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1.e4 a6 2.d4 b5 3.Nf3 Bb7 4.Bd3 e6 5.O-O Nf6 6.Qe2 c5 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.e5 Nd5 9.a4 b4 10.c4 Ne7 11.Nbd2 Bxf3 12.Nxf3 Nbc6 13.Bf4 Qc7 14.Rad1 h6 15.Rfe1 O-O-O 16.Qe4 Nf5 17.h3 g5 18.Bh2 Qa7 19.Rd2 Rdg8 20.Qe2 Nfe7 21.Red1 h5 22.g4 hxg4 23.hxg4 Qc7 24.Be4 Nb8 25.Kg2 Ng6 26.Bxg6 Rxg6 27.Qe4 Qc6 28.Qxc6+ dxc6 29.Nd4 Rgg8 30.Nb3 Be7 31.Bg1 Rd8 32.Rxd8+ Rxd8 33.Rxd8+ Bxd8 34.Nc5 Nd7 35.Nxd7 Kxd7 36.b3 Be7 37.f3 c5 38.Be3 Ke8 39.f4 gxf4 40.Bxf4 Kf8 41.Bh6+ 1/2-1/2
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Mar-01-07  shr0pshire: <OhioChessFan> A minority of the members of white's team openly mocked our moves more than once. Maybe there was a certain hubris with those few players on team white where they felt compelled to win at all costs in a friendly game.

It is a shame they couldn't enjoy the game for what it was: a learning experience and fun.

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  ganstaman: <shr0pshire: Maybe there was a certain hubris with those few players on team white where they felt compelled to win at all costs in a friendly game.>

Hmmm, to win at all costs.... Well, let's review the actions that either team could possibly take in this setting:

1) Make a move.

Ok, so that's it. They can't do anything in this game other than move (there's no delaying the game, there's no making loud noises, there's no trash talking you can see). So please explain how they were attempting to win at all costs if all they did was make moves?

Did they trash talk on their own forum? I'd imagine it's just talk -- no animosity, just a team bonding, morale lifting thing.

Mar-02-07  Artar1: shr0pshire:

Without giving away any secretes, the Team White to which I currently belong is acting much differently from my first team experience. The mood is festive and convivial, making it a pleasure to participate. There's even kidding and joking, and not at Team Black's expense. How refreshing! The atmosphere is a friendly one, which is a welcome relief.

Jan-14-08  D.Observer: Why draw?
Jan-14-08  whatthefat: <D.Observer>

There is no way for either side to make progress.

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  OhioChessFan: Today's Quote from the home page.

If it were just a question of winning or losing, if it were not possible to play a brilliant game, to make an incredible queen sacrifice, to play the occasional shocking or outrageous move, then I suspect many people would not play chess. It simply would not be worth it; such a difficult game and with so few rewards.

--- Jonathan Levitt

Feb-07-08  D.Observer: A candidate for the longest immobility is black's 'a' ♙.
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  OhioChessFan: I was curious about that, <DO> so I took a look at Tim Krabbe's website. Here's what he had to say about immobile Pawns:

<Vidarsson - Hjartarson, Iceland 1994, began with 1.e4 e5 and those pawns were still there when a draw was agreed after move 180.

Valkesalmi - Agopov, Finland 1998, began with 1.c4 c5 2.b3 d5 and that pawn stayed on d5 until it was captured with 184.Nxd5 >

Amazing. If we'd only played another 140 moves, we might have set the record! Maybe it's a record in a consultation game.

Neither of those games cited are in this site's database.

Feb-17-08  dickduval: I think it's best to analyze a game by making a check mark next to any !!! or ??? move while it's going on, and then see if your opinion stands up when the game is over and you've replayed it at least twice. Sounds dull but it works.
Oct-03-08  Super Chess Man: I think this is a very poorly played game by all ! You should be ashamed of yourself !
Oct-03-08  just a kid: <Super Chess Man>How dare you say that!
Dec-07-08  hidude: wait, black got a draw out of the St. George? wow...
Jan-24-09  WhiteRook48: ok, 1...a6? is just weird
Feb-01-09  WhiteRook48: wait a minute, that was the St George Defense. 1...b5?! is just weird
Feb-05-09  WhiteRook48: Black might have won, like the Karpov-Miles game with the same thing Correction from my earlier post: I meant 2...b5
Aug-13-09  mack: Ah, good times.
Oct-11-09  The Chess Express: I have a healthy respect for this opening. I've actually dropped a game or two against. For what it's worth I've come to favor the following setup for white.

1. e4 a6
2. d4 b5
3. f4 Bb7
4. Bd3 Nf6
5. Qe2 e6
6. Nf3 c5
7. c3 Be7
8. O-O O-O

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Black has slightly better development. White has more space. Usually white can build up a slow, methodical attack from here while keeping black in check on the queenside.

I feel that this game was played at a very high level. Obviously <Super Chess Man>'s comment was a cry for attention. Congratulations are in order to both teams.

Oct-25-09  Qb6: I prefer 1. e4 a6 2. d4 b5 3. c4 ♗b7. Then the alternatives:

4. ♗d3? bxc4 5. ♗xc4 ♗xe4
4. ♘c3! b4 5. ♕b3 ♘c6
4. ♘d2!?

Oct-27-09  The Chess Express: One possible line might be

1. e4 b5
2. d4 a6
3. c4 Bb7
4. Nc3 b4
5. Qb3 Nc6
6. Ne2 e6
7. Nf3 Nf6
8. Ng3

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Feb-28-12  karnak64: Today's opening of the day, and I remember this game fondly -- the inaugural team challenge on IIRC.
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  OhioChessFan: Fond memories indeed. With the hidden voting, I think Team Black might have been more shocked than Team White at 1...a6.
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  Domdaniel: <Ohio> -- < With the hidden voting, I think Team Black might have been more shocked than Team White at 1...a6.> Very true. As I've said before, I changed my vote (from 1...e6 to 1...a6) at literally the last minute, so I feel some responsibility for the course of this game. It seems obvious that if those voting for 1...c5 and 1...e5 had known the real situation then one of those moves would have won.

However, I'm still bemused by those people who seem to think that 1...a6 is 'bizarre' or 'bound to lose'. If nothing else, we struck a blow for unusual openings. With a little more confidence, we might even have won.

Incidentally, am I right in thinking that hidden voting has not been used since?

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  OhioChessFan: Every so often this opening comes up as opening of the day and for old time's sake I take a look at this game. It sure beats the thought of looking at a game where we started 1...c5.

<Dom> no question that 1...c5 and 1...e5 voters wouldn't have allowed 1...a6 to win with open voting. Phooie on them.

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  OhioChessFan: <Annie: Perhaps this wasn't due to any organization - maybe it's just that, what with the vote numbers hidden, a few too many jokers over there thought voting for 1...a6 was funny. I wonder which team is more surprised now? ;p >

Ahh, the woman's intuition thing strikes again.

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  Annie K.: <Ohio> Oddly enough, I call it common sense. ;)
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