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Nov-23-10
 | | WinKing: <imag: 32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 <e5> seems to draw... Do we have anything for 34...e5?.> I am showing three moves here <imag>.
34...e5, 34...Qa7 & 34...g5 all seem possible(in that order). Your right that e5 seems to draw. But if she decides to avoid this. I am focusing on 34...e5 as this seems most likely. |
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Nov-23-10
| | WinKing: <Check It Out> on the WLAW list please put me down for <32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1> - thanks. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | Ezzy: 33 Bf1 is one of those moves where you wait with 'baited breath' for a reply, which could mean a sure draw or a possible spectacular win. That's going to be a tough decision. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | Tabanus: Here is a related sac:
32.Rxa8 Rxa8 33.Rb1 Ra4 34.Qd1 Ra2 35.Bf1 Bxf1 36.Qxf1 e5 37.Nf5 exd4 38.Qc4 <Ra5>* 39.Nd6 Nxc5 
click for larger view40.Nxf7! seems to work.
*But there is 38...Ra3, 38...Qa7 and 38...Ra8 :( |
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Nov-23-10
 | | lost in space: Proud to be member of this insightful team.
Can not provide a lot of analyzes for this game due to work load reasons. I let run fritz 11 on this line over night:
32. Rxa8 Rxa8 33. Bf1 Ba4 34. Qa2 Ra7
So far (d=22) the evaluations are negative and I am curious how fritz sees the position at d=28 or higher. Good night
More tomorrow. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | DaringSpeculator: <Check It Out>
I am looking at <32...Rxa8 33.h4> |
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Nov-23-10
| | Ezzy: After 33 Bf1 would she allow her bishop to be pinned on a4 and losing a tempo trying to defend against the pin. I somehow don't think she will. It would be a dream for the team if she did though. The only reason I can see her doing that, is because it gives positive evaluations for black by the computer. Will she be suspicious and check it thoroughly.
Nobody likes a pinned piece. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | imag: <WinKing> You may want to check 32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 e5 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qe4 Nd7 37.Qf5 Ra7 38.Qxh5 g6 39.Qg4 Nxc5 40.Nd2 and the queen is well placed to threaten h4-h5. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | jepflast: <imag: 32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 <e5> seems to draw... Do we have anything for 34...e5?> I tried to play out an entire game from this line last night. I had what <Ezzy> just posted as far as this: 34...e5 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qf5 Nxf3 37.Qxf3, then I had 37...Ra5 38. Qxh5. It is a long, grueling ending, where Black cannot advance the pawn due to king safety problems, and White is in total control. I think White has a chance; I wouldn't bail out of 33. Bf1 because of it. |
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Nov-23-10
| | imag: <jepflast> I agree, but in this line I have 36...Re8 petering out to dead draw. |
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Nov-23-10
 | | scormus: <Once ...> I think I could make <Doughnut voter> my handle. Work, sleep and domestic chores dont leave much time, but I did switch from Nc4/Rda1 in the last hour after work. Stick around, and <check out> my post on <check it out's> forum. I like to think that today ... we turned a corner. |
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Nov-23-10
| | WinKing: <imag: <WinKing> You may want to check 32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 e5 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qe4 Nd7 37.Qf5 Ra7 38.Qxh5 g6 39.Qg4 Nxc5 40.Nd2 and the queen is well placed to threaten h4-h5.> Ok will do <imag>. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | DaringSpeculator: I am looking at <32...Rxa8 33.h4>
It seems that 33...e5 is also a problem in this line. |
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Nov-23-10
| | Ezzy: If the team did decide to play 33 Bf1, it would be the longest 24 hours I've ever waited in anticipation of a reply :-) The wait would be too unbearable. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | DaringSpeculator: <Ezzy: If the team did decide to play 33 Bf1, it would be the longest 24 hours I've ever waited in anticipation of a reply :-)
The wait would be too unbearable.>
She might take an extension...and kill us all...:-) |
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Nov-23-10
| | imag: My line against e5:
32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 e5 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qe4 Nd7 37.Qf5 Ra7 38.Qxh5 g6 39.Qg4 Nxc5 40.Nd2 Ra2 41.h4! Bc3 42.Ndc4 Qe7 43.Qc8 Kh7 44.h5 <+0.3 and increasing> but probably tons of improvements for Black on moves 40-43 |
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Nov-23-10
| | jepflast: <32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Ba4> Anyone working on this should be clear that (after the forced 34. Qa2) <34...Ra7> has been sufficiently analyzed already, with White likely winning; Black won't play it. <34...Qd8 35. Ra1 Nxc5 36. dxc5 Bxa1 37. Qxa1 Bb5> is the main line right now. If you're working on <33. Rb1>, the current thinking is Black draws with
33. Rb1 Ra4 34. Qd1 Ra2 35. Bf1 Bxf1 36. Qxf1 e5 37. Qc4 Ra3 38. d5 Ra5 39. d6 Qa7 40. Nd2. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | whooops: I offer my forum for work on
<32...Rxa8 33.Rb1>: whooops, Tabanus, ... |
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| Nov-23-10 | | rapidcitychess: <Check it out>
My forum is for <32...Rxa8 33.Bf1>. 
click for larger view :D Yay, go team!
BTW... I'm now establishing that my computer is 4 core 32 bit Pentium. Just wanted to say. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | tensor: <<imag: <jepflast>> I agree, but in this line I have 36...Re8 petering out to dead draw.> 37.Qf5 ? |
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Nov-23-10
| | Ezzy: <DaringSpeculator: She might take an extension...and kill us all...:-)> Lol. That would deserve a !! for Natalia. 33...Extension!! Another week.... or 2 to find out whether there is a spectacular win, or whether she had seen the whole variation. |
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Nov-23-10
| | imag: <tensor> Queen is already on f5. 32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 e5 35.dxe5 Nxe5 36.Qf5 Re8 
click for larger viewBoth 37.Rd6 and 37.Nd2 are petering out, but maybe I haven't looked deep enough. |
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Nov-23-10
| | jepflast: <imag: My line against e5> Yeah, Black seems to have a wide array of choices on move 36, and on move 34 for that matter. I'm afraid it's too complex to analyze this far in advance. I'm hoping we find something interesting with <32...Rxa8 33. h4> or something else to compare against 33. Bf1. |
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| Nov-23-10 | | cormier: 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 12:dpa 24 only
1. = (0.00): 33.Nc4 g5 34.Re1 g4 35.Nfe5 Bxc4 36.Bxc6 Nxe5 37.Bxa8 Qa5 38.Rd1 Bd3 39.Qc1 Be2
2. = (-0.01): 33.Rb1 Qa7 34.Bf1 Bxf1 35.Kxf1 e5 36.dxe5 Nxe5 37.Nxe5 Bxe5 38.Kg2 g6 39.Qc4 Rc8 40.Nc2 Bf6
3. = (-0.11): 33.Qc3 Qa5 34.Qxa5 Rxa5 35.Bf1 Bxf1 36.Kxf1 g5 37.g4 hxg4 38.Nxg4 Kg7 39.Ke2 Ra2+ 40.Ke3 Ra3+ 41.Rd3 Ra1 42.Rb3 ..... for now |
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Nov-23-10
 | | Check It Out: WLAW:
<32...Rxa8 33.Bf1>: rapidcitychess <32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Ba4>: Golden Executive <32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Ba4 34.Qa2 Ra7>: lost in space <32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1>: DanLanglois, WinKing, YouRang <32...Rxa8 33.Bf1 Bxf1 34.Kxf1 e5>: imag, Ezzy <32...Rxa8 33.h4>: Check It Out, DaringSpeculator <32...Rxa8 33.Rc1>: <32...Rxa8 33.Rb1>: whooops, Tabanus <32...Rxa8 33.Nc4>: <32...Rxa8 33.Qd2>: <32...Rxa8 33.Qe4>: Let me know what lines you are looking at. |
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