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Jul-08-12		crawfb5: <Benzol> Modifying the round number (1.1, 2.1, etc) or the event name (St. Petersburg preliminary and St. Petersburg final) might be two other methods. It occurs to me this is not the only early tournament with preliminary and final sections. One of the American Chess Congresses I collected had drawn games replayed, so there are "extra" games between the same players for the same round played on different days. I see now that <Calli> has a collection on the NY Impromptu tournament, but it's missing a lot of games, presumably because we haven't got them in the database.

Jul-08-12		Calli: For St Petersburg 1914, I would make it two different events as <crawfb5> suggests and avoid the (1.2) rounds wherever possible. I did mot complete NY 1893 Impromptu due to conflicting information. Now, with more newspapers online, it probable could be done. Just not today..

Jul-08-12		Benzol: Well Game Collection: St Petersburg 1914 has been updated although I feel somewhat dubious about the final section labellings. Hopefully <chessgames> will give it some more scrutiny before it is considered as ready.

Jul-08-12		Benzol: Game Collection: New York 1924 has now been updated.

Jul-08-12		Phony Benoni: <Benzol> Multi-stage tournaments are going to be a problem. Probably the simplest way would be to cumulate the round numbering. For example, with Game Collection: St Petersburg 1914, the preliminary stage would be rounds 1-11, the final stage rounds 12-21. Few do things that way, but it might be the best solution here. Another question I would have is if "St. Petersburg Preliminary" and "St. Petersburg Final" are going to be considered two different tournaments. They do have different event names. If they do get separate pages, then the round problem is solved--record the round number for that particular event. If the decision is made to sort by date, duplicating the round number might not be that big of an issue since the user can check the date to know if it's preliminary or final. But that's asking a lot of them.

Jul-08-12		Benzol: <Another question I would have is if "St. Petersburg Preliminary" and "St. Petersburg Final" are going to be considered two different tournaments. They do have different event names. If they do get separate pages, then the round problem is solved--record the round number for that particular event. If the decision is made to sort by date, duplicating the round number might not be that big of an issue since the user can check the date to know if it's preliminary or final. But that's asking a lot of them.> Dave I hope <chessgames> have been following what has been posted here. The admins are going to have to sort out the event naming of tournaments as well as the site too. This may also have to include information on multi-stage events. That's something which we as editors can't do. As for the users they'll probably just criticize and have a moan about it. :)

Jul-08-12		gauer: For certain match-point style team tournaments, some pgn header extensions can keep the names of a team associated to a player for a per-event basis, but one wonders whether that is wiped in the upload process (also, in such a tournament, round 1.3 would say round 1, 3rd board (of club's team A)). Probably a good idea is when uploading such type of game to submit the team and individual cross tables for them to reference or show on a tid page if they exist. In another case (when 2 players play the same board, but only one is mentioned in the header), it seems to make sense to have a link in the bio for a player's game(s) played by consulting with others. Whether to include them as stats on a separate pid page instead of part of the statistical calculation of the player's reg+blitz+rapid+corr score with their notable consultation games is also their own decision to make - but in some cases, a player's most noted game was one found in a team consultation game. Do any of the pgn standards have a way to record times marked on a scoresheet, or things like draw offers, sealed moves or adjournments (and for how long, and if they resumed the same week or day) at a certain move, or for correspondence games that take in excess of a year (ie does one record the start or finish date)? Some tournaments would have a certain day (ie a Sunday rest day) might be used to finish adjourned or adjudicated games from a few days prior.

Jul-09-12		Benzol: Game Collection: New York 1927 has now been updated. <gauer> Some interesting points. :)

Jul-09-12		Phony Benoni: <gauer> The technical side of this is not my area. From I can understand in the general-purpose Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portab... There seven universal tag groups of data, known as the "Seven Tag Roster": Event, Site, Date, Round, Result, White, Black. Other tag groups can be added at the fancy of the individual designer. Here is a more technical, if older explanation, by Steven J. Edwards, the original developer of the system. http://www.tim-mann.org/Standard In Section 9 he covers many additional tags to the basic 7. Just about anything we've discussed can have a specific tag added. The big question, I suppose, would be whether all the special tags would be understood when our PGN was downloaded into other systems. By the way, he recommends Date sorting. Understandable but still disappointing, since that is the one piece of standard data which is most often missing.

Jul-10-12		Phony Benoni: For the record, I took care of <suenteus po 147>'s Game Collection: Tournaments Updated with Round/Date Information since the admins seemed to be looking forward to it.

Jul-11-12		Benzol: Game Collection: N�rnberg/Nuernberg/Nuremberg 1896 has now been updated.

Jul-11-12		Phony Benoni: Sorry; I meant Game Collection: WCC Index [Zurich 1953] earlier.

Jul-12-12		Benzol: I have a question about the date this game Pillsbury vs Chigorin, 1896 was played. See the game for the details.

Jul-12-12		crawfb5: <Benzol> Answered at the game page, but I did not change the date (yet). Seems it was neither the 8th nor the 10th, but the 9th.

Jul-12-12		twinlark: I take my hat off to you guys. Amazing work.

Jul-12-12		Benzol: Looks like <cg> has corrected the year dates for <keypusher>'s Game Collection: St. Petersburg 1895-96 so I think this tourney can now be considered as updated. :)

Jul-12-12		Phony Benoni: You can definitely tell that <CG Librarian> is at work, particularly on current corrections.

Jul-13-12		perfidious: Question for the multitude: how would one go about becoming a biographer here?

Jul-13-12		Phony Benoni: <perfidious> See the very first post in the first page of the Bistro: Biographer Bistro

Jul-13-12		Benzol: <perfidious> Welcome back. :) To become a biographer I suggest you e-mail <chessgames> with that request. A lot of the biographers are very busy at the moment upgrading classic tournaments for preparation into online discussion forums. Here's a list of what's been made ready so far : Game Collection: Tournaments Updated with Round/Date Information <chessgames> will make their selection of what will be first but eventually we hope all these tournaments will become "live".

Jul-13-12		perfidious: <PB> and <Benzol> Thanks for your suggestions-will do! Having those events organised will doubtless prove a gold mine.

Jul-14-12		Calli: Game Collection: Leipzig 1877, The Anderssen-Feier is ready.

Jul-14-12		Phony Benoni: And I've just finished Game Collection: Munich 1900, except that I did not put round numbers on the tiebreak games pending a decision on how those will be treated.

Jul-14-12		Calli: Game Collection: D�sseldorf 1908 - DSB Kongress XVI is done. <PB> I have only one other tournament collection which is an incomplete NY 1893 collection. Now that there is much more info online, I can finally finish it. Don't think that ones high on CGs list, though, so I am not in a big hurry.

Jul-14-12		Phony Benoni: <Calli> This is probably going to be long, rough road. All we can do for now is get the metadata in there, and I'm sure all efforts are appreciated.

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