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Sep-26-16
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  chessgames.com: <OCF> Wouldn't it be easier to fix those problems once nominated as opposed to writing out a list of them? If there were gross problems I could see the need for discussion, but if we have to talk about every overlooked comma we'll turn 10 minutes work into an hour.

I've been making minor punctuation and even small style changes as I see fit. It's very easy: I bet I can find at least one legitimate niggle with our very finest of articles.

If anybody steps on another's toes, that's what this place is for.

Sep-26-16
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  TheFocus: I remember Daniel telling me that he thought that I would damage player bios or tournament pages, so he took away my editor privileges. (All because I threatened to delete my own collections.)

How's that make you feel, Daniel? I never damaged anything. yet... someone did.

And now, we have the same guy promising yet again to delete stuff.

Stuff that only bothers him.

As for me, I don't like the idea of <Tabanus> being an editor.

Sep-26-16
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  Annie K.: I vote for <Tabanus>. :)
Sep-26-16
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  OhioChessFan: <cg.c: If anybody steps on another's toes, that's what this place is for.>

Per stepping on toes, that's why I try to do it before hand.

Sep-26-16
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  jnpope: <chessical>: I noticed you didn't use any of the St. Louis Globe-Democrat which has been available online since 2011 thanks to Joost van Winsen:

http://www.chessarch.com/excavation...

Sep-26-16
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  zanzibar: <<OCF> Per stepping on toes, that's why I try to do it before hand.>

A little too much relish on dogging the dogs?

I prefer a nice spicy mustard myself, offhand.

Sep-27-16
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  Chessical: <j n pope> I am indebted to you for bringing the Louis Globe-Democrat chess column collection scans to my attention. I attempted to access them through the university archive but whilst some indexing had been done, there was nothing on line. I note a great deal of this material was used by other newspapes both attributed and not. It seems that the newspapers of the day habitually copied material from each other on a quid pro quo basis.
Sep-27-16
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  chessgames.com: <Per stepping on toes, that's why I try to do it before hand.> OK, perhaps people are even more touchy about having their material edited than I imagined. Anyhow, I'm not criticizing, just wondering the logic. Also, I don't want other editors to think that they can't remove or insert a comma without first having a roundtable discussion.

<gauer> wrote, in the voting area <Seems like the boss is happy with the touch-ups, along with a few other voters. Once cloned, does the "incl. intro" tick always pick the version of the cid nominated from?>

I assume gauer is jokingly calling OCF "the boss" here. To answer the question: yes, the clone has complete priority over what it has been cloned from, including any edits. In fact the original collection may have been deleted. (The original motivation for the feature was to prevent editors from making threats of deleting their own work!)

<If clicked no, it adds the cid intro to the header anyways - or used to...> Is that a fact? I could imagine a bug like that going for years unnoticed, simply because "tournaments without intros" have been shunned by the majority here from day #1. I'll check the code.

Sep-27-16
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  chessgames.com: <I remember Daniel telling me that he thought that I would damage player bios or tournament pages, so he took away my editor privileges. (All because I threatened to delete my own collections.) How's that make you feel, Daniel?> Correct me if I'm wrong, but you did more than threaten, you actually did it did you not?

I have not spoken of the real damage you have actually created by your actions. Just for example, somebody suggested a change to one of the History of the World Chess Championship pages recently. Sorry, can't do it, I have hours of programming work to perform to remedy problems created by the TheFocus long ago. Until then History of the World Chess Championship is completely on ice, all thanks to you.

So how does it make me feel? I think "prescient" is the right word.

Sep-27-16
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  chessgames.com: <Tabanus: I run for election again.>

As people have pointed out, your vandalism was very minor and symbolic. But vandalism is still a felony in these parts.

So here is I what I believe to be a fair offer: I'll reinstate <Tabanus> as an editor, only if he promises to make it his first priority to atone ("symbolically") by restoring the biography of Louis Stumpers. It doesn't have to be fancy (it never was), just a sentence or two and a link to Wikipedia.

Is that reasonable?

Sep-27-16
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  Tabanus: <CG> Fine with me. I'll try, but no Wikipedia article, and the sources are mainly in Dutch.
Sep-27-16  WorstPlayerEver: There's no (Dutch) wiki about Louis Stumpers.
Sep-27-16
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  Tabanus: I have made a first version of Stumpers' bio now.
Sep-27-16  gauer: Nope, by the "boss", I meant the chessgames.com account. Anyways, I'm also glad to hear that the other 3 voters before me were happy with it. I think on the first try, I read a voting note say something about a nay vote because a slightly different choice of intro could be used - but that was in the days of thinking that post-2000 tournaments couldn't (or shouldn't) have needed to been edited further if subsequent footnotes research appeared.

I mentioned on the bistro back then something about a nomination page taking a non-empty cid's header regardlessly - whether or not the voting nomination software gave a choice of including it or not (the worry was partly that an editor couldn't access the editor to subsequently edit it after a nomination). As for a tid like 9th Edmonton International (2014) (I saw a few others in such a format, mentioned in a correction slip or 2, a while ago), one sees a link to "official site" near where the tid intro box usually is. It does have an editor privileges window like many others near the bottom, and that there had been some content later added to it (after the post-2000 nominating issue was resolved after testing...), but it doesn't seem to accept the editor privileges content to the editorial box of the biography box above on the page.

Sep-27-16
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  chessgames.com: Forget what I said about Wikipedia, I just meant to say that it doesn't have to be a work of art. Welcome back, Tab, you're an editor again.

<gauer> Thank you for pointing out the problem with 9th Edmonton International (2014), an issue which I have not witnessed before. I don't know what to say without investigation other than it's obviously some sort of bug.

Sep-27-16
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  chessgames.com: The issue with the 9th Edmonton International was that when it was current, we didn't have tournament write-ups (at least not on current tournaments), so I employed the "old" technology to make a tournament writeup. The old technology consisted of me hacking an HTML file in a certain directory.

The remedy was simply to delete that text file I made back in 2014 and now it works. There might be a few other tournaments that fit into that category; thanks again for pointing that out.

Sep-27-16
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  Tabanus: CG, thanks :) I will put in the bio tomorrow, it's on my ... umm, other computer.
Sep-27-16
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  zanzibar: Welcome back <Tab>.

* * * * *

And while I don't agree with <Focus> in the matter, I respect him voicing his opinion.

And I'd like to see his editor privileges restored as well, given this period of general amnesty.

(Of course I don't know the entire history - so perhaps file under careful what you wish for...

Still, I tend to vote liberally when the possibility is there of enlisting potentially valuable contributors.)

Sep-27-16
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  TheFocus: <zanzibar> <And while I don't agree with <Focus> in the matter, I respect him voicing his opinion.

And I'd like to see his editor privileges restored as well, given this period of general amnesty.

(Of course I don't know the entire history - so perhaps file under careful what you wish for...>

No, thank you. I get paid for my work.

Sep-27-16
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  TheFocus: <chessgames.com> <I remember Daniel telling me that he thought that I would damage player bios or tournament pages, so he took away my editor privileges. (All because I threatened to delete my own collections.) How's that make you feel, Daniel?>

<<Correct me if I'm wrong, but you did more than threaten, you actually did it did you not?>>

Yes, I did. But you may not know that all my collections that were Historical Pages were recreated, and linked: TheFocus' Game Collections.

<<I have not spoken of the real damage you have actually created by your actions. Just for example, somebody suggested a change to one of the History of the World Chess Championship pages recently. Sorry, can't do it, I have hours of programming work to perform to remedy problems created by the TheFocus long ago. Until then History of the World Chess Championship is completely on ice, all thanks to you.>

Please point out how that can be as only my 1971 Fischer - Petrosian match had anything to do with the World Championships.

Sep-27-16
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  chessgames.com: <Please point out how that can be as only my 1971 Fischer - Petrosian match had anything to do with the World Championships>

From my point of view, I run the software to recompile the WCC articles, and it threw multiple errors of the form "GAME COLLECTION #xxxxx DOES NOT EXIST."

I never did any research (i.e. digging up old backups) to see who it was that deleted the collections; under the circumstances I simply assumed that the error I was witnessing must have been a side-effect of your past behavior.

But now you tell me that you never made any WCC collections, if that's true then you have my sincere apologies for wrongly jumping to that conclusion.

Sep-27-16
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  TheFocus: Thank you, Daniel.

I appreciate that.

Sep-27-16
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  zanzibar: Here is the fully instrumented version of JFQ's Smyslov page, with backlinks for all the tournaments.

https://zanchess.wordpress.com/2016...

Additionally, I've added two other pages, of Tactical Motifs and Mates from CT, and Mates from Wiki, utilizing ztabs/back-links.

If somebody could try out the download and let me know that all three pages work properly I'd be obliged.

I'm also soliciting comments for those willing to actually take each page out for a spin and do a compare and contrast with the originals.

Sep-28-16  Retireborn: <z> It all works.
Sep-28-16
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  Tabanus: Bio of Louis Stumpers is up and running.

The English can certainly be improved. Hopefully I read the Dutch sources (which are a little second hand-ish, and he's not in Ancestry dot com) correctly.

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