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|Aug-04-12|| ||Calli: Ken Whyld In "Collected Games ...." dates Lasker's last round (13th) on July 17. He does not date any other rounds except the 1st. Probably the 18th was for adjournments. So we are only missing the 11th and 12th Rds played on 14th to 16th. Most likely the 15th was an off day because it was Sunday.|
|Aug-04-12|| ||TheFocus: I think if you follow the schedule of the two previous weeks, you could safely guess:|
Saturday July 14 adjournments
Sunday July 15 rd. 11
Monday July 16 rd. 12
Tuesday July 17 rd. 13
Wednesday July 18 adjournments,if any.
|Aug-04-12|| ||thomastonk: <TheFocus: "safely guess"> Brrrgh. ;-)|
I have now found a letter of Euwe, dated July 14th, wherein he reported Tarraschs win against Spielmann from round 11. Hence: Saturday July 14: round 11!
Moreover, there were two games unfinished after the last round (Tarrasch vs Walter and Walter vs Hromodka) and both very finished Wednesday July 18.
|Aug-04-12|| ||Phony Benoni: It looks likes Wednesday and Sunday were rest/adjournment days. That would produce this schedule:|
Sunday July 1st: 1st round
Monday July 2nd: 2nd round
Tuesday July 3rd: 3rd round
Wednesday July 4th: adjourned games
Thursday July 5th: 4th round
Friday July 6th: 5th round
Saturday July 7th: 6th round
Sunday July 8th: adjourned games
Monday July 9th: 7th round
Tuesday July 10th: 8th round
Wednesday July 11th: adjourned games
Thursday July 12th: 9th round
Friday July 13th: 10th round
Saturday July 14: 11th round
Sunday July 15: adjourned games
Monday, July 16: 12th round
Tuesday July 17: 13th round
Wednesday July 18: adjourned games
That would also explain why some sources give July 1-17 instead of July 1-18. Games continued until the 18th, but the latest date in a database would be the 17th.
|Aug-04-12|| ||thomastonk: Well, now I have also checked the WSZ: only one game has an exact date (thank you, S. Tartakower!), and this let me confirm: Tuesday July 17: 13th round.|
So, only the exact dates of rounds 6 and 12 are missing.
|Aug-04-12|| ||sneaky pete: Yes, <The Focus> guessed wrong.|
I have some newspaper clippings for the last rounds (I started clipping and pasting chess reports at a very young age).
One from Saturday July 14 reports on the round 11 games. One from Monday July 16 states: Sunday (July 15) was a rest day and then continues with "today's games" from round 12. The report from July 17 gives the results of the round 13 games and mentions "tomorrow is prize-giving day". Finally, one from July 18 has the final table, except for the 2 games Walter still had to finish.
|Aug-04-12|| ||thomastonk: Hello <sneaky pete>, thanks for solving round 12!|
About round 6: Rubinstein and Pokorny had no adjourned games after round 5, and their 6th round encounter was adjourned and remained unfinished after round 7. So, if the 6th round had been played on Saturday July 7th, then Rubinstein and Pokorny could have finished there game the next day, which didn't happened.
Well, this does not fit to <Phony Benoni> lovely Wednesday/Sunday rule. Quite sad.
|Aug-04-12|| ||Benzol: OK so should it look like this?
Game Collection: Mährisch-Ostrau 1923
|Aug-04-12|| ||Phony Benoni: This is turning out to be a headache.
<thomastonk> First, and most importantly, thanks for your contributions. Most of the progress has been due to your work.
The only suggestion I can make for Rubinstein vs A Pokorny, 1923 is that, since it went 72 moves, perhaps it was adjourned twice. But that's a stretch, and we need to settle more definitely when round 6 was played.
|Aug-04-12|| ||Benzol: <Phony Benoni> <This is turning out to be a headache.>|
Just when I was hoping to get back to Semmering 1926. Oh well.
|Aug-04-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Benzol> The only question appears to be the exact date of round 6, so you're at least 92% correct. It won't be much work to fix that, if it even proves to be necessary.|
|Aug-04-12|| ||Benzol: Thanks to everybody for their input. It's great when we can all pool together to complete something like this. We can disagree but it helps to make a better final result.|
|Aug-05-12|| ||Benzol: Game Collection: Semmering 1926 has now been updated.|
|Aug-05-12|| ||thomastonk: Once more about round 6 in Mährisch-Ostrau: I have found now a newspaper report from Sunday July 8th, whose final sentence states that today adjourned games will be played. But, and hence I am again not 100% convinced, the whole report is on round 5, and so - compared to previous reports - it looks like that report is printed one day too late.|
Does anybody have Lasker's reports published in De Telegraaf?
|Aug-05-12|| ||whiteshark: As for the smaller <Hannover 1926> tournament, here are the round dates: |
Round 1 - 09th August 1926
Round 2 - 10th August 1926
Round 3 - 11th August 1926
Round 4 - 12th August 1926
Round 5 - 14th August 1926
Round 6 - 15th August 1926
Round 7 - 17th August 1926
Game Collection: 99_Hannover 1926
|Aug-05-12|| ||perfidious: On this page (Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1984)), there is at least one clear error.|
The notes state that Kasparov won the World Junior at sixteen. This is incorrect: he won that event in 1980, when he was seventeen.
|Aug-05-12|| ||Benzol: Game Collection: 99_Hannover 1926 has now been updated.|
BTW <whiteshark> did you know that <suenteus po 147> has also compiled a collection on the same tournament.
|Aug-05-12|| ||Benzol: <thomastonk> <Once more about round 6 in Mährisch-Ostrau: I have found now a newspaper report from Sunday July 8th, whose final sentence states that today adjourned games will be played. But, and hence I am again not 100% convinced, the whole report is on round 5, and so - compared to previous reports - it looks like that report is printed one day too late.
Does anybody have Lasker's reports published in De Telegraaf?>|
<thomastonk> Does that affect the dates for Mahrisch - Ostrau as it now stands?
|Aug-05-12|| ||sneaky pete: <thomastonk> I have the reports in <De Telegraaf> from July 12 (round 9) on. They are unsigned, but were written (I believe) by Schelfhout. There are some separate pieces signed by Lasker with annotated games: Hromadka vs Lasker from round 3; Wolf vs Euwe from round 10; Selesniev vs Bogoljubov from round 11; Grünfeld vs Bogoljubov from round 8.|
|Aug-05-12|| ||thomastonk: <Benzol: Does that affect the dates for Mahrisch - Ostrau as it now stands?> No, it is still not clear which of the possible two dates is the correct one.|
<sneaky pete> There is a pretty description about an evening in Mährisch-Ostrau in the NWSZ: http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a..., having even a speed chess game between Efim Bogoljubov and Savielly Tartakower.
It confirms more or less what you wrote on Willem A T Schelfhout and Emanuel Lasker. Interestingly, it is said that Richard Reti becomes impatient because he wants to go to the bar!? This reminded me to another funny read: http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/a..., where you find under "1.März 1924" that Réti was busy with his 17 newspaper columns.
|Aug-06-12|| ||Benzol: Game Collection: San Remo 1930 has now been updated.|
|Aug-06-12|| ||Benzol: <Phony Benoni> Dave just a small point, Semmering 1926 is Peter's < suenteus po 147 > collection not mine. He did the real work, I just did the update.|
|Aug-06-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Benzol> Thanks. That one got past me.|
|Aug-06-12|| ||Calli: A note about Moscow 1925. A few years ago, I wondered how Capablanca's simul with Botvinnik participating could be the same day as his loss to Verlinsky. All sources listed the 9th round as Nov 20, same as the simul in another city. Finally, the daily accounts in the NY Times revealed that they changed the off day from Saturday to Friday after the tournament started. As Bogo's tournament book did not date the games, everyone else apparently followed a pre-tournament schedule when dating the games. Here are the actual dates:|
01 10-Nov Tuesday
02 11-Nov Wednesday
03 12-Nov Thursday
04 13-Nov Friday
Of 14-Nov Saturday
05 15-Nov Sunday
06 16-Nov Monday
Ad 17-Nov Tuesday
07 18-Nov Wednesday
08 19-Nov Thursday
Of 20-Nov Friday
09 21-Nov Saturday
10 22-Nov Sunday
11 23-Nov Monday
Ad 24-Nov Tuesday
12 25-Nov Wednesday
13 26-Nov Thursday
Of 27-Nov Friday
14 28-Nov Saturday
15 29-Nov Sunday
16 30-Nov Monday
Ad 1-Dec Tuesday
17 2-Dec Wednesday
18 3-Dec Thursday
Of 4-Dec Friday
19 5-Dec Saturday
20 6-Dec Sunday
Ad 7-Dec Monday
21 8-Dec Tuesday
Ad 9-Dec Wednesday
|Aug-06-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Calli> I've changed the dates for round 9 of Moscow 1925 in accordance with your schedule.|
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