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Jun-24-16  zanzibar: Thanks for that <Nosnibor>.

I assume it's from Harding's Blackburne book then?

Jun-24-16
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  offramp: That is a good one, <Chessical:>.

<Using Chessmetrics date> data

<They had played four times > prior <to this match.>

Kashdan <had emerged as a >g G <randmaster >

<in the early 1930s> no apostrophe.

<It was unfortunate that the match coincided with the AVRO (1938) tournament (6th to the 27th of November 1938) which eclipsed it.This was largely because AVRO was exceptionally strong.>

It was unfortunate that this match was overshadowed by the exceptionally strong AVRO tournament which ran from 6th to the 27th of November 1938.

Jun-24-16  zanzibar: <Chessical>
<This was [a] match in which games had unexpected results as both players made unforced errors radically changing the flow of play.>

Also, I would have a preference to work into the narrative a statement about how the coverage is extensively based on <Chess Review> as the source, and that all of the quoted material come from its various reports.

(Of course, phrased maybe a little better than I've done.)

In fact, I would swap the above mentioned paragraph with the one preceding it and add the statement about the coverage just before giving the quote which follows.

The point is that a quote about statements of fact can be placed in the narrative, with a footnote.

But a statement like:

<Truthfully speaking, neither player has been seen to advantage. Kashdan appears to be too busy with his work to give of his best, and Horowitz has been too preoccupied with the details of his forthcoming trans-continental tour to concentrate hard enough to capitalize on his opportunities.>

should have mention of where it's comes from, explicit in the narrative, as it's more editorial/opinion.

Jun-25-16  zanzibar: <Graz (1890)> is a notable tournament which needs a good write-up.

It was one of Lasker's first tournaments facing master-level competition (he finished 3rd), after his wins at Breslau (1889 Hauptturnier) and 2nd place finish after Burn in Amsterdam (1889).

Bauer must have taken some satisfaction in drawing Lasker this time, while placing 2nd. And the unknown winner Makovetz would go on to 2nd place in Dresden (1892).

But the tournament also have the additional significance of being the origin of the phrase -

<“The winner of the game is the player who makes the next-to-last mistake”>

even though it's often attributed to Tartakower:

http://www.chess-poster.com/english...

See http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

My OL version of the quote goes like this:

<Dass derjenige gewinnt, welcher den vorletzten Fehler macht.>

* * * * *

OK, I worked pretty hard, using <CB> as the basis to get the full stubified version of the tournament - with 14 complete games and 7 stubs.

All the games have correct round/date assignments, and probably the correct color as well.

But my contribution needs some help... basically I'm asking for a more qualified bilingual speaker of English/German to help translate a few pages of a tournament report:

OL v10 (Nov 1890) p337-340

https://books.google.com/books?id=G...

It's the most complete reporting in one place of the tournament - and seems there's almost a verbatim correspondence with the more scattered DSZ coverage.

So, once again, can anybody help me in this effort?

Also, does anybody know if more than 14 games from this tournament are available?

Thx.

Jun-25-16  zanzibar: Oh, yes, if you want a quick look at the tournament, at a glance:

http://www.edochess.ca/tournaments/...

Always a good place to start (even if he has Makovetz's name wrong).

Jun-25-16  zanzibar: And for the brave:

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016...

Jun-26-16
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  MissScarlett: Are empty stubs allowed?
Jun-26-16
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  Chessical: Amended and extended Game Collection: Horowitz - Kashdan, Play-off submitted for voting.
Jun-26-16
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  MissScarlett: Regarding the PGN tag, Event Date, shouldn't it refer to the first round of the event in question, and not, if earlier, the date of the opening ceremony or play in any other events held on/at the same occasion or venue?

<The third master tournament (1) to be held in Karlsbad, Czechoslovakia was held from April 27 to May 22, 1923.> Karlsbad (1923)

In fact, all the games have [EventDate "1923.04.28"] but play began on April 30th.

Jun-26-16
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  MissScarlett: Oh wait a mo, I'm guilty of not reading closely enough. Seems Alekhine turned up late in Karlsbad, and played his round 1 game on the 30th, after round 2 on the 29th. Still, the point stands.
Jun-26-16  zanzibar: <Regarding the PGN tag, Event Date, shouldn't it refer to the first round of the event in question, and not, if earlier, the date of the opening ceremony or play in any other events held on/at the same occasion or venue?>

I've commented before about matching the EventDate up with the starting date on the tournament book - which often means matching the opening ceremony, and not R1.

It's a small point, but it should tell you when all the players should be in town (e.g. for drawing of the lots, etc.)

Jun-26-16  zanzibar: <Are empty stubs allowed?>

With, or without colors, round numbers, or dates?

I have all of 'em for <Berlin (1890)> (the tournament with the infamous Bardeleben--Lasker controversy):

<Berlin (1890)
Berlin GER, 1890.07.21 - 1890.07.27
Ti Age Nat Score 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ---
1: Bardeleben, Curt von 29 GER 3.0 / 8 X = 1 0 = 0 0 1 0 (+2 -4 =2) 2: Caro, Horatio 28 ENG 5.5 / 8 = X = 1 0 1 1 1 = (+4 -1 =3) 3: Gottschall, Hermann von 27 GER 3.0 / 8 0 = X 1 0 = 0 1 0 (+2 -4 =2) 4: Harmonist, Max 26 GER 3.0 / 8 1 0 0 X 0 0 1 1 0 (+3 -5 =0) 5: Lasker, Berthold 29 GER 6.5 / 8 = 1 1 1 X 0 1 1 1 (+6 -1 =1) 6: Lasker, Emanuel 21 GER 6.5 / 8 1 0 = 1 1 X 1 1 1 (+6 -1 =1) 7: Mieses, Jacques gm 25 GER 3.0 / 8 1 0 1 0 0 0 X 1 0 (+3 -5 =0) 8: Minckwitz, Johannes 46 GER 0.0 / 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 X 0 (+0 -8 =0) 9: Scheve, Theodor von 39 GER 5.5 / 8 1 = 1 1 0 0 1 1 X (+5 -2 =1) ---
36 games: +15 =5 -16>

Could do the Swiss too, if only <CG> formatting would accommodate.

Jun-26-16
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  MissScarlett: <With, or without colors, round numbers, or dates?>

With.

<I've commented before about matching the EventDate up with the starting date on the tournament book - which often means matching the opening ceremony, and not R1.>

OK, that means we go with Round 1.

Jun-26-16  zanzibar: <MissFP> right, it doesn't matter, if properly normalized.

You'd know this, if you were paying attention, as I've often also posted links to Harding's discussion of the tag.

http://portablegamenotation.com/Lit...

He likes using it even to elaborate on its use.

Jun-26-16
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  MissScarlett: I can't trawl through all that. What I want to say is - where is everybody? This should be a thriving community with dozens of willing and able researchers working in collaboration on numerous projects laege and small. It isn't. What have you done to this place? I'm holding you personally responsible.
Jun-26-16
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  TheFocus: <MissScarlett> <I can't trawl through all that. What I want to say is - where is everybody? This should be a thriving community with dozens of willing and able researchers working in collaboration on numerous projects laege and small. It isn't. What have you done to this place? I'm holding you personally respondible.>

Those sentiments have been expressed before. The former editors did not like their work denigrated so we bailed.

Good luck with finding all the info you need. I have one of the largest libraries here, yet I will not crack open a book to help anyone anymore.

Jun-26-16  zanzibar: Will someone open the door, the little yapper needs to make a BRexit.
Jun-26-16
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  TheFocus: What? Does the truth hurt?
Jun-26-16  zanzibar: Did I take away your editor privileges?

Didn't think so...

Jun-26-16  zanzibar: <TheFocus> is like the pure-energy creature from <Day of the Dove>...

he's sure to appear whenever there's conflict and strife...

but as far as collaboration goes -

<Good luck with finding all the info you need. I have one of the largest libraries here, yet I will not crack open a book to help anyone anymore.>

He's pure lameness.

Jun-26-16
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  TheFocus: <zanzibar> Snore.
Jun-26-16
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  MissScarlett: <
[Event "Margate"]
[Site "Margate ENG"]
[Date "1923.04.07"]
[EventDate "1923.03.31"]
[Round "7"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Alexander Alekhine"]
[Black "Eugene Ernest Colman"]
[PlyCount "0"]>

Will this suffice?

Jun-26-16
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  MissScarlett: This place needs the stamp of firm leadership. Then people like <TheFocus> will return to the ranks.
Jun-26-16
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  TheFocus: <MissScarlett> Do you want the job? Your work is good.
Jun-26-16  Retireborn: I voted for Brexit, by the way, and I LOLed when I heard that Ken Rogoff didn't like it. Sic semper tyrannis, Ken!

Just doing my bit for the gaiety of the nations in here :)

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