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|Aug-07-12|| ||Benzol: Thanks <Calli> & <Phony Benoni>. Could I ask someone to check the updates on <Resignation Trap>'s Game Collection: Bad Kissingen 1928|
I've tried to do my best with it but Jim's game order has left me somewhat baffled I'm afraid. Thanks in advance.
|Aug-07-12|| ||sneaky pete: <Benzol> The games in the Bad Kissingen collection are all given in the right order. The first six are from round 1, the next six from round 2, etc.|
12 games have a wrong round number (and date). As a result, you now have 5 round 5 games and 7 round 8 games.
It should be:
From round 1 (August 12) are Yates vs Bogoljubov and Tarrasch vs Marshall.
From round 3 (August 14): Spielmann vs Marshall and Tarrasch vs Mieses.
From round 5 (August 16): Yates vs Marshall and Spielmann vs Tarrasch.
From round 7 (August 18): Yates vs Tarrasch and Spielmann vs Mieses.
From round 8 (August 20): Tarrasch vs Bogoljubov and Mieses vs Tartakower.
From round 11 (August 24): Yates vs Mieses and Tartakower vs Tarrasch.
|Aug-07-12|| ||Benzol: <sneaky pete> I think I'm very lucky to have you here. You are a life safer. Many thanks.|
Apologies to Jim for the mess I made of his collection. I really screwed up on this one.
|Aug-08-12|| ||Calli: <Phony Benoni: <Calli> I've changed the dates for round 9 of Moscow 1925 in accordance with your schedule.>|
Excellent. I went ahead and changed Rd 16 as the collection had it a day late. CG probably now has the only correct set of pgns on the net for this event.
|Aug-09-12|| ||chessgames.com: The following biographies still contain links to geocities.com which (as most of you know) is no longer online:|
Soyuz 9 Cosmonauts
Jose Raul Capablanca
These are the only ones.
|Aug-09-12|| ||Alien Math: <chessgames.com: The following biographies still contain links to geocities.com which (as most of you know) is no longer online:
Alexander Alekhine |
Soyuz 9 Cosmonauts
Jose Raul Capablanca
Ground Control > For geocities.com links archives/alternate links, copy then paste the geocities.com links into
|Aug-10-12|| ||Calli: Copied an Obit from Google books. Is it too long? Benjamin Milnes Neill|
|Aug-10-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Calli> As an obituary, it's fine. But it seems excessive for a player bio, where I think laudatory comments should give way to a more-or-less brief summary of facts and accomplishments. |
Of course, what is "brief" for most players will be entirely inadequate in the case of a few. Who are the few that deserve fuller treatment is undoubtedly a contentious question.
|Aug-10-12|| ||Calli: <PB> The article mentions that he played in the US-England cable matches. Is B F Milnes the same player?|
|Aug-10-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Calli> We've clearly got a misidentification here. <Chess365.com> has a game by <B F Milnes> from a British U-18 tournament in 1965. Nine games from 1907-1915, including the cable match game in 1911, were also attributed to that player.|
Reichhelm's 1898 <Chess in Philadelphia> has some information on <B M Neill>, with some slight differences from the obituary:
This gives Neill winning a tournament in Boston with the +15 -1 =2 score, then beating Ware 7-3 in a match for the championship of New England. He moved from Boston to Philadelphia, played a few events there over the next couple of years (including a 2-0 score in exhibition play against Bird), then disappeared from serious play. It's easy to conjecture he took up his pastoral duties about this time.
Neill is one of the players pictured in a group of photographs of former players:
http://books.google.com/books?id=Lj... (scroll down a bit)
In Reichhelm's section on problems, he uses <B M Neill> as well.
However, the New York papers covering the cable match of 1911 (his only appearance in that series) invariably use the form "B Milnes", describing him as a veteran from Philadelphia. This fits in well with the obituary, and it would not be surprising that few would remember him from thirty years previously.
That's enough to send in a correction, but which form of name to use? This is a bit of a Leo Fleischmann Forgacs situation. I don't particularly like using the full form of name (Benjamin Milnes Neill) when the player himself never used it, but that's probably best here since it would allow searching for "Milnes".
Of course, that means I'm going to have to fix up the Cable Match collection, but who doesn't like rewriting history?
|Aug-10-12|| ||perfidious: < Phony Benoni: ....I think laudatory comments (in a player bio) should give way to a more-or-less brief summary of facts and accomplishments....>|
This is a most reasonable aim, in the mould of Wikipedia, else we wind up with a morass of POV statements and peacock language-something which very often happens there anyway.
<....Of course, what is "brief" for most players will be entirely inadequate in the case of a few. Who are the few that deserve fuller treatment is undoubtedly a contentious question.>
Resolving this will truly be grasping the nettle; terming it 'contentious' is likely an understatement.
|Aug-11-12|| ||Benzol: Game Collection: Karlsbad 1929 is almost complete for updates but I wonder if <sneaky pete> happens to know when Round 8 took place. My own suspicion is the 9th of August but can you confirm this.|
|Aug-11-12|| ||whiteshark: <Benzol> Friday, 9th of August is right according to the tournament book.|
I also noted the overlapping of some game collections. ;D
|Aug-11-12|| ||crawfb5: <PB> <Calli> The answer is "buried," if you will, in the obituary:|
<A sidelight on the detachment which he thought it necessary to make between his chess work and his pastoral duties is furnished by the fact that he published all his problems, so long as he remained actively engaged in church work, under the name of B. Milnes, omitting his last name. So little did his friends in other walks of life than chess know of his interest in the game, that no mention of his chess hobby was made in a single one of the very full obituaries which were published in the Philadelphia press after his death.>
I think this answers the question.
This part, however, is an error:
<was twice on the teams that represented the United States in the cable matches with England.>
I only have Milnes playing in the 1911 cable match, not in two.
Hilbert's bio of Shipley (who knew BMN quite well) has several games between WPS and BMN in local events (club championships and club matches) in the 1907-9 range, so Milnes was not as inactive as the databases would suggest.
|Aug-11-12|| ||Benzol: <whiteshark> Thanks.|
|Aug-11-12|| ||Benzol: Game Collection: Karlsbad 1929 is now fully updated.|
|Aug-11-12|| ||Calli: <PB> Thanks, will revise the Bio in the near future. May write a new one with links to the long version.|
<crawfb5> The question was "Who is B. F. Milnes?". Ably answered by >PB>. I have seen this before where a modern player's forename or initials get assigned to someone else probably by software.
|Aug-11-12|| ||GrahamClayton: One thing I have been doing to tidy uop the database is when I come across a player who is only listed by their surname, I do a search to see if I can find a first name. If I do find the first name, I send a correction slip asking chessgames to add the first name.
If all users did this, it would certainly increase the accuracy of the database.|
|Aug-11-12|| ||perfidious: <Graham> Same here-have already uncovered a few in several weeks back at CG.|
|Aug-12-12|| ||twinlark: <Graham> Ditto.|
|Aug-12-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <whiteshark> While updating Game Collection: 99_Hamburg 1910, I noticed that the collection (as well as the database) are missing <Koehnlein 1/2 Tarrasch> from round 13. I have located the score at http://www.365chess.com/game.php?gi..., and have taken the liberty of submitting it.|
|Aug-12-12|| ||whiteshark: Thanks <Phony Benoni>! I'll chess the next days to complete the collection. Somehow my submission get lost in the upload pipeline. @?@|
|Aug-12-12|| ||Check It Out: This is all great work. Thanks. Look forward to the historical tournament games collection.|
|Aug-13-12|| ||TheFocus: Is there not a way to make cross-tables in box forms, with cells and rows? What prevents this function?|
The game collections would look a lot cleaner if it could be done.
|Aug-13-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <TheFocus> Don't we wish. Apparently something like it is possible, as in this sample from the WCC Index:|
Euwe-Alekhine World Championship Rematch (1937)
But it must take some extra special programming to do that; it doesn't seem to be generally available. You'll notice that <chessgames.com> doesn't generally construct crosstables on its current tournaments pages either.
Oh, by the way, if you don't have the information already I came across the full name of another Fischer simul opponent this weekend while working on the US Open: Ojars Celle.
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