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May-22-16  zanzibar: RE: <1880's tournament scheduling>

This is why play on a Holy day, and no play on a hole day, really stood out to me...

Let's start here with Nuremberg.

(date, games, day of week, rounds)

<Nuremberg (1883)>

<
Date report:

1883.07.16: 18 Mon R-1,2
1883.07.17: 9 Tue R-3
1883.07.18: 18 Wed R-4,5
1883.07.19: 9 Thu R-6
1883.07.20: 18 Fri R-7,8
1883.07.21: 9 Sat R-9
1883.07.23: 18 Mon R-10,11
1883.07.24: 9 Tue R-12
1883.07.25: 18 Wed R-13,14
1883.07.26: 9 Thu R-15
1883.07.27: 18 Fri R-16,17
1883.07.28: 9 Sat R-18
1883.07.30: 9 Mon R-19
>

<Hereford (1885)>

<
Date report:

1885.08.04: 10 Tue R-1,2
1885.08.05: 5 Wed R-3
1885.08.06: 10 Thu R-4,5
1885.08.07: 5 Fri R-6
1885.08.08: 5 Sat R-7
1885.08.10: 5 Mon R-8
1885.08.11: 10 Tue R-10,9
1885.08.12: 5 Wed R-11
>

<London (1883) - BCA Congress>

<
Date report:

1886.07.12: 6 Mon R-1
1886.07.13: 6 Tue R-2
1886.07.14: 6 Wed R-3
1886.07.15: 6 Thu R-4
1886.07.16: 6 Fri R-5
1886.07.17: 6 Sat R-6
1886.07.19: 6 Mon R-7
1886.07.20: 6 Tue R-8
1886.07.21: 6 Wed R-9
1886.07.22: 6 Thu R-10
1886.07.23: 6 Fri R-11
1886.07.26: 6 Mon R-12
1886.07.27: 6 Tue R-13
>

<Frankfort (1887)>

<Date report:

1887.07.18: 20 Mon R-1,2
1887.07.19: 10 Tue R-3
1887.07.20: 20 Wed R-4,5
1887.07.21: 10 Thu R-6
1887.07.22: 20 Fri R-7,8
1887.07.23: 10 Sat R-9
1887.07.25: 20 Mon R-10,11
1887.07.26: 10 Tue R-12
1887.07.27: 20 Wed R-13,14
1887.07.28: 10 Thu R-15
1887.07.29: 20 Fri R-16,17
1887.07.30: 10 Sat R-18
1887.08.01: 20 Mon R-19,20
1887.08.02: 10 Tue R-21
>

<Bradford (1888)>

< 1888.08.05: 9 Sun R-6 1888.08.06: 8 Mon R-1
1888.08.07: 18 Tue R-2,3
1888.08.08: 9 Wed R-4
1888.08.09: 9 Thu R-5
1888.08.10: 8 Fri R-7
1888.08.11: 16 Sat R-8,9
1888.08.13: 8 Mon R-10
1888.08.14: 16 Tue R-11,12
1888.08.15: 8 Wed R-13
1888.08.16: 8 Thu R-14
1888.08.17: 16 Fri R-15,16
1888.08.18: 8 Sat R-17
1888.08.20: 1 Mon R--
>

It looks like this one needs some review!

[New York postponed to next post, else too long]

<Breslau (1889)>

<
Date report:

1889.07.15: 18 Mon R-1,2
1889.07.16: 9 Tue R-3
1889.07.17: 18 Wed R-4,5
1889.07.18: 9 Thu R-6
1889.07.19: 18 Fri R-7,8
1889.07.20: 9 Sat R-9
1889.07.22: 18 Mon R-10,11
1889.07.23: 9 Tue R-12
1889.07.24: 18 Wed R-13,14
1889.07.25: 9 Thu R-15
1889.07.26: 18 Fri R-16,17
>

It appears that Bradford is a bit odd, and needs review. But the overall trends, especially for the Continential German-style tournaments is clear.

May-22-16  zanzibar: As promised...

<New York (1889)>

<

Date report:

1889.03.25: 10 Mon R-1.1
1889.03.26: 10 Tue R-2.1
1889.03.27: 10 Wed R-3.1
1889.03.28: 10 Thu R-4.1
1889.03.29: 10 Fri R-5.1
1889.03.30: 10 Sat R-6.1
1889.04.01: 10 Mon R-7.1
1889.04.02: 10 Tue R-8.1
1889.04.03: 10 Wed R-9.1
1889.04.04: 10 Thu R-10.1
1889.04.05: 10 Fri R-11.1
1889.04.06: 10 Sat R-12.1
1889.04.08: 10 Mon R-13.1
1889.04.09: 10 Tue R-14.1
1889.04.10: 10 Wed R-15.1
1889.04.11: 10 Thu R-16.1
1889.04.12: 10 Fri R-17.1
1889.04.13: 10 Sat R-18.1
1889.04.15: 10 Mon R-19.1
1889.04.18: 10 Thu R-20.1
1889.04.19: 10 Fri R-21.1
1889.04.20: 10 Sat R-22.1
1889.04.22: 10 Mon R-23.1
1889.04.23: 10 Tue R-24.1
1889.04.24: 10 Wed R-25.1
1889.04.25: 8 Thu R-20.2,22.2,23.2,25.2
1889.04.26: 10 Fri R-26.1
1889.04.27: 10 Sat R-27.1
1889.04.29: 10 Mon R-28.1
1889.05.02: 6 Thu R-21.2,24.2
1889.05.03: 10 Fri R-29.1
1889.05.04: 10 Sat R-30.1
1889.05.06: 10 Mon R-31.1
1889.05.07: 10 Tue R-32.1
1889.05.08: 10 Wed R-33.1
1889.05.09: 8 Thu R-24.2,25.2,28.2,29.2,30.2,31.2,32.2 1889.05.10: 10 Fri R-34.1
1889.05.11: 10 Sat R-35.1
1889.05.13: 10 Mon R-36.1
1889.05.14: 10 Tue R-37.1
1889.05.15: 10 Wed R-38.1
1889.05.16: 7 Thu R-25.2,26.2,28.2,29.2,30.2 1889.05.17: 6 Fri R-29.2,33.2,35.2,38.2
1889.05.18: 6 Sat R-32.2,33.2,34.2,35.2,36.2,37.2 1889.05.20: 4 Mon R-32.2,34.2,38.2
1889.05.21: 3 Tue R-34.2,36.2,38.2
1889.05.22: 1 Wed R-1
1889.05.23: 1 Thu R-2
1889.05.24: 1 Fri R-3
1889.05.27: 1 Mon R-4
>

May-22-16  zanzibar: BTW- this stuff is a little easier to read if the spaces aren't stripped out.
May-22-16  zanzibar: OK, I mixed in a Consultation game, and also used a 5pm round start as a date.

Fixing that up gives a more reasonable schedule.

<Bradford (1888)>

<

Date report:

1888.08.06: 8 Mon R-1
1888.08.07: 16 Tue R-2,3
1888.08.08: 8 Wed R-4
1888.08.09: 16 Thu R-5,6
1888.08.10: 8 Fri R-7
1888.08.11: 16 Sat R-8,9
1888.08.13: 8 Mon R-10
1888.08.14: 16 Tue R-11,12
1888.08.15: 8 Wed R-13
1888.08.16: 8 Thu R-14
1888.08.17: 16 Fri R-15,16
1888.08.18: 8 Sat R-17

>

The 2+1 accelerated schedule seems to have been all the rage, back in the day.

May-22-16  zanzibar: * London (1883) = London (1886) -- a few posts ago.
May-22-16  zanzibar: <Amsterdam (1889)> TB in attractive new packaging... new look, same great taste!

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016...

May-22-16  zanzibar: <Amsterdam (1889)> working notes:

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016...

Includes TB + BCM coverage + a couple of Dutch newspaper articles + notes

May-22-16  zanzibar: <Amsterdam (1889)> - 365 vs CG comparison

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016...

Free car-wash with every fill-up!

May-23-16  zanzibar: Might be time to move on...

Anyways, here's the first look summary for

<Amsterdam (1889)>

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016...

May-23-16  zanzibar: I'm calling out the <CG> editors...

Sure, <CG> needs to pick up their game too, but what about these orphans?

<CG> biographers might be a little too chiquish if work like this:

Game Collection: Manchester 1890

or this:

Game Collection: New York 1893, The Impromtu Tournament

go neglected and un-promoted.

* * * * *

And what's the deal here?

Arthur Hermann Privonitz

gets a full court press treatment, and a beautiful full spread photo, whereas this other pretty boy:

Klaus Junge

gets two minimal paragraphs and no photo, despite repeated attempts/submissions/requests (and not just by me).

One might think <CG> doesn't like Nazis, with or without uniform.

And how about this player:

Ellen E Strong Gilbert

another photo MIA, even if the write-up and links are good.

* * * * *

It's not really that I mind <Privonitz>'s in-depth treatment; I understand the allure of doing such research, and appreciate recognizing minor players as well.

(Although, if pressed, I would say I share <MissS>'s sentiment about the proportionality).

But to fast-lane express his treatment, and utterly neglect a player of Junge's caliber, or Strong's, seems amiss to me.

.

May-23-16  zanzibar: And indeed, <CG> must recognize that a good job might extend beyond the narrow confines self-imposed.

http://www.rookhouse.com/manchester...

Is a beautiful treatment - and so <CG> should provide a "first look" treatment and link to the above for the details.

We all acknowledge the scope of the task - which means we should leverage and benefit from others work when already done.

And not reinvent the wheel.

.

May-23-16  zanzibar: So, what happened?

Biographer Bistro (kibitz #7512)

With <OCF> suggestions soon to follow.

Usually, once <OCF> chimes in you're on the glide path of the final approach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final...(aeronautics)

May-23-16  zanzibar: So, we have this:

Biographer Bistro (kibitz #7536)

and this

Biographer Bistro (kibitz #7538)

I'll note that <WCC>, <Tab>, and <OCF> have all apparently decided that working on <CG> tournament is now a waste of time.

And that <Rookhouse>'s work and contributions have apparently never been promoted and instead remain neglected.

Reading back over the entire treatment is an interesting exercise in recent history.

I suppose I was naive and unaware of the dynamics at the time, but somehow I feel in the same situation as <rookhouse>, and sympathize.

<CG> needs to utilize, and value, the contributions from a great variety of sources.

.

May-23-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: <zanzy: And that <Rookhouse>'s work and contributions have apparently never been promoted and instead remain neglected.>

I think he never nominated.

<<CG> needs to utilize, and value, the contributions from a great variety of sources.>

I am sitting here thinking that you should know better than almost anyone that is the problem.

May-23-16  zanzibar: <OCF> <I am sitting here thinking that you should know better than almost anyone that is the problem.>

Yeah, you're right. I do.

May-24-16  zanzibar: A review of Harding's <Eminent Victorian Chess Players> worth a quick read:

http://www.kingpinchess.net/2013/03...

May-24-16  zanzibar: Trying to start work on <Manchester (1890)>.

I notice that <rookfile>'s <CG> collection has 98 games:

Game Collection: Manchester 1890

whereas his blog(?) page has 99 games, or so I think:

http://www.rookhouse.com/manchester...

<Rookhouse> are you around??

Are all the games the same as on <CG>? And what about the extra one?

(I should be able to figure out which one it is in a little bit)

* * * * *

<365> is in very poor shape:

http://www.365chess.com/tournaments...

Only 12 games?!

Even <MillBase> does better with 30.

I think <CG> probably already owes <rookhouse> a thanks - likely his submissions being responsible for the additional coverage.

(I could be wrong - but that's my hunch).

* * * * *

Anybody have Gillam's book on the tournament? How many complete games does he have?

I know Harding lists quite a bit of missing info about the missing Blackburne games from the tournament. Without access to these additional sources I will be hard pressed to do much better than what we already have (+ stubs of course, I can be sure to get the xtab out).

* * * * *

BTW- it looks like <CB> online only has 40 games. Anybody able to collaborate that? What about NIC?

May-24-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tabanus: <zanzibar: I'm calling out the <CG> editors...>

You can call out yourself, pick an event and do it properly, stop filling the Bistro with complaints, or shut the @#$% up.

May-24-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Pawn and Two: <zanzibar> Regarding <Manchester (1890)>, Gillam's tournament book, if I have counted correctly, has 111 complete games, plus several game fragments.
May-24-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  MissScarlett: I believe the parish in the bio of John Owen is spelt Hooton.
May-24-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  rookhouse: <Pawn and Two: <zanzibar> Regarding <Manchester (1890)>, Gillam's tournament book, if I have counted correctly, has 111 complete games, plus several game fragments.>

I submitted the 98 games in this collection to CG that I had in my personal database, they were not retrieved from the Gillam book (which I do not own). I was working on a booklet for this before Tony came out with his book, which is why I had so many of the games myself.

<zanzibar: I'm calling out the <CG> editors...

Sure, <CG> needs to pick up their game too, but what about these orphans?

<CG> biographers might be a little too chiquish if work like this:

Game Collection: Manchester 1890>

I see that CG has corrected the anomaly on the 1900 game date, so I will properly submit my summary and nominate tomorrow.

May-25-16  zanzibar: <rookhouse> that's great.

It looks like a fine job, and I definitely admire your tenacity.

I'm researching <Manchester (1890)> now, and will hopefully post a few notes in the upcoming days.

May-25-16  zanzibar: <Pawn and Two: ... Regarding <Manchester (1890)>, Gillam's tournament book, if I have counted correctly, has 111 complete games, plus several game fragments.>

That's good to know. I'm in the process of scouring the literature for games/research notes - and will hopefully have some insights to add.

Right now I'm processing BCM v10 (and v11).

Stay tuned.

May-25-16  zanzibar: <You can call out yourself, pick an event and do it properly, stop filling the Bistro with complaints, or shut the @#$% up.>

And a fine afternoon in Weisbaden to you too.

But yes, I invited some fire.

It's like AA - the first step is to admit there's a problem.

.

May-25-16  zanzibar: <Pawn and Two>/<rookfile>

I've located the full schedule for <Manchester (1890)> in C-M v12 p34

http://hdl.handle.net/2027/nyp.3343...

That means I get do make accurate stubs for all the missing games, including colors, results, dates, and a little info on openings.

(See link, starting on p35)

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