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Oct-16-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Annie> Yes I agree. In my opinion I think we have enough information to fold Bokuchava in to Aleksander Mironovich Bokuchava.

Oct-16-19
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  Annie K.: ...and Abram Yakolevich Roizman should be Yakovlevich. ok :)
Oct-16-19
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  Tabanus: http://dspace.nplg.gov.ge/bitstream..., if that helps. Which I doubt.
Oct-16-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

Awesome <Annie>!

I filled in the Event/Site tags for these two games now:

A Bokuchava vs A Shmit, 1974

A Shmit vs A Bokuchava, 1974

Oct-16-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Tab> Well I can only speak for myself, but it certainly helped me. In particular that photo of the lad without his shirt. Is that in Hindi? Or is it a USSR regional language that uses an alphabet that looks similar to Hindi? I can see some chess problem diagrams there but all the other pictures appear to be volleyball or horse jumping.

What is the name of that journal? Is there secret information on there amirite.

Oct-16-19
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  Tabanus: <jess> I obtained this secret info by having Google translate "chess Bokuchava 1974" into Georgian. Then search for ჭადრაკი ბოკუჩავა 1974 and find the pdf. Then in http://dspace.nplg.gov.ge, search for ჭადრაკი ბოკუჩავა and voila, two photos of Bokuchava :)
Oct-17-19
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  Tabanus: It's been called source plundering.
Oct-18-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Annie>

Might you help out with this here? WS Saigin vs J Vistaneckis, 1968

I had already submitted a correction slip for this game, but <hemy> just alertly pointed out that there are more mistakes in it than I included in my slip. I am hoping you might be able to fix everything at one go, since it's a little complicated for one correction slip.

If you look at the kibbutzing for the game, you can see the whole story.

Here is how the pgn should look once it is fully corrected- there are mistakes with the spelling of Isakas Vistaneckis and with the game notation. I fixed the spelling and I ran the score through my Chess Engine and copy pasted a corrected score:

[Event "Corr European Team Cup"]
[Site "corr E-Wilhelm-C."]
[Date "1968.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "WS Saigin"]
[Black "Isakas Vistaneckis"]
[ECO "E53"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "46"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 O-O 5. Nf3 d5 6. Bd3 c5 7. O-O Nbd7 8. a3 Ba5 9. Bd2 a6 10. Ne5 Bb6 11. cxd5 cxd4 12. exd4 Bxd4 13. Nxf7 Rxf7 14. dxe6 Rf8 15. exd7 Bxd7 16. Ne2 Ba7 17. h3 Bc6 18. Bc4+ Kh8 19. Ng3 Qc7 20. Qb3 Ng4 21. hxg4 Rf3 22. Nf5 Rxb3 23. Bxb3 Qb6 0-1

Oct-18-19
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  Annie K.: <Jess> no problem. :)
Oct-18-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Annie> Amazing thank you! You even kept the kibbutzes intact. I had saved them just in case. I wasn't sure if they would be transferred over.

V Saigin vs I Vistaneckis, 1968

Oct-19-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Annie, whiteshark, hemy, Steamed Colleagues>

Per this old discussion on Karl Behting :

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<whiteshark> and I have found a couple of new "Behting family" games that are relevant to this topic.

I think that we should harmonize the spelling of the three chess playing <Behting brothers> to the Germanic form. In early Latvian journals, notably the <Rigasche Rundschau>, the Germanic spelling is normally used for all three, which was typical for late 19th - early 20th century Latvian players of German descent.

=============

At the present moment, these are the spellings we have at cg.com:

Karl Behting Karl Behting

Robert Behting Robert Betins

Johan Behting <player page to come- once we decide on this issue I will upload one of his games>.

The Latvian spellings would be <Karlis Betins, Roberts Betins, Janis Betins>

===

I think we should keep <Karl Behting> as is, change <Robert Betins> to <Robert Behting>, and use <Johan Behting> for the third brother.

I have a game ready to upload between <Johan Behting> and his brother <Robert Behting>, and I would prefer to upload it with the Germanic spellings: http://www.periodika.lv/periodika2-...

Oct-19-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

Here is a pgn that <whiteshark> has prepared, but not yet submitted, for a game between <Karl and Robert Behting>:

[Event "First Baltic Chess Congress- Major"]
[Site "Riga LAT"]
[Date "1899.04.14"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Behting, Robert"]
[Black "Behting, Karl"]
[ECO "C80"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Source "Baltische Schachblätter #7, p.428-429"]

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0–0 Nxe4 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.Nxe5 Be7 8.d3 Nf6 9.Nc3 0–0 10.Bf4 Nd5 11.Nxd5 cxd5 12.d4 Bf5 13.g4 Bc8 14.f3 f6 15.Nd3 f5 16.gxf5 Bxf5 17.Be5 Bh3 18.Rf2 Bh4 19.Rd2 Qg5+ 20.Kh1 Qe3 21.f4 Bf5 22.Rg2 Be4 23.Qg4 Bxg2+ 24.Qxg2 Rf7 25.Qxd5 c6 26.Qg2 Re8 27.Rf1 Re6 28.Rf3 Qe4 29.Nc5 Qe1+ 30.Rf1 Rg6 31.Qf3 Qa5 32.a3 Qd8 33.c4 Qc8 34.Ne4 Qd7 35.d5 cxd5 36.cxd5 Bf6 37.Bxf6 gxf6 38.f5 Rh6 39.Qg3+ Rg7 40.Qb8+ Kf7 41.Nd6+ 1–0

Karl Behting (kibitz #24)

Oct-20-19
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  Chessdreamer: Regarding a pgn of the game Behting - Behting, please note that Castle should use the letter O rather than the digit 0.
Oct-20-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Chessdreamer> the numerical digit 0 is fine for upload to Olga.

I've never tried the letter O before. Are you sure you don't have that reversed?

Since you are here, I can't thank you enough for your past notices and "Olga chokes on it" game collection, which alerted me to the necessity to check all my submitted game scores through my chess engine before submitting them.

Oct-20-19
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  Chessdreamer: <jessicafischerqueen> Better to ask Annie about this, but yes, I am sure Castling should really be indicated with the capital letter O (O-O or O-O-O), not with the numerical digit 0 (0-0 or 0-0-0). I think the submitted games has fixed when necessary.
Oct-20-19
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  Annie K.: <Jess> I remember that discussion - Robert Behting it is.

<Chessdreamer> that's right, our pgn works with the capital letter O in the castling symbols, not the numeral 0.

I have been working on the "Olga chokes on it" game collection on and off as my time allows (it's tedious work, as these games usually have at least 2-3 choke points, not just one) - and I really appreciate your work on creating and maintaining this collection. :)

Oct-20-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

Thank you <Annie>!

I'm Behting that <whiteshark> may be pleased by this news as well...

<Chessdreamer>, <Annie> 0k I'm happy t0 kn0w the c0rrect castling n0tati0n.

That said, I have never once used it and hundreds of my submissions have gone through the "Olga gate" without any problem.

Except... <Annie> please tell me you have not been manually correcting hundreds of my pgn submissions, every one of which has had 0-0 for castling?

I certainly hope not.

If not, then 0-0 "numerical" castling does indeed go through.

##################

<Annie> if you copy a faulty pgn- even one with numerous different choke points- into <Shredder III> chess engine, then copy/paste it from the engine on to Note pad, every choke point will automatically have been corrected eh? You don't even need to "look" for the choke points with human eyes. The Shredder silicon eyes will do the looking for you.

At any rate, that's what I do and it only takes a few seconds to "auto-correct" each pgn that way.

Oct-20-19
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  jessicafischerqueen:

<Annie>

Ack I just did a test and here is what actually has been happening.

My <Shredder III> chess engine has been fixing my castling notation. I always type it in 0-0 but now looking at the actual pgns I produce with my Shredder, the castling notation has been changed to O-O.

*face palm*

Oct-20-19
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  Annie K.: <Jess> no, your Shredder has been correcting the 0-0s into O-Os, so they arrived here correctly, and you never even noticed - just as you were saying. :)

I may have to set up one of these engines on my computer sometime. ;p Meanwhile it probably still takes me less time to just look at the pgn and see how far it plays out before choking again, than to even open a heavy program like that.

Oct-20-19
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  Annie K.: Heh - ok, turns out even my dear prehistoric free WinBoard will correct the pgn automatically if I ask nicely. :)
Oct-20-19
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  whiteshark: So my Fritz / chessbase is causing all the 'castles' troubles?

(The other explanation would be that I copied the cbv-file first into a Word file and only then to chessgames - and maybe the mistake took there its beginning) ... hmm

Oct-20-19
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  Annie K.: <whiteshark> I dunno, but in any case, please don't ever use Word for anything you intend to upload - use Notepad. :)
Oct-21-19
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  Tabanus: <Annie> V Malakhov vs Y R Yakovich, 2003 has ended up in RUS Ch 2002 instead of 2003, even if it's dated to 2003.

By hand, you said? :)

Oct-21-19
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  Annie K.: Oops. A couple of your submissions were rejected for already being in the database. Since I don't like to override games that have been here for years, I just noted which ones were rejected and then looked up the old games and manually assigned them over to the current main tournament page. Didn't notice this one belonged to a different year. Sorted out now. :)
Oct-21-19
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  Tabanus: Thanks Annie. I should not submit games that are already in but they are hard to find sometimes. The Russian Championship (2002) is with rd. 9 games included now but I have very little other info. The six Stanislav Savchenko games are by Boris Savchenko, who had 4.5/9. I'll stop here for now with the RUS Ch's.
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