gets a title.

Later in the article it says this, which I did not modify: <At the age of fourteen years, one month and twenty eight days, FIDE awarded him the title of Grandmaster, making him the ninth youngest chess grandmaster. He was then ranked strongest player in the world under sixteen years old.>

That sentence is a probably correct but to me it seems a bit ambiguous. Was he the ninth youngest GM in the world at that time, or the ninth youngest GM of all time? (I am pretty sure the latter is intended, but it's not clear.)

Premium Chessgames Member Oh and by the way, I reformatted the list of achievements on the So page, although I'm not sure if I'm entirely happy with it. It's a hodgepodge of bullets () and m-dashes () and indentations created out of &nbsp;. Not my greatest work, but I still think it looks better.

And I haven't made it clear, any moratorium that might have been implied regarding So's biography is long over; we can all "have at it" just like any other biography.

Apr-24-17  MrSmith: < - bullets () and m-dashes ()>

Although I agree with those that have questioned the value of such a list in the first place, I think it looks quite good now.

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  zanzibar: MrSmith is a recent addition to <CG> - wonder who he/she is?
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  zanzibar: I mean, it's not often someone hits the Bistro on their very first day on <CG>.
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  OhioChessFan: The list is okay, but I'd prefer the Wiki method of a link to open such a list.

<...Wesley So is a Filipino/American chess prodigy who attained the GM title in history>

Huh? I already saved a bit of the bio in my forum for further updates, but you are responsible for that one? Tsk, tsk.

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  zanzibar: <<OCF> The list is okay, but I'd prefer the Wiki method of a link to open such a list.>

Agreed (to reiterate a similar past comment).

And have we implemented links in the tnography?


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  zanzibar: Well, there's some talk of tenacity - is it a virtue or a curse?

Anyways, having gone round 10**6 times, why not 10**6 + 1.

Expect another installment tomorrow then.

(And attempts to beg it off are preemptively disqualified for all our contestants.)

Apr-25-17  MrSmith: <OhioChessFan: The list is okay, but I'd prefer the Wiki method of a link to open such a list>

Excellent idea. Simple and effective.

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  offramp: How about "Wesley So is a male human being."
Apr-25-17  MrSmith: <offramp - "Wesley So is a male human being.">

Seems like an immaculate list of accomplishments to me.

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  MissScarlett: <zanzibar: Remember that <MissS> (and anyone else) is flat wrong about the PGN Site tag. >

Quit your yap, or I'll give you a slap.

Premium Chessgames Member <you are responsible for that one? Tsk, tsk.> Yes that one's on me. I was stripping out the numerical claims since they contradicted one another and accidentally forgot to scrub the words "in history". If you see something wrong, feel free to fix it.

<The list is okay, but I'd prefer the Wiki method of a link to open such a list.>

That's a very good idea; I'd like to propose we go one step further and programmatically make a way to see a "tournament history" for all events that the player was involved in.

There's already the "Notable Tournaments" section on each player page, with the most notable (i.e. best finishes) on top. It wouldn't be that hard to make a new page, a chronological list of all events the player was in, and then have a link under Notable Tournaments, <Complete Tournament History>.

("Complete" being a bit of a white lie: it would only be able to draw from Tournament Index events.)

If that were available, it would render a lot of the current biographical information redundant. Nevertheless I wouldn't advocate that we remove tournament performances in the biographies. The link feature would just be cold tables of facts. When it comes to immense performances like Linares (1994)/Anatoly Karpov or US Championship (1963/64)/Robert James Fischer there's nothing wrong with some literary embellishment.

Premium Chessgames Member <I'd like to see biogs refer to books written by their subjects. Including books by great players like Tal, and also lesser-known players (Harding etc) who have written books.>

I've long had an idea to open up an entirely new dimension to Chessgames: a table called "Media" that would include books, pamphlets, DVDs, magazines, movies, podcasts, and so forth.

That way there'd be a page for <My System> with its own kibitzing specifically used for discussing that book; and Nimzowitsch's page would link to it, and vice versa.

Not only would it be a great feature for chess fans, it could easily improve Chesgame's revenue stream, as all of the well discussed books would be available at the The Chessgames Store. A "BUY NOW" button shouldn't bother anybody.

Apr-25-17  MrSmith: <literary embellishment>

Where would we be without some literary embellishment?

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  zanzibar: <<MissS> Quit your yap, or I'll give you a slap.>

I'm quaking in me boots ducky.

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  zanzibar: I like <DomD>'s idea, and would advocate widening the purview to include editor/columnist jobs as well.
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  zanzibar: The commercialization angle is OK too, almost inevitable.
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  zanzibar: Now, I suspect <MrSmith> is a sock puppet for a multitude of obvious reasons.

I'd like to know who he/she is, at least in avatar land.

But either way, I wonder it this person would like to actually contribute, Bistro-wise.

If so, just say so, and I'm sure we could come up with an idea or two.

Unless you already have something you're working on - in which case some notice of what would be appreciated.

Apr-25-17  MrSmith: <Unless you already have something you're working on>

Working on absolutely zippo zanzi.
What do you have in mind?

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  zanzibar: Well, there was the two Munich (1909(?)) tournaments that only have a few games in the record, but involved some heavy-hitters. Most of the games are already on <CG>, but I think I found a couple more from various sources.

There's not too much known about the tournaments, in general, but I found the xtabs (crosstables) for both - which should allow a coherent presentation.

There's plenty of other tournaments in need of work - if you have a favorite period in time, or a favorite player, just pick accordingly.

The process of doing a tournament is a bit clunky - but nothing a pragmatist with a little elbow grease can't manage.

And I'm sure there more than just me willing to answer questions and otherwise help.

(E.g. - get a collection done, with a writeup, and I guarantee <OCF> will be at the ready.)

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  zanzibar: I did an experiment with the Gashimov Memorial.

First, I wrote a simple glue routine to take a Berger-sorted player list and automatically generate a stubified tournament.

(OK, you also have to past a lookup table mapping round to date, if you want to be accurate).

This is great - because I can update it in lickity-split fashion as each round comes in, using SCID's delete twins feature.

The nice thing about having a complete tournament is that the Swiss xtabs lets one see who gets paired against whom for any given round with a simple mouse-over.

As each stub is just placeholder with Result = "*", the leaderboard is unaffected - one can see the correct points as each round gets filled in.

Additionally, SCID calculates the performance ratings properly (with or without the stubs, of course). This can be a little interesting to see who's over/under-performing - and how ratings will change.

Gashimov Memorial (2017) (kibitz #237)

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  zanzibar: Well, since I think we should all care about PGN, here's a curious case:

Averbakh vs Kotov, 1953 (kibitz #100)


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  zanzibar: I'm still mulling over the PGN Site tag - but there's no rush for rehashing.

But I just found another example demonstrating how inutile some of these arguments are - almost as if Ionescu was the chess "problems" composer himself.

* * * * *

Does anybody know if the eyes peering out from behind the book are indeed batgirl's?

I mention it in passing, since batgirl has recently posted an index of her past articles - which is an item worth noting:


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