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Mar-01-15
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  zanzibar: Swinging by to correct another mistake of mine - the Spectator article was by David Goodman not Keene.
Mar-02-15
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  Tabanus: David Simon Charles Goodman?

<CG> Thanks. No further action necessary, it's only me who is sickly worried about TA via slips and game submissions!

Mar-02-15  Retireborn: <Tabanus> Yes, David Goodman is Ray Keene's brother-in-law, and occasionally stood in for him on The Spectator column; I was a regular Spectator reader in the 80s and 90s.
Mar-02-15
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Tab> I'm sickly worried about it too.

I still think that we should have editor transparency on any correction slips that affect Tournament Index games, and that the Bistro have a chance to evaluate the slip before it's processed.

I don't see a downside to this idea.

Mar-02-15
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  Tabanus: <I wonder if the "Edit standings" feature can make it <look like> the non-played games are in the database, even if they are not? So that the CG table would show 4,5/15 even if he played only 11 games?> The answer is yes, I've checked it out. And similarly his 4 opponents can be given one game extra. So I guess it's not necessary to include Balashov's 4 unplayed but counting games in the db.

<Jess> Yes we should. CG, please? I have promotion hunger.

Mar-02-15
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  Stonehenge: Should this Mepisto Vancover be merged with Mephisto (Computer)? Or do we need a new page for Mephisto Vancouver?
Mar-02-15
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  whiteshark: <Stonehenge> "<Mephisto was a family of dedicated chess computers>, produced and traded by Hegener & Glaser since 1980...." https://chessprogramming.wikispaces...

Looking at the 15 year period of time of Mephisto (Computer) I'd suggest to incorporate the single Mephisto Vancouver game.

Otherwise you have to re-arrange/re-name all the other 56 Mephisto games according to/with the help of this list: https://chessprogramming.wikispaces...

Mar-02-15
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  Stonehenge: <whiteshark>

Yes, that makes perfect sense. I'll submit a correction slip.

Mar-02-15
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  zanzibar: <Tab> from what I can see,

Game Collection: Biel Interzonal 1985

is a collection by User: suenteus po 147 that could almost be promoted as is.

It needs a little tweaking... and of course double-checking (x-raying).

There is the question of properly separating the 4th place tiebreak playoff games, whose dates I determined to be from 1985-07-29 to 1985-08-09:

<Jacques v180 (Aug 1985), p455>

Determining the actual specific dates of all rounds is much more difficult - but we have reliable brackets for both the main tournament and the playoffs.

Let's vote it in and normalize the games, and then, if necessary, schedule an upgrade for the write-up later.

(It looks pretty good, and doesn't need much, imo. This izt lacks the "drama/complications" of some of the others)

Mar-02-15
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  zanzibar: <Tab> By the way, on the abbrev thing, no it doesn't matter. I like terseness, so I'll use SB or maybe S-B when I'm feeling a tad on the loquacious side of the dial.

<Jacque>, fwiw, uses <Sonnen.>

Biel 1985 - GM norm 10.5, IM 7

The issue referred to above also has a rather hilarious photograph of Short and Seirawan, with Short looking unbelievably young. Maybe I should post it on my blog.

Mar-02-15
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  Tabanus: <zanzibar> Why ask me? I'm working on Taxco now and after that I'll consider what to do next.

Btw much of the Biel 1985 intro can be found word by word other places: https://www.google.no/webhp?sourcei..., perhaps all are copied from CG.

Mar-02-15
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  MissScarlett: <I could research the very old records to try to determine who sent in the errant game but it hardly seems worth the effort to perform such archeology.>

It would be worthwhile finding out who submitted the games masquerading as <Krakow 1938>.

Mar-03-15  rayoflight: Hi. In 1960s and 1970s a chess player had to tip over his king to resign or just had to offer a hand shake? Tx.
Mar-03-15
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  Tabanus: Hi <zanzibar> don't be discouraged. I can do Biel and the playoff after Taxco, if it's OK with you.

<Benzol> I'd like to add a few more facts to Montpellier Candidates (1985) also if you agree.

Mar-03-15
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  Benzol: <Tabanus> By all means. Go for it.

:)

Mar-03-15
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  Tabanus: <Benzol> Thanks. It may take weeks (as I like to do one tournament at a time), will notify you when it's done!
Mar-03-15
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  Tabanus: Hmm, four players qualified from the Montpellier Candidates (1985) into two matches, called "Semifinals" in TfS. Then the Sokolov - Vaganian match would be the "Candidates final" and the Karpov - Sokolov Candidates Final (1987) the "Candidates Superfinal". But I guess that's too much for most people :)
Mar-03-15
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  zanzibar: <Tabanus: <zanzibar> Why ask me? I'm working on Taxco now and after that I'll consider what to do next.>

After you posted this:

Biographer Bistro (kibitz #9713)

I thought you might be coordinating the proceedings.

Anyways, you have the following list in your profile:

<<Interzonals>

Moscow 1982 <WCCEP> is working on it

Tunis 1985 <zanzibar>

Taxco 1985 <Tabanus>

Biel 1985

Zagreb 1987 <zanzibar>

Szirak 1987 <zanzibar>

Subotica 1987 <zanzibar>

Manila 1990 <thomastonk> was working on it but he disappeared

Biel 1993 <zanzibar>

Groningen PCA 1993 <zanzibar>>

Only <Biel (1985)> is missing a name.

Looking at <sp>'s version, reveals a huge amount of the work has already been done.

All the games have round numbers.

And his write-up/intro looks pretty solid (maybe in need of a final editing pass, but not much more).

I just thought you should add his name given the work he's already done on it.

OK, that's why.

Mar-03-15
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  zanzibar: <Hi <zanzibar> don't be discouraged. I can do Biel and the playoff after Taxco, if it's OK with you.>

No, I'm not discouraged. No more than at any other time since I started this business.

Actually, I'm rather encouraged, I finally think my tools are up to snuff for all this rough stuff on <CG>.

Anyways, I started looking a little at <Biel (1985)> mainly as a test-bed for the latest addition to my arsenal of tools, not realizing how much <sp> had done till I did a prototype pass on it.

I'd be happy to just post my working notes and leave it(*).

My main interest was in getting the process of normalizing the games in a tournament. I can finally work around the limitations of <CG>.

But I still want to just be able to submit a correction tournament PGN to <CG>.

Maybe I will, forever.

* * * * *

(*) Have we the ability to reassign a collection from one user to another yet?

Mar-03-15
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  zanzibar: <RE: Biel (1985)>

I just want to finish the PGN data for the tournament, and have tried to use Delpher for the round dates.

I think this is close, but it's almost certainly wrong:

<
Biel 1985

July 1985
Su Mo Tu We Th Fr Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31

R1 Mon 7/1
R2 Tue 7/2 (7/3*)
R3 Wed 7/3
Thu 7/4 (adjournments? 7/5)
R4 Fri
R5 Sat 7/6 (7/8*)
Sun 7/7
R6 Mon 7/8 (adj, 7/9 reports 6th results)
Tue 7/9
R7 Wed 7/10 (7/11*)
R8 Thu 7/11 (7/12*)
R9 Fri 7/12
Sat 7/13
R10 Mon 7/14
R11 Tue 7/15 (7/16*)
R12 Wed 7/16 (7/17*)
Thu 7/17
R13 Fri 7/18
R14 Sat 7/19
Sun 7/20
R15 Mon 7/21 (7/22*)
R16 Tue 7/22 (7/25*)
Wed 7/23 (last day of rest *)
R17 Thu 7/24
Fri 7/25
Sat 7/26 (report R17)

Apologies for the formatting, but what can you do? (If requested, I'll post it)

Mar-03-15
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  Tabanus: <z> Ok, I see. <I just thought you should add his name given the work he's already done on it.> Yes, but he's not working on it for promotion right now. In the TI tournaments, his name is always mentioned (by me earlier) as "Original collection: xxx by sp1".
Mar-03-15
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  Tabanus: <zanzibar> Great job on the tournaments. You are the future of chess book-keeping! I'll try to include a "Thanks to User: zanzibar for x-raying" or something like that :) But I was hoping you would write the intro also for some of them. Or at least one, pretty please?
Mar-03-15
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  jessicafischerqueen:

A <zanzibar> audiovisual aid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g3...

Mar-03-15
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  zanzibar: <Tab>, <Jess> thanks.

I think I'm still intending on doing the intros of the 1987 izt, and the later Biel (?).

Due to the sad news about A. Artidiello:

chessgames.com chessforum (kibitz #22029)

I think it best to delay some of the discussion of <CG> issues for at least a few days.

There's plenty of regular biographical work to do.

Mar-04-15
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  Tabanus: I've decided to lift the embargo. Probably CG has replied as much as they can (on the issue of safe-keeping TI games and other games), here and in their forum.

Henceforthwith: there's a match up for Game Collection Voting!

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