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Aug-30-14
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  zanzibar: For the interested, I've done a preliminary comparison of TWIC's names vs FIDE's name for <Tromso Women's OLM 2014>.

http://zanchess.wordpress.com/2014/...

TWIC uses FIDE naming convention, but corrects the names in a few cases. It seems to like all the names to have the comma, and proper formatting.

It's another reference for things like surname vs prenom, although I'm not sure how Mark corrects the FIDE card.

Also, I was hoping TWIC would consistently have the FIDE id's for both colors, in all the games. It appears there may be a few omissions.

Does anybody else have experience with this?

Aug-30-14
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  zanzibar: And a list of TWIC players missing FIDE id from <Tromso wolm>:

http://zanchess.wordpress.com/2014/...

171 games (out of 2927) have one or more missing FIDE id's.

Aug-30-14
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  Tabanus: The US Championship (1973) page gives the impression that Grefe and Kavalek were US co-champions in 1973. But http://www.365chess.com/tournaments... says there was a play-off won by R. Byrne. So Byrne was champion 1973?
Aug-30-14
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  Chessical: <Tabanus>: "Robert Byrne is US chess champion" “ Chess Life and Review”, April 1973, p187.

(But became the 1972 champion only in February 1973)!

"He scored 3-1 by notching one victory and one draw each against Grandmaster Samuel Reshevsky and Lubomir Kavalek, at a play off in Chicago's LaSalle Hotel, February 3-11. Although the play-off did not take place until 1973, Byrne's victory puts him in the record books as 1972 Champion. He Reshevsky and Kavalek, had tied for first place in the 1972 U.S. Championship and Zonal Tournament. Regulations provide for a triple tie to be broken in a play-off where each contestant plays two games with each of the other two contestants".

Robert Byrne is US chess champion “ Chess Life and Review”, April 1973, p187.

The 22nd US Championship, was held in El Paso, Texas, September 9-27, 1973.

Kavalek and Grefe tied for first. “ Chess Life and Review”, November 1973, p636.

Aug-30-14
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  jamesmaskell: Just passing by with a thank you to those who helped put together the Peter Leko bio page.

I'm working on improving his Wikipedia page and CG's page has saved me a lot of hassle. Great job.

Aug-30-14
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  Tabanus: <Chessical> I see, thanks. It was the play-off after US Championship (1972).
Aug-30-14
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  zanzibar: What a mess this is. I should just throw in the towel.

So... working on <Tromso olm>, I switched from the Open to the Women's section.

I have a giant data structure filled by the FIDE player list. Turns out several of the women players weren't in the slightly old players_list.txt I was using.

OK, no problem, just download the new Auguest list from FIDE - it's hot off the press and should include everybody, right?

(Heck, a good chance to update the code to read in a zip file anyways, and save from disk space.)

Now I have FIDE id's for all the women. Great, right?

Then I go back and do the Open again. Should work just like yesterday, right?

Guess what! FIDE id 1307398 is missing. What the heck?!?

Turns out that #1307398 is the old FIDE id for <Curt Meier>, the player from Seychelles who died from a heart attack on the last round of the Olympiad.

FIDE already retired his number!

Son of a gun...

<twinlark> did you get a chance to talk to your FIDE guy yet?

Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: There are 149 records missing from the August FIDE listings as compared to the May listings.

There are 16098 new records.

Of these new records a new number look to be very young, unrated, but with hundreds (or thousands!) of rapid games. E.g.

<[45015520, 'IND', 'F', '', '', '', 0, 0, 0, 0, 2009, 0, 0, 0, 0, '2009', '', 'Aarna Khandelwal']>

A huge number have 200 rapid games. I'm not sure what exactly is going on here.

Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: Quick follow-up. Looks like FIDE is stashing the b-day in the #rapid games field. Sometimes the 4-digits get truncated to three.

Thus, lots of 200x -> 200, 199x -> 199, etc.

What a mess!

Aug-31-14
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  Stonehenge: Perhaps CG should add some countries to the <Country of origin> drop-down menu?

I'm thinking of Scotland and Wales and perhaps some small countries that played in an Olympiad.

Aug-31-14
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  Stonehenge: Bernhard Lichtenstein

<130 years old>

Again, I can't say I like this :(

Why can't we put question marks in the <Date deceased> field, and that the bio automatically says DOD unknown. I think I have seen all zeros somewhere but I don't like that neither. Same for the <Date of birth> field, of course.

Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: Breakdown of new FIDE enrollments over the summer:

<RUS 17%, IND 13%, TUR 6%, GER 4%, POL 4%>

Then <ESP, FRA, GRE, ISR, ITA, SRI, UKR, USA, VIE all at 2%.>

Breakdown of dropouts (deceased):

<RUS 29%, CRO 6%, DEN 5%, SRI 5%, TUR 5%, UAE 4%

CUB, GRE, IND, IRI, PAK all 3%

LTU, MAR both 2%>

Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: I guess one more point on the moving target that FIDE is...

1680 / 445018 records had a name change.

That's a rate of 0.38%, presumably due to name corrections.

The stability is in the FIDE id, if only FIDE would a-bid-eh.

Aug-31-14
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  Tabanus: FIDE needs to hire a Nitpicker.
Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: <Tabanus> I'm available, part-time of course.
Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: I used to think FIDE would be the reference, but I'm beginning to think that <CG> has more hope - since you can have open discussion on its records (and they don't drop deceased records).

It would be a slog - but I think it actually has the better chance of becoming the world standard reference.

Now, what does <CG> do with the stale <Kurt Meier> FIDE link? Delete it, archive it, mark it?

Oh no! Did <CG> delete it?

Kurt Meier)

Once again, it's only OLM who archives it (in plain view).

Aug-31-14
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  Tabanus: I've struggled with the fact that all punctums, parentheses and brackets in a text have been transformed to the # symbol. New versions of IE now has an "autocorrect" function which can be turned off. I found this page useful:

http://www.askvg.com/how-to-disable..., but if it will work I don't know yet.

Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: <gauer> you have to read your stuff fast!
Aug-31-14
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  zanzibar: Here's an example of where <TWIC>'s correction could smooth out an inconsistency, and instead of fixing the problem, actually mask it.

<Eugenie M. Ramirez> FIDE id 3301133 <Eugenie Maria Ramirez> FIDE id 3301680

Probably the same player, but who knows?

Anyways, 3301133 has scarce info, 3301680 is more active, w photo etc.

The FIDE pgn download has one game with 3301133, and all the rest with 3301680.

TWIC normalized it, so that all have 3301133.

Sep-01-14
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  OhioChessFan: Does anyone else think this suggests Spassky was rescued by the Nazi forces?

<As a child, in 1943, he escaped from the siege of Leningrad by the Nazi forces in World War Two. >

Sep-01-14
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  Paint My Dragon: <Ohio> Could be a little clearer perhaps?

How about <... he escaped from Leningrad, while under siege from Nazi forces in World War Two>

Or, if we think that 'the siege of Leningrad' is a large enough historical event as to require no further explanation (which it probably is), and/or decide that this is not the place to give a short history lesson, then the more compact < ... he escaped from the siege of Leningrad.> may suffice.

Sep-01-14
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  zanzibar: <As a child he experienced WWII firsthand, escaping from the Nazi siege of Leningrad in 1943.>
Sep-01-14
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  OhioChessFan: Maybe ".....he escaped from the Nazi siege of Leningrad."

A few of us have been having fun dissecting the cg.c Editor's instructions page and that line from the Spassky bio was part of it.

Sep-01-14
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  OhioChessFan: Okay, I guess <zanzibar> and I posted that at the same time. I think "Nazi siege" is a winner. I don't have much of a preference either way for the current start of the sentence or <zanzibar's> tweak.
Sep-01-14
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  OhioChessFan: Siegbert Tarrasch

(born Mar-05-1862)

< A Lasker-Tarrasch World Championship Match (1908) eventually happened, but by then Tarrasch was nearly fifty years old, >

Tarrasch was 47. I don't think that qualifes as "nearly fifty".

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