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|Mar-01-07|| ||OhioChessFan: <Artar> I don't know if you mean Bc7 or Bb6 above, but either of those were also dead draws. I realized quickly you were one of two people on your team far ahead of the curve regarding the drawn position.|
|Mar-01-07|| ||Artar1: Sorry...I made yet another typo...It was suppose to read 36...Bc7.|
OhioChessFan: <Wow, it seems our draw refusal really upset some people on Team Black.
It's not like we picked our noses and then wiped it on you all and then stuck a "kick me" sign on your back for extra measure.>
While these comments are regrettable, in my unpublished analysis, both 36...Be7 and 36...Bc7 led to draws.
Deep Fritz 10, one of the programs that I use, preferred 36...Bc7. Most of my team members also felt that moving the bishop to c6 was a "safer" method of drawing with fewer complications for Black.
Later, I demonstrated that Black's fortress was impenetrable after 36...Be7, leading to a drawn position, but my conclusion was not accepted immediately by everyone on my team. Some of my team members were still being influenced by the now outdated dogma, espoused by some chess authorities, that 1...a6 is bad for Black and should lead to an automatic loss every time. Of course this is not the case as this and other correspondence chess games have clearly shown.
Thus, it may appear that Team White, as a whole, had feelings of animosity toward Team Black for having played 1...a6. I think the truth is that these feelings of ill will were mostly limited to a few individuals on both sides who became overly invested in our game on an emotional and personal level, allowing their self worth to rise or fall on the game's ultimate outcome.
|Mar-01-07|| ||Artar1: OhioChessFan:
I think a good game was played, and I certainly learned a lot. If I plan to play 1.e4 over the board, I will now have to prepare a serious response to 1...a6 or even 1...b5. I cannot take these moves lightly.
|Mar-01-07|| ||shr0pshire: <OhioChessFan> A minority of the members of white's team openly mocked our moves more than once. Maybe there was a certain hubris with those few players on team white where they felt compelled to win at all costs in a friendly game. |
It is a shame they couldn't enjoy the game for what it was: a learning experience and fun.
|Mar-01-07|| ||ganstaman: <shr0pshire: Maybe there was a certain hubris with those few players on team white where they felt compelled to win at all costs in a friendly game.>|
Hmmm, to win at all costs.... Well, let's review the actions that either team could possibly take in this setting:
1) Make a move.
Ok, so that's it. They can't do anything in this game other than move (there's no delaying the game, there's no making loud noises, there's no trash talking you can see). So please explain how they were attempting to win at all costs if all they did was make moves?
Did they trash talk on their own forum? I'd imagine it's just talk -- no animosity, just a team bonding, morale lifting thing.
|Mar-02-07|| ||Artar1: shr0pshire:
Without giving away any secretes, the Team White to which I currently belong is acting much differently from my first team experience. The mood is festive and convivial, making it a pleasure to participate. There's even kidding and joking, and not at Team Black's expense. How refreshing! The atmosphere is a friendly one, which is a welcome relief.
|Jan-14-08|| ||D.Observer: Why draw?|
|Jan-14-08|| ||whatthefat: <D.Observer>
There is no way for either side to make progress.
|Feb-06-08|| ||OhioChessFan: Today's Quote from the home page.
If it were just a question of winning or losing, if it were not possible to play a brilliant game, to make an incredible queen sacrifice, to play the occasional shocking or outrageous move, then I suspect many people would not play chess. It simply would not be worth it; such a difficult game and with so few rewards.
--- Jonathan Levitt
|Feb-07-08|| ||D.Observer: A candidate for the longest immobility is black's 'a' .|
|Feb-07-08|| ||OhioChessFan: I was curious about that, <DO> so I took a look at Tim Krabbe's website. http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess/c... Here's what he had to say about immobile Pawns:|
<Vidarsson - Hjartarson, Iceland 1994, began with 1.e4 e5 and those pawns were still there when a draw was agreed after move 180.
Valkesalmi - Agopov, Finland 1998, began with 1.c4 c5 2.b3 d5 and that pawn stayed on d5 until it was captured with 184.Nxd5 >
Amazing. If we'd only played another 140 moves, we might have set the record! Maybe it's a record in a consultation game.
Neither of those games cited are in this site's database.
|Feb-17-08|| ||dickduval: I think it's best to analyze a game by making a check mark next to any !!! or ??? move while it's going on, and then see if your opinion stands up when the game is over and you've replayed it at least twice. Sounds dull but it works.|
|Oct-03-08|| ||Super Chess Man: I think this is a very poorly played game by all ! You should be ashamed of yourself !|
|Oct-03-08|| ||just a kid: <Super Chess Man>How dare you say that!|
|Dec-07-08|| ||hidude: wait, black got a draw out of the St. George? wow...|
|Jan-24-09|| ||WhiteRook48: ok, 1...a6? is just weird|
|Feb-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: wait a minute, that was the St George Defense. 1...b5?! is just weird|
|Feb-05-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Black might have won, like the Karpov-Miles game with the same thing
Correction from my earlier post: I meant 2...b5|
|Aug-13-09|| ||mack: Ah, good times.|
|Oct-11-09|| ||The Chess Express: I have a healthy respect for this opening. I've actually dropped a game or two against. For what it's worth I've come to favor the following setup for white. |
1. e4 a6
2. d4 b5
3. f4 Bb7
4. Bd3 Nf6
5. Qe2 e6
6. Nf3 c5
7. c3 Be7
8. O-O O-O
click for larger view
Black has slightly better development. White has more space. Usually white can build up a slow, methodical attack from here while keeping black in check on the queenside.
I feel that this game was played at a very high level. Obviously <Super Chess Man>'s comment was a cry for attention. Congratulations are in order to both teams.
|Oct-25-09|| ||Qb6: I prefer 1. e4 a6 2. d4 b5 3. c4 b7. Then the alternatives:|
4. d3? bxc4 5. xc4 xe4
4. c3! b4 5. b3 c6
|Oct-27-09|| ||The Chess Express: One possible line might be
1. e4 b5
2. d4 a6
3. c4 Bb7
4. Nc3 b4
5. Qb3 Nc6
6. Ne2 e6
7. Nf3 Nf6
click for larger view
|Feb-28-12|| ||karnak64: Today's opening of the day, and I remember this game fondly -- the inaugural team challenge on CG.com IIRC.|
|Oct-08-12|| ||OhioChessFan: Fond memories indeed. With the hidden voting, I think Team Black might have been more shocked than Team White at 1...a6.|
|Apr-09-14|| ||Domdaniel: <Ohio> -- < With the hidden voting, I think Team Black might have been more shocked than Team White at 1...a6.>
Very true. As I've said before, I changed my vote (from 1...e6 to 1...a6) at literally the last minute, so I feel some responsibility for the course of this game. It seems obvious that if those voting for 1...c5 and 1...e5 had known the real situation then one of those moves would have won.|
However, I'm still bemused by those people who seem to think that 1...a6 is 'bizarre' or 'bound to lose'. If nothing else, we struck a blow for unusual openings. With a little more confidence, we might even have won.
Incidentally, am I right in thinking that hidden voting has not been used since?
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