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|Nov-25-16|| ||Tabanus: Marcos Luckis text is edited, and hopefully it is readable. An amazing job by <hemy>. The order of the tournaments is not strictly chronological, but I decided that the "footnote renumbering" would be too much. I leave the rest to native nitpickers. Now I demand a picture, as my payment.|
|Nov-25-16|| ||Chessical: Game Collection: Frankfurt am Main 1887 has been submitted for voting.|
I invite any suggestions for improvements to the text.
|Nov-25-16|| ||Tabanus: <Chessical> I like to see the round dates added to the game headers (1st game each round), say |
"Round Six, 21 July - Weiss had the bye."
|Nov-25-16|| ||TheFocus: <Tabanus: Marcos Luckis text is edited, and hopefully it is readable. An amazing job by <hemy>.>|
|Nov-25-16|| ||hemy: <chessgames.com>The bio of Marcos Luckis is missing his photo. |
It can be chosen and downloaded from my dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pox95ccc...
|Nov-27-16|| ||Tabanus: Chessical's Game Collection: Frankfurt am Main 1887 was the 5th DSB congress/Kongress. Now we have the TI names|
1st DSB Kongress, Leipzig (1879)
2nd DSB Kongress, Berlin (1881)
3rd DSB Kongress, Nuremberg (1883)
4th DSB Kongress, Hamburg (1885)
6th DSB Kongress, Breslau (1889)
8th DSB Kongress (1893), in Kiel
9th DSB Kongress, Leipzig (1894)
11th DSB Kongress, Cologne (1898)
12th DSB congress, Munich (1900)
13th DSB Kongress (Hanover) (1902)
14th DSB Kongress, Coburg (Meisterturnier) (1904)
15th DSB Kongress (Nuremberg) (1906)
16th DSB Kongress, Duesseldorf (1908)
17th DSB Kongress, Hamburg (1910)
18th DSB Kongress (1912), in Breslau
19th DSB Kongress, Mannheim (1914)
24th DSB Kongress, Breslau (1925)
Do we want a standard? And if so, which one?
|Nov-27-16|| ||Chessical: <Tabanus> The collection submission page states that the location should be the primary identifier.|
|Nov-27-16|| ||Tabanus: We just agreed on "Baku Olympiad" without number. So the 47th US Open (1946) should be "Pittsburgh (1946)"? Or "Pittsburgh US Open (1946)"?|
Hmm, perhaps "Frankfurt am Main DSB Kongress (1887)"?
|Nov-27-16|| ||MissScarlett: <We just agreed on "Baku Olympiad" without number>|
Did we? First things first, I think we should agree on whether capitalisation of every Event term should should be requisite, e.g., Exhbition Game in place of Exhibition game.
|Nov-28-16|| ||OhioChessFan: Per Frankfurt, this is confusing:
<Frankfurt’s assemblage of leading masters was not equalled until Nuremberg (1896) and then only surpassed in 1895 by Hastings (1895) (5). >
Are those years correct? If so, it was surpassed before it was equalled, which makes the equalled comment really pointless.
|Nov-28-16|| ||Tabanus: <MissScarlett> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capit... has information on capitalization. On alphabet, I vote for the Latin alphabet. But read this first:|
|Nov-28-16|| ||Chessical: <OhioChessFan> I have corrected the sentence, after several edits I had not realised that it had become jumbled.|
|Nov-28-16|| ||OhioChessFan: <and a "Free tournaments" for "for participants in the major and minor tournaments". >|
If it was called a "Free tournaments" that's fine, but was the word really in the plural form?
<A special prize "for the most beautiful game" of £5, donated by Mr. Frederic Hyman Lewis in London. >
Is that number correct? If so, what a cheapskate, and I'm surprised the tournament would accept it.
|Nov-28-16|| ||OhioChessFan: The crosstable with the last name initials across the top is a little sloppy looking, at least on my monitor. Likewise, the progressive score table. If that can't be helped, fine, it's better to have it than not.|
The missing games table is a little sloppy, and I think would be improved by using "1/2" instead of "1/2-1/2".
<This collection was complied>
|Nov-28-16|| ||Chessical: <OhioChessFan> Based on purchasing power, the relative value of £5 in 1883 is £454.20/$565 today.|
I have corrected the further typos you identified. I have viewed the tables an Android tablet and using Chrome on Windows and they seem to be in alignment.
|Dec-01-16|| ||Tabanus: <Chessical> Note 30, is "pp. 21-214" correct?|
Note 26 has <Source "Harding - Blackburn G-522, p. 247. / "The Field" 1887.08.06 / "Graham G-228">, which I don't understand.
|Dec-01-16|| ||zanzibar: <Tab> I think the notation is fairly standard for those familiar with Blackburne's games...|
* * * <Harding - Blackburn (sic?) G-522, p. 247>
Game #522 from Hardings definitive work, p247.
Which probably cited the following two sources:
* * * <"The Field" 1887.08.06>
The esteemed London weekly of the era -
https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016... (about 1/3 way down - I think Steinitz was editor at the time)
* * * <Graham G-228>
Is Graham's book, which is somewhat of an autobiography of Blackburne (leastwise, of his games):
Pick an edition:
https://www.amazon.com/Blackburnes-... (Dover is always a good option)
or use the online version:
A standard source (thus the abbreviated referencing). Game #228.
Here's a direct link to it:
|Dec-01-16|| ||Paarhufer: <z: "The Field" 1887.08.06 ... I think Steinitz was editor at the time> |
Steinitz lost or resigned his column after he returned from the tournament in Vienna 1882. This was part or even starting point of the "ink war" with Hoffer, as Whyld presumably called it.
|Dec-01-16|| ||OhioChessFan: Any medical practicioners here? From Ray Charles|
<In 1936 he contracted glaucoma>
Do you contract glaucoma? I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but still think the answer is no.
|Dec-01-16|| ||WannaBe: <OCF> I would say you are correct, one does not 'contract' glaucoma. (after looking at various medical pages online) |
Not sure where I got that piece of information from when I first wrote the biography...
|Dec-01-16|| ||Tabanus: <z> Thanks. I will rewrite a little tomorrow, for the general reader.|
|Dec-01-16|| ||zanzibar: <Paarhufer> Thank you kindly for the correction.|
I was waffling with the "I think...", partly due to being rusty.
But it looks like my biographical notes about <The Field>'s editors is incomplete, and you prompted me to do a quick little research on the matter. Harding provides this info:
<Field, The. London sporting weekly (original full title: The Field, the Farm, the Garden, the Country Gentleman’s Newspaper.) The first column was by Elijah Williams 1/1/1853 until mid-1854; irregular in the second year. Whyld says it ended 28 Oct. 1854 but Williams had died in September. Chess resumed with Boden 24 April 1858-28 Aug. 1869. Details of the editorship between then and the accession of Steinitz is unclear. Whyld says Boden to March 1870 but there is no obvious change at that point; it appears possible that a new columnist was hired when the column restarted in Jan. 1870. De Vere is generally agreed to have been editor in 1871. Authorship in 1872 is unclear. Steinitz took over in 1873, in January according to his biographer, and his reign ended in July 1882, after the Vienna tournament, due to an acrimonious correspondence involving James Mason that provoked his resignation. Thereafter Hoffer (Aug 1882-Aug 1913) and Burn.>
Obviously I should update my blog post. On the other hand, Harding, although an authority in his own right, omits any references for the sources of his info.
It would be nice to find a few contemporaneous mentions for Steinitz's comings and goings as editor.
(Plus, I really wish we had free online access to all Field chess columns - it's unfortunate that such an important British source is less accessible than many similar American columns).
|Dec-01-16|| ||zanzibar: <Tab> right.
I once asked <LuftforLife> to prepare a general page for these common shorthands.
Then we could match PGN refs better with Bio refs, and just put a boilerplate general ref to alert newbies where to start digging.
|Dec-03-16|| ||OhioChessFan: Regarding the bio for Georg Rotlewi|
(born Aug-18-1889, died 1920, 30 years old) >
Winter claims his DOB and DOD are unknown here:
<Tadeusz Wolsza has produced volume five of Arcymistrzowie, mistrzowie, amatorzy... (Warsaw, 2007), and we note in particular the section on Hersz (or Gersz) Rotlewi (1889-1920) on pages 101-108.
At Carlsbad, 1911 Rotlewi came fourth out of 26, defeating such players as Schlechter, Marshall, Nimzowitsch, Tartakower and Spielmann, and Tomasz Lissowski (Warsaw) wonders whether he is unique among twentieth-century masters for the lack of biographical information available. His exact birth and death dates are unknown, and Wolsza’s book reports that nothing is known about him until he appeared on the chess scene in 1905. £ódŸ was his place of birth and of death, and page 106 states that he contracted tuberculosis. >
If the DOB is known, it should be footnoted. The Winter article is from 2007 so I realize something may have been discovered since then.
|Dec-03-16|| ||Tabanus: http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a... has 18 Aug. 1889 in Warsaw. There are footnotes now, not by me.|
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