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|Jun-22-12|| ||Petrosianic: <Lasker and Capa actually died in the same hospital :)>|
Don't eat the salmon mousse!
|Jun-22-12|| ||twinlark: Speaking of deaths, and rather than having this discussion on his page on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of his birth, I altered the bio of Alan Turing to express the pathologist's report that he died from drinking a cyanide solution, but someone changed it back to the myth that he ate an apple laced with cyanide. |
Like many myths, it's bred other myths like that the Apple logo (with the bitten out segment) was derived from this.
In any case, the Science Museum in London has the pathologist's report on Turing's death which we're assured on good authority makes a determination on his death by drinking cyanide, so if anyone lives in or near London, you might like to check it out.
Apparently, there was an apple next to him when he died, but this had more to do with his grim sense of humour at the time, after being hounded about his homosexuality and out of his job and chemically castrated, and the symbolism of the lethal apple in Snow White. Certainly the apple was never tested for poison, and I imagine, if it hadn't been chewed, there would have been no reason to do so.
|Jun-22-12|| ||Sneaky: <twinlark>
That was me who changed it back to the "myth". I posted a long write-up on my opinions of Turing's suicide then deleted it as I find it too depressing of a subject to delve into on the auspicious occasion of his 100th birthday.
I see now it's been updated it with a footnote to the Economist article. I had no idea about the pathologist's report. I imagine toxicity levels tell the story.
I still believe that the apple was there as a symbol (he was reenacting a scene from Snow White, one of his favorite movies) but official findings should trump speculation every time.
In short thanks for your good work and sorry for my ill-informed edit.
|Jun-22-12|| ||twinlark: <Sneaky>
Thanks for responding quickly.
I think I'd have to point to the pathologist's report (referred to in my link in my last post), which according to the Economist article "proved" that he died by drinking a solution rather than eating an apple.
As for the half chewed apple, it would have nothing to do with hunger, but more to do with making the Snow White statement. The wry suicide note (?).
The notion of lacing an apple with cyanide seems a little fraught. How would he do this, logistically? A straightforward cyanide solution that could contain far more cyanide than an apple, and which could be drunk straight down would act much more quickly than an apple smeared, or injected with cyanide. It just seems a pointless exercise to use an apple, especially as Turing was very knowledgeable about poisons and wouldn't have wanted to prolong his agony. Cyanide is agonizing.
Also, it seems that the apple was never tested, so it would seem that the poison apple theory arose simply because of the presence of a half chewed fruit at his bedside. It's not hard to see how a myth or legend could grow out of this.
Bottom line is the pathologist's report which sounds like it was unambiguous and straightforward evidence free of the need for any other speculation, and which actually, using Occam's Razor, seems the simplest explanation.
|Jun-22-12|| ||twinlark: <Sneaky> Thanks and you're most welcome.|
I've responded to your earlier deleted post but I'll leave my post as is as this sort of discussion is quite useful. The pathologist's report is indeed the decisive document, IMO also. It's worthwhile debunking a very common myth about the great man, although I'm not sure he would have been overly concerned...
|Jun-22-12|| ||Sneaky: I don't even see it so much as a debunking of a myth but as the most succinct way to convey the facts that we can all agree upon. After all, the pathologist's report doesn't prove the apple wasn't laced: it just proves that he couldn't have died of that *alone*. Perhaps he laced an apple and then drank straight from the bottle as well, just to make sure the job got done quickly. But if the apple was merely to be symbol, why bother lacing it at all?|
Speaking of second-hand reporting, Stephen Fry claims to have asked Steve Jobs personally if there is any truth to the story that the Apple logo represents Turing's "laced apple." Jobs is said to have replied: <It isn't true, but God we wish it were!>
|Jun-22-12|| ||twinlark: <But if the apple was merely to be symbol, why bother lacing it at all?>|
My thoughts exactly.
<Fry/Jobs> Heh. The poisoned apple/apple of knowledge meme has certainly done the rounds since A&E!
|Jun-22-12|| ||Benzol: <twinlark> & <sneaky> I had always thought the laced apple story was true. Thanks for enlightening me otherwise.|
|Jun-23-12|| ||Benzol: <sneaky pete> Thanks to you too for the update on Euwe.|
|Jun-23-12|| ||sneaky pete: An addition to my previous post about Euwe's last serious game. The game against De Ruiter uploaded by <achieve> wasn't played on Thursday July 2, but in February, most likely on Saturday February 7. It's from a team match in round 6 of the highest league club competition, played in February. There was no such team match on a Thursday in July. These matches were and are always played (from September until April or May) on a Saturday. De Ruiter must have made a mistake when he submitted the game for publication in the MEC bulletin, misinterpreting the date 7/2/1981 (the continental way of writing February 7) as July 2.|
That makes the game against Moonen, played in round 9 (the last round) of the same competion, probably the last serious game Euwe played. It may date from Saturday May 3, but that's just conjecture.
|Jun-23-12|| ||Sneaky: I was just fixing a few typographical type mistakes. The person who wrote this bio is very good but they are making one gigantic mistake. Can you spot it?|
(born Jun-23-1989) Belarus (citizen of Canada)
In 2012, Artiom won the winter ProAm in Guelph and Toronto championship. An IM, Artiom won the 2008 Canadian Junior & was coach for the 2009 Canadian World Youth Chess Championship team. In 2007, he tied for 1st-3rd with Michael Dougherty & Jeff Willms in the top open group of the Kitchener Oktoberfest tournament and tied 1st-4th in the Canadian Closed. He debuts in his first ever Chess Olympiad (2010) on the Canadian 4th board (2 wins & 2 draws in 6 played games) and in 2010, he tied for 1st-2nd with Bindi Cheng in the (open) blitz championship in Canada. The cities of Toronto, Hamilton, Niagara Falls, Kitchener, Guelph & Ottawa are but a few of the weekend tournament titles that he has won in the GTCL, SWOCL & EOCA leagues.>
Here's the problem: the ampersand (&) is NOT shorthand for the word "and". Except for the cases where it appears in the name of a business (AT&T) or magazine title (Chess Life & Review) there is almost never a reason to use an ampersand.
Just wanted to point this out as I've seen this mistake on a few other bios.
|Jun-23-12|| ||twinlark: Is his name Artem or Artiom?|
|Jun-23-12|| ||Phony Benoni: It's both. We should use <Artem & Artiom>.|
Not serious, not serious. Personally, I wish the ampersand could be abolished, since it makes my professional life more complicated. Our library's catalog simply ignores it when alphabetizing search results, so we get a list like this:
Chess and checkers for all
Chess and the Internet
Chess, bratwurst, and free beer
Chess & checkers for all
Yes, I know we should have better programming in our catalog. We might be able to afford that if they didn't pay me, so it's not happening. At least, I haven't been told it's happening.
|Jun-24-12|| ||twinlark: Sorry <Sneaky>, not trying to be picky. Just curious.|
|Jun-24-12|| ||gauer: <Sneaky> The bio-editor(s) might be choosing one amongst most such easiest ways of merging sentence fragments with conjunction-based tools as " &, ',', and, ..., or -" - since attaching a "," (without inserting spaces, as in the case of a dash) to a URL can sometimes muck up the intended punctuation. It also seems to be used in that references section of a good way of telling a user that they could visit: "<URL> (site),". In the case of seeing which teams they played on, it makes for a nice short hyperlink when guys like used to be spelled a number of different ways in the database.|
|Jun-24-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <gauer> I doubt the bio-editors had anything so technical in mind. Regardless of its correctness, "&" is used so ommonly that most people don't think twice about it.|
|Jun-28-12|| ||chessgames.com: Getting back to some old business, <Phony Benoni: This seems as good a place as any to ask about this game. It was published in <Chess Life>, January 5, 1951: ... > And then followed a game reported to be played by Woodrow Wilson, the 28th president of the Unites States. Among US presidential buffs, Wilson is often regarded as the most scholarly and if I'm not mistaken, he's the only president to have held a doctorate. |
Anyhow, here's the game. Enjoy! W Wilson vs S Langleben, 1898
|Jun-30-12|| ||crawfb5: <I'm not mistaken, he's the only president to have held a doctorate>|
That would be a <real> (i.e., earned) doctorate, although a number of US presidents have held faculty or administrative positions at universities, despite a PhD usually being held by individuals in those positions.
|Jun-30-12|| ||Benzol: Thankyou <chessgames> The POTD is featured in Game Collection: 3rd World Correspondence Chess Championship which is now ready for perusal.|
|Jul-01-12|| ||chessgames.com: We're working now on processing the new FIDE rating list. If you haven't heard the news, FIDE will soon provide "rapid" and "blitz" ratings officially, and furthermore will release official ratings every single month and not quarterly.|
Since this is the first time we've processed the list taking into account the new FIDE ID number field, we're going very slowly in debugging-mode and watching the program operate to make sure that it always (or nearly always) does the right thing. Once we're confident that it's doing everything properly we'll let it fly.
You guys have added over 4,600 fide ID numbers since the feature was first launched. Considering only a few dozen activate volunteers editors are working on this, that's mighty impressive. I'd like to thank everybody who's helped amass such important data so quickly.
|Jul-01-12|| ||Shams: <[FIDE] furthermore will release official ratings every single month and not quarterly.>|
So they still want to remain irrelevant, just less egregiously so. Even Ilyumzhinov's mother goes to http://www.2700chess.com/.
|Jul-01-12|| ||twinlark: <chessgames.com> <FIDE will soon provide "rapid" and "blitz" ratings officially,>|
They've already started doing this with the July list. There are only a few up at the moment, but they will build up over time.
|Jul-02-12|| ||chessgames.com: Oh I see now; right you are. Thank goodness they put the data in separate files and didn't change the format of their normal rating file.|
|Jul-02-12|| ||chessgames.com: A word of warning: we found an error in one of the FIDE numbers. |
Deen Hergott had the FIDE # of Dean Hergesic (http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?...) instead of his correct one.
The editor in question who made this slip has been working at a furiously fast pace. The moral is, slow down and be careful. Accuracy is more important than speed here.
|Jul-02-12|| ||Cibator: <Chessgames.com> and <Phoney Benoni>:|
Sorry to be so late with this comment, but I've only just(!) discovered the Bistro.
A long article about Aleister Crowley's chess involvement, authored by C P Ravilious and running to six densely-printed A4 pages, appeared in the December 1997 issue of "Chess", the well-known UK magazine.
It includes the Shoosmith and Blackburne games, and much of the other material in the piece cited by Phoney B. There's also the following game (exact date not given, but dating from the second half of the 1930s). AC was White against one C Boyce.
1.c4 d5 2.cxd5 Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 4.d4 e6 5.e4 Bb4 6.Nf3 Nf6 7.Bd3 Nc6 8. 0-0 0-0 9.Bc2 Qe7 10.e5 Ne8 11.Bxh7+ Kh8 12.Bc2 g6 13.Bh6 Rg8 14.Ne4 f5 15.exf6 Qh7 16.Nfg5 Qd7 17.f7 Rf8 18.Bxf8 Bxf8 19.fxe8(Q) Qxe8 20.Qf3 Nxd4 21. Qh3+ 1-0
I could of course scan the whole article and send it to whoever, but I don't want to infringe anyone's copyright.
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