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| Apr-23-12 | | karpkasp:  Hello everyone!
I'm not a specialist of the Albin countergambit, so I've done computer and internet investigations. Summary of the Computer's views after 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6:
5. Nbd2 is Houdini's 1.5a favorite. Then, Houdini favors 5... Nge7 after the main white's alternatives. 1) 5. Nbd2 Nge7  0.41/27
2) 5. a3 Nge7 0.28/27
3) 5. g3 Nge7 0.24/27
4) 5. Qd3!? Nge7 0.10/27
It's certainly too early for computer analysis, but it indicates that white has good alternatives. My internet investigations were successfull: I found this interesting link: http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/... In this link, the sentence below is very interesting in relation with the computer choice mentioned above: <attention has shifted to 5.Nbd2! which has been recomended (e.g.: by Eric Schiller and Angus Dunnington) as the easiest anti-Albin line, but few sources discuss the Morozevich and Nakamura response of 5...Nge7, which may now be one of the most important theoretical lines for the evaluation of the Albin as a whole. Those that do discuss this line at all give 6.Nb3 Nf5 7.e4 dxe3 8.Qxd8+ Nxd8 (8...Kxd8 9.Bxe3! Nxe3 10.fxe3 Bilguer!) 9.fxe3 with an endgame edge for White as proven in several games. Yet no GM has tried this widely accepted "refutation" against Morozevich or Nakamura! One can only guess that they assume the two are fully computer-prepped, and that the doubled e-pawns on an open file are a significant long-term weakness. > 
click for larger viewAny wiews about this ? |
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Apr-23-12
 | | hms123: This game is the most recent relatively high-level CC game starting <1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.a3> in my database:
click for larger viewPalladino, Mario (2044) -- Dulany, Larry D. (2316)
WSTT/2/11/3 (-) ICCF
2011.03.05 1/2-1/2
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 5.a3 Nge7 6.b4 Ng6 7.Bb2 a5 8.b5 Ncxe5 9.Nxe5 Nxe5 10.e3 Be6 11.Bxd4 Nxc4 12.Qc2 Nd6 13.Bd3 Qg5 14.f4 Qh4+ 15.g3 Qh3 16.Nc3 f6 17.e4 Rd8 18.Nd5 Bxd5 19.exd5 Be7 20.Kf2 Qh5 21.Rad1 O-O 22.h3 Kh8 23.b6 cxb6 24.Bxb6 Rde8 25.Rhe1 Bd8 26.Bd4 Qxd5 27.Qc5 Qxc5 28.Bxc5 Bc7 29.Kf3 1/2-1/2 |
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Apr-23-12
 | | capafan:  <AK>I hope no one got the wrong impression from my brief rant...just a personal thing on the color, however, I am just as willing to play any color just for the opportunity to share with old friends. :))<Black has to be aggressive in this opening or what was the point in offering a pawn in the first place.> <WinKing>'s comment is spot on...the whole purpose of the thematic challenge is to make the game more exciting....I am all for finding something early on that will throw white off its game. |
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Apr-23-12
 | | jepflast: My very early, tentative main line:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. a3 Nge7 6. Nbd2 Ng6 7. Nb3 Ngxe5
8. Nxe5 Nxe5 9. Qxd4 Qxd4 10. Nxd4
click for larger viewThen 10...Bd7 with some compensation for the pawn or 10...Nxc4 11. e4 and white quickly develops threats. At the moment I believe this is good enough that black will want to avoid this line by 5...Bg4 or something else. |
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Apr-23-12
 | | whiteshark: Here's another collection of online annotated games, partly overlapping with Goeller's sources. DL via rs https://rapidshare.com/files/377726... |
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Apr-23-12
| | jepflast: Update: 7...Be7 may be an improvement for Black. Gotta get that Tree up.... |
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Apr-23-12
 | | RandomVisitor: Yikes. |
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Apr-23-12
| | whiteshark: <RandomVisitor: Yikes.> ?? |
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Apr-23-12
 | | Interbond: <http://www.amazon.com/Passion-For-C...> This new book from september 2011 have 46 pages on the Albin Countergambit!
Unfortunately I don't have it. |
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Apr-23-12
 | | hoodrobin: Problem is the Albin <can't> be good, but noone has proved so yet.
It's the <chess beauty>. Black Team (problem #2) is very strong, lots of tactical players. We've got to prove Albin can't work! I hope they will go across each other (if I can say so). |
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Apr-23-12
 | | cro777: The main line with 7...a5
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 <5. a3> Nge7 6. b4 Ng6 7. Bb2
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<7...a5> 8. b5 Ncxe5 9. Qxd4 Qxd4 10. Bxd4 Nxc4 11. e3 Nd6
click for larger viewIllustrative correspondence game from the ongoing ICCF Thematic Tournament - Albin Countergambit. The start date of the tournament (qualifications) was 5 March 2011 (the end date is 5 September 2012). The game is from section 3. Two from each section go to the Final round. Mario Palladino of Italy (Guardia Sanframondi, Benevento) has already qualified scoring 7.5/10. Mario Palladino - Michel Aymard
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. a3 Nge7 6. b4 Ng6 7. Bb2 a5 8.
b5 Ncxe5 9. Qxd4 Qxd4 10. Bxd4 Nxc4 11. e3 Nd6 12. Nbd2 Bd7 13. a4 Nf5 14.
Bc3 Bb4 15. Bxb4 axb4 16. Bd3 Ke7 17. O-O Nd6 18. Rfb1 c5 19. bxc6 bxc6 20.
Nb3 Rhb8 21. a5 Nb5 22. Rb2 Kd6 23. Rd2 Kc7 24. Bxb5 Rxb5 25. Nfd4 Rbb8 26.
Rc2 h6 27. f3 Re8 28. e4 Reb8 29. Nc5 Bc8 30. g3 Ne7 31. Nd3 Bd7 32. Rc5 b3
33. Rb1 Be6 34. f4 g6 35. Re5 Kd6 36. Kf2 h5 37. Nxe6 fxe6 38. Rd1 Rb5 39.
Nb2+ Kc7 40. Rxe6 Nc8 41. Rxg6 Raxa5 42. Rg7+ Kb8 43. f5 Ra2 44. Rb1 Nd6
45. Kf3 Ra7 46. Rxa7 Kxa7 47. Rd1 Nf7 48. Rd7+ Rb7 49. Rxb7+ Kxb7 50. Kf4
Kc7 51. e5 Nh6 52. h3 Kd8 53. g4 hxg4 54. hxg4 Ke7 55. g5
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Apr-23-12
 | | blue wave: Can we take the pawn back and get away with it in this opening? 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 dxc4 4. Qxd8+ Kxd8 5. Nc3 Nc6. 
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Apr-23-12
 | | kutztown46: Here are some lines to look at:
After 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. g3:
click for larger viewAnalysis by Stockfish 2.2.2 JA (29-ply):
1. (0.28): 5...Nge7 6.Bg2 Ng6 7.0-0 Ngxe5 8.Nxe5 2. (0.60): 5...Bf5 6.Bg2 Qd7 7.0-0 0-0-0 8.Nbd2 f6 9.Qa4 Kb8 10.Nb3 Nxe5 11.Qxd7 Bxd7 12.Nfxd4 Nxc4 13.Bf4 g5 14.Rfc1 gxf4 15.Rxc4 fxg3 16.hxg3 b6 17.Nc6+ Bxc6 18.Rxc6 Bd6 19.Rc2 Ne7 20.Nd4 Be5 21.Ne6 3.  (0.76): 5...a5 6.Bg2 Bc5 7.0-0 Nge7 8.Bf4 Ng6 9.Nbd2 Ba7 10.a4 0-0 11.Nb3 Bg4 12.c5 f6 13.exf6 Bxf3 14.Bxf3 Nxf4 15.gxf4 Qxf6 16.Bxc6 Qxc6 17.Nxd4 Qg6+ 18.Kh1 Qf7 4. (0.76): 5...Bc5 6.Bg2 a5 7.0-0 Nge7 8.Bf4 Ng6 9.Nbd2 Ba7 10.a4 0-0 11.Nb3 Bg4 12.c5 f6 13.exf6 Bxf3 14.Bxf3 Nxf4 15.gxf4 Qxf6 16.Bxc6 Qxc6 17.Nxd4 Qg6+ 18.Kh1 Qf7 5. (0.84): 5...Be6 6.Bg2 Bxc4 7.0-0 Qd7 8.Nbd2 Be6 9.Ng5 Bd5 10.Bh3 Qe7 11.Ngf3 h5 12.Nb3 Bxf3 13.exf3 h4 14.Nxd4 Nxd4 15.Qxd4 hxg3 16.Qg4 gxh2+ 17.Kxh2 Rh4 18.Qg3 Rh5 6. (0.84): 5...f6 6.exf6 Nxf6 7.Bg2 Bf5 8.0-0 Qd7 9.Qb3 Bc5 10.Bf4 0-0 11.Qb5 Bd6 12.Bxd6 cxd6 13.Rd1 Bc2 14.Rd2 Be4 15.Na3 Rae8 16.Nc2 Bxc2 17.Rxc2 Kh8 18.Rd1 a6 19.Qb6 Ne4 7. (0.88): 5...Bg4 6.Bg2 f6 7.exf6 Nxf6 8.0-0 Qd7 9.Qb3 Bc5 10.h3 Bxf3 11.Qxf3 0-0 12.Nd2 a5 13.Nb3 Ba7 14.Bf4 Rae8 15.Nc1 Ne4 16.Qg4 Qxg4 17.hxg4 Bb6 18.Nd3 Nb4 19.Nxb4 axb4 20.g5 Nc5 8. (1.13): 5...Qd7 6.Bg2 Nge7 7.0-0 Ng6 8.e3 dxe3 9.Bxe3 Qxd1 10.Rxd1 Ncxe5 11.Nbd2 Nxf3+ 12.Nxf3 Bd6 13.c5 Be7 14.Nd4 0-0 15.Nb5 c6 16.Nd6 Rd8 17.f4 Bf6 18.Bf3 Ne7 19.Ne4 |
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Apr-23-12
| | hoodrobin: Why is Hardinge Simpole Publishing copying <my> Avatar?!
:) |
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Apr-23-12
| | RandomVisitor: Critical seems to be the strange 5.a3 line: <Rybka4.1> [+0.47] d=27 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 <5.a3> Nge7 6.Nbd2 Ng6 7.Nb3 Be7 8.Nbxd4 Ncxe5 9.h4 h5 10.Bg5 f6 11.Bd2 c5 12.Nxe5 Nxe5 13.Nf3 Bd6 14.Qc2 O–O 15.Nxe5 Bxe5 16.Rd1 (2:46:12) 2335103kN |
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Apr-23-12
| | blue wave: <Kutz46> Interestingly hiarcs opening book ranks 5.a3 as top move in this line. 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 *
click for larger view5. a3
5. g3
5. Nbd2
5. Bf4
5. Qa4
5. Bg5
5. e3
So white has a lot of options at move 5 here. |
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Apr-23-12
| | capafan: <RV><Critical seems to be the strange 5.a3 line: <Rybka4.1> [+0.47] d=27 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 <5.a3> Nge7 6.Nbd2 Ng6 7.Nb3 Be7 8.Nbxd4 Ncxe5 9.h4 h5 10.Bg5 f6 11.Bd2 c5 12.Nxe5 Nxe5 13.Nf3 Bd6 14.Qc2 O–O 15.Nxe5 Bxe5 16.Rd1 (2:46:12) 2335103kN> I am currently analyzing a transposition of the above line (5.Nd2 Nge7 6.a3 Ng6). I had previously looked at 6...Nf5 in this same line which is shown in one of the links I previously posted...I did not like Nf5. I will post some thoughts tomorrow. a3 factors prominently in similar lines as a precursor to b4 keeping the Black bishop out of a possible strong outpost on c5. |
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Apr-23-12
 | | AylerKupp: <blue wave> GM Avrukh in his "Grandmaster Repertoire: 1.d4, Volume I" says that after 3...dxc4 4.Qxd8+ Kxd8 5.Nc3 that "This endgame s much better for White, as Black's king is badly placed in the centre and White will win a few important tempos (Bg5, 0-0-0) to quickly develop his pieces." But while the tempo gains may be true that doesn't necessarily translate into a winning advantage for White. It would take an endgame expert to answer that question since I doubt that the engines would give us an accurate answer that far into the future. But, like almost everything else, it's worth looking at and maybe Black has a better move than 5...Ng6 (5...Be6? 5...Bb4? 5...Ne7?). |
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Apr-24-12
 | | Sneaky: <Critical seems to be the strange 5.a3> Playing a3 is a temptation for White always in this opening. Not to say it's always bad, but you even see 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 d4 4.a3?! because people fear the tactics so much. White might be thinking "I saw that game where Balogh toasted the guy with ...Bb4+!! and I don't want to end up like that!" And a3 certainly prevents ...Bb4+. So a3 for White is a "tactic stopper". If that's all a3 accomplished it would be one of those patzer moves that just creates weakness for no good reason. However it's far more than just that. White naturally wants to expand with a3/b4. Since Black often plays 0-0-0, it's good to have the pawn storm already already brewing. |
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Apr-24-12
 | | YouRang: Hi folks. I'm here because I was assigned randomly -- not because I knew anything about the black side of the Albin (or any of the other chipmunks for that matter). |
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Apr-24-12
| | blue wave: <AK> I think your right about the Queen exchange line. Besides, seems a bit boring with Queens coming of the board so early. Black certainly doesn't get an advantage out of it. Still I found it interesting to have a look at. |
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Apr-24-12
| | RandomVisitor: Basically, our opponent has a half pawn advantage. <Rybka4.1> [+0.50] d=28 3.dxe5 d4 4.Nf3 Nc6 <5.a3> Bg4 6.Nbd2 Qe7 7.h3 Bxf3 8.Nxf3 O–O–O 9.Bf4 g6 10.g3 f6 11.exf6 Nxf6 12.Bg2 d3 13.Kf1 dxe2+ 14.Qxe2 Qxe2+ 15.Kxe2 Bg7 16.Rhe1 Nh5 17.Be3 Bxb2 18.Rab1 (13:09:15) 4210759kN |
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Apr-24-12
| | cro777: The main line with 7...Ngxe5
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 <5. a3> Nge7 6. b4 Ng6 7. Bb2
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<7... Ncxe5 8. Nxe5 Nxe5 9. e3 Be6 10. Bxd4 Nxc4 11. Qc2 Nd6
12. Bd3
click for larger viewA Valsecchi vs P Bontempi, 2012 |
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Apr-24-12
| | cro777: Hello <karpkasp>. Will you take a look with Houdini at the critical position after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 e5 3. dxe5 d4 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. a3 Nge7 6. b4 Ng6 7. Bb2 a5 8.
b5 Ncxe5 9. Qxd4 Qxd4 10. Bxd4 Nxc4 11. e3 Nd6
(these are the best moves for both sides). |
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Apr-24-12
| | hms123: <cro777> Here is a 25-ply run with Stockfish 2.2.2:
click for larger viewAnalysis by Stockfish 2.2.2 JA:
1. (0.56): 12.Be2 Bd7 13.b6 c6 14.Nbd2 f6 15.0-0 Be7 16.Rfd1 Bg4 17.Rac1 0-0 18.a4 Rfd8 19.Bc5 Nf7 20.Nb3 Nd6 21.Nbd4 Ne5 22.Nxe5 Bxe2 23.Nxe2 fxe5 24.f4 2. (0.56): 12.Bd3 Bf5 13.Be2 Bd7 14.b6 c6 15.Nbd2 f6 16.0-0 Be7 17.Rfd1 Bg4 18.Rac1 0-0 19.a4 Rfd8 20.Bc5 Nf7 21.Nb3 Nd6 22.Nbd4 Ne5 23.Nxe5 Bxe2 24.Nxe2 fxe5 3. (0.44): 12.Nbd2 Bd7 13.Rb1 0-0-0 14.Be2 f6 15.0-0 b6 16.Rfd1 Kb8 17.a4 Nb7 18.Bc3 Nc5 19.Ra1 Be7 20.h3 Rhe8 21.Nd4 Ne5 22.Ra2 Be6 23.Nxe6 Nxe6 4. (0.52): 12.Bb2 Bd7 13.Nc3 c6 14.bxc6 bxc6 15.h4 h5 16.Bd3 Be7 17.Ne4 Nxe4 18.Bxe4 0-0 19.0-0-0 Rfd8 20.Rd2 Be6 21.Nd4 Bd5 22.Bxd5 cxd5 23.Nf5 Rab8 24.Rc2 5. = (0.16): 12.b6 c6 13.Nbd2 f6 14.Be2 Be7 15.0-0 Be6 16.Rac1 Kf7 17.Bc5 Rhd8 (hms123, 24.04.2012) |
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