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MOVES:
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4 Nh5 10.Re1 f5 11.a4 a5 12.bxa5 Rxa5 13.Nd2 Nf6 14.Nb3 Ra8 15.f3 c5 16.Bd2 f4 17.a5 g5 18.Na4 Ng6 19.Nb6 Ra6 20.Rb1 h5 21.Nxc8 Qxc8 22.Nc1 Rf7 23.Nd3 Bf8 24.Kh1 Be7 25.Rg1 Rg7 26.Rb5 Bd8 27.g3 Qd7 28.gxf4 gxf4 29.Bc3 Kh7 30.Qb1 Ra7 31.Qe1 Kh6 32.Bxe5 dxe5 33.Nxc5 Qe7 34.Ne6 Rg8 35.Qc3 Nd7 36.c5 Ndf8 37.Nxd8 Qxd8 38.Bd3 Rg7 39.Bf1 Ra6 40.Qb4 Ra7 41.Qd2 Ra6 42.d6 Qc8 43.Qg2 Nh7 44.Bc4 Qd7 45.Bd5 Qxb5 46.Bf7 h4 47.Qxg6+ 1/2-1/2
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< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 271 OF 271 ·  Later Kibitzing>
Mar-10-16  mistermac: <11. a4 Nf6 12. Bd3 h6 13. Ba3 f4 14. c5 g5 15. b5 Ng6 16. b6 cb6 17. cd6 a6 18. Rb1 g4 19. Nd2 Bd7 20. Nc4 Rc8 21. Qd2 b5 22. ab5 Nh5 23. ba6 b5 24. Nb5 Qh4 25. f3 gf3 26. gf3 Ng3 27. Nb6 Qg5 28. hg3 Nh4 29. Rf1 Qg3 30. Kh1 Nf3 31. Rf3 Qf3 32. Qg2 Qh5 33. Qh2 Qf3 34. Qg2 Qd3 35. Rg1 Rf7 36. Nc8 Bh3 37. Ne7 Re7 38. de7 Bg2 39. Rg2 Qd1>

How about this line as played in a recent game?

Mar-10-16  DanLanglois: <AylerKupp: <optimal play> I'll just say that <DanLanglois> has his own "style",..And, upon reflection, he acknowledged that :looking back over my remarks, I find them intemperate".>

I really didn't want to accept the drawn outcome, here, but really why should I? I'd be more ashamed of having spent months posting nothing but 'it'll never work it's a draw', you know?

Mar-10-16  DanLanglois: I want to commend our opponents, though, for not making mistakes!! Congrats to both sides on a well-played game.
Mar-10-16  DanLanglois: I acknowledge the query about whether I am deluded -- I'm embarrassed and sorrowful and hoping that enthusiasm is a beautiful thing, as far as it goes..
Mar-11-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  optimal play: <DanLanglois: I acknowledge the query about whether I am deluded ...>

Those comments were said "tongue in cheek".

Not at all meant seriously.

You're a fighter, Dan!

Obviously a great asset to your team!

But with <RandomVisitor> on our side, we were never going to make a serious miscalculation!

Hence the amusement with all those 1-0 scenarios!

;)

Mar-11-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  cro777: "Pushing the a-pawn" positional method. (<kwid>:"The question before us is why a4").

The move 12.a4 was also the subject of intense discussion in the previous challenge The World vs Naiditsch, 2014

Interestingly, today in the first round of the Candidates' Tournament 2016, Anand and Topalov repeated the opening of that game (Anti-Berlin with 4.d3), but instead of 12.a4 Anand opted for 12.a3.

Here is how <RandomVisitor> had explained his inclination towards this move: "My explanation for my interest in 12.a3: 'No matter what you do it's bound to be a waste of time in the end so you might as well go mad.'"

Mar-11-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  YouRang: <"The question before us is why a4">

My recollection is that it had something to do with trying to find <cro777>'s black cat in a dark room (with uncertainty about whether the cat actually existed).

Or maybe that consideration came up later...

The only thing we know for certain is that we never found it.

Mar-11-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  cro777: In fact, in the aforementioned game it is Anand who played 12.a4 while the World Team followed <RandomVisitor>'s suggestion 12.a3.

According to Maxime Vachier Lagrave 12.a4 is an improvement over 12.a3 which, according to him looks useless. ("At least 12.a4 creates a direct threat").

Mar-11-16  blue wave: <RV> <Komodo 9.2 60:10:0:0

16...f4

+0.31/45 17.a5 g5 18.Na4 Ng6 19.Nb6 Ra7 20.Rf1 Bd7 21.Nxd7 Qxd7 22.Qc2 Rfa8 23.Rfb1 g4 24.fxg4 Nxg4

16...Kh8

+0.20/42 16...Kh8 17.a5 Ra6 18.Rb1 Rf7 19.Qc2 f4 20.Na4 g5 21.Qd3 Neg8 22.Nb6 g4 23.Nxc8 Qxc8 24.fxg4> <page 113>

Our vote for move 16 was tight. The move <16...Kh8> nearly got in. I do wonder in hindsight if this move may have made our game slightly easier as black? Hard to say really?

Mar-12-16  nite: Many hard-to-says in this game. The impossible-to-says are my favorite part of chess: a position that a team of Super GMs with super computers, spending months, couldn't agree on. This game had a lot of that. Thanks, all!
Mar-13-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Tiggler: <DanLanglois: I acknowledge the query about whether I am deluded -- I'm embarrassed and sorrowful and hoping that enthusiasm is a beautiful thing, as far as it goes..>

If enthusiasm and hard work were enough, <DanLanglois> would have won this game for white.

Mar-15-16  mistermac: 5 pages of perfunctory post mortem.

Thanks for the game. Let's all go home.

Mar-16-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  kutztown46: Wait a minute. I've only read the first 100 pages of kibitzing!
Mar-16-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  perfidious: <kutztown46: Wait a minute. I've only read the first 100 pages of kibitzing!>

Slacker. (laughs)

Mar-18-16  morfishine: <DanLanglois: ...I'm embarrassed and sorrowful and hoping that enthusiasm is a beautiful thing, as far as it goes...> Enthusiasm is the basis of everything; but particularly those original ideas we dream up from time to time
Mar-28-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: How Team White voted:

1.d4 21 votes (61.8%)
1.e4 11 votes (32.4%)
1.other 2 votes (5.8%)

(34 votes total)

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2.c4 13 votes (52.0%)
2.Nf3 5 votes (20.0%)
2.Bg5 3 votes (12.0%)
2.other 4 votes (16.0%)

(25 votes total)

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3.Nc3 20 votes (83.3%)
3.Nf3 3 votes (12.5%)
3.other 1 vote (4.2%)

(24 votes total)

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4.e4 23 votes (92.0%)
4.Nf3 2 votes (8.0%)
4.other 0 votes (0.0%)

(25 votes total)

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5.Nf3 14 votes (51.9%)
5.f3 10 votes (37.0%)
5.h3 2 votes (7.4%)
5.other 1 vote (3.7%)

(27 votes total)

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6.Be2 13 votes (56.5%)
6.h3 10 votes (43.5%)
6.other 0 votes (0.0%)

(23 votes total)

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7.O-O 18 votes (72.0%)
7.d5 5 votes (20.0%)
7.other 2 votes (8.0%)

(25 votes total)

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8.d5 22 votes (88.0%)
8.dxe5 2 votes (8.0%)
8.other 1 vote (4.0%)

(25 votes total)

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9.b4 14 votes (50.0%)
9.Ne1 12 votes (42.9%)
9.Bg5 2 votes (7.1%)
9.other 0 votes (0.0%)

(28 votes total)

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10.Re1 12 votes (44.4%)
10.c5 12 votes (44.4%)
10.Bd2 2 votes (7.4%)
10.other 1 vote (3.8%)

(27 votes total)

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11.a4 14 votes (48.3%)
11.Ng5 10 votes (34.5%)
11.Rb1 4 votes (13.8%
11.other 1 vote (3.4%)

(29 votes total)

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12.bxa5 17 votes (63.0%)
12.b5 5 votes (18.5%)
12.Ba3 5 votes (18.5%)
12.other 0 votes (0.0%)

(27 votes total)

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13.Nd2 20 votes (76.9%)
13.Bd2 4 votes (15.4%)
13.other 2 votes (7.7%)

(26 votes total)

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14.Nb3 22 votes (78.6%)
14.f3 4 votes (14.3%)
14.other 2 votes (7.1%)

(28 votes total) votes

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15.f3 22 votes (91.7%)
15.Bd3 2 votes (8.3%)
15.other 0 votes (0.0%)

(24 votes total)

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16.Bd2 14 votes (51.9%)
16.Be3 5 votes (18.5%)
16.dxc6 3 votes (11.1%)
16.a5 3 votes (11.1%)
16.other 2 votes (7.4%)

(27 votes total)

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17.a5 13 votes (52.0%)
17.Nc1 11 votes (44.0%)
17.other 1 vote (4.0%)

(25 votes total)

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18.Na4 20 votes (87.0%)
18.other 3 votes (13.0%)

(23 votes total)

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19.Nb6 21 votes (95.5%)
19.other 1 vote (4.5%)

(22 votes total)

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20.Rb1 15 votes (65.2%)
20.Nxc8 4 votes (17.4%)
20.Qc2 4 votes (17.4%)
20.other 0 votes (0.0%)

(23 votes total)

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21.Nxc8 15 votes (71.4%)
21.Nc1 4 votes (19.0%)
21.other 2 votes (9.6%)

(21 votes total)

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22.Nc1 21 votes (91.3%)
22.other 2 votes (8.7%)

(23 votes total)

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23.Nd3 19 votes (82.6%)
23.0-1 2 votes (8.7%)
23.other 2 votes (8.7%)

(23 votes total)

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24.Kh1 15 votes (57.7%)
24.Rb5 6 votes (23.1%)
24.Rb3 3 votes (11.5%)
24.other 2 votes (7.7%)

(26 votes total)

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Mar-28-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: How Team White voted(continued)

25.Rg1 16 votes (72.7%)
25.Rb5 5 votes (22.7%)
25.other 1 vote (4.6%)

(22 votes total)

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26.Rb5 19 votes (86.4%)
26.other 3 votes (13.6%)

(22 votes total)

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27.g3 17 votes (81.0%)
27.Qb3 4 votes (19.0%)
27.other 0 votes (0.0%)

(21 votes total)

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28.gxf4 16 votes (61.5%)
28.Qb1 2 votes (7.7%)
28.Qc2 2 votes (7.7%)
28.Qc1 2 votes (7.7%)
28.other 4 votes (15.4%)

(26 votes total)

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29.Bc3 18 votes (81.8%)
29.other 4 votes (18.2%)

(22 votes total)

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30.Qb1 17 votes (68.0%)
30.Bf1 5 votes (20.0%)
30.other 3 votes (12.0%)

(25 votes total)

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31.Qe1 11 votes (52.4%)
31.Bf1 5 votes (23.8%)
31.Rxg6 3 votes (14.3%)
31.other 2 votes (9.5%)

(21 votes total)

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32.Bxe5 16 votes (84.2%)
32.Bf1 2 votes (10.5%)
32.other 1 vote (5.3%)

(19 votes total)

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33.Nxc5 20 votes (95.2%)
33.other 1 vote (4.8%)

(21 votes total)

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34.Ne6 22 votes (91.7%)
34.other 2 votes (8.3%)

(24 votes total)

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35.Qc3 15 votes (62.5%)
35.c5 6 votes (25.0%)
35.other 3 votes (12.5%)

(24 votes total)

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36.c5 24 votes (96.0%)
36.other 1 vote (4.0%)

(25 votes total - draw requests: 4 (16.0%))

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37.Nxd8 19 votes (95.0%)
37.other 1 vote (5.0%)

(20 votes total)

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38.Bd3 14 votes (73.7%)
38.Bf1 4 votes (21.1%)
38.other 1 vote (5.2%)

(19 votes total)

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39.Bf1 16 votes (80.0%)
39.a6 2 votes (10.0%)
39.other 2 votes (10.0%)

(20 votes total - draw requests: 4 (20.0%))

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40.Qb4 14 votes (73.7%)
40.Bh3 2 votes (10.5%)
40.Rxb7 2 votes (10.5%)
40.other 1 vote (5.3%)

(19 votes total - draw requests: 4 (21.1%))

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41.Qd2 17 votes (73.9%)
41.a6 3 votes (13.0%)
41.other 3 votes (13.0%)

(23 votes total - draw requests: 11 (47.8%))

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42.d6 14 votes (53.8%)
42.Qa2 9 votes (34.6%)
42.other 3 votes (11.5%)

(26 votes total - draw requests: 8 (30.8%))

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43.Qg2 21 votes (87.5%)
43.Bc4 2 votes (8.3%)
43.other 1 vote (4.2%)

(24 votes total - draw requests: 8 (33.3%))

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44.Bc4 21 votes (95.5%)
44.other 1 vote (4.5%)

(22 votes total - draw requests: 8 (36.4%))

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45.Bd5 19 votes (70.4%)
45.Rgb1 2 votes (7.4%)
45.other 6 votes (22.2%)

(27 votes total - draw requests: 10 (37.0%))

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46.Bf7 23 votes (100%)

(23 votes total - draw requests: 8 (34.8%))

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47.Qxg6+ 21 votes (80.8%)
47.Qg4 4 votes (15.4%)
47.other 1 votes (3.8%)

(26 votes total - draw requests: 15 (57.7%)) (1131 votes total in game - 24.1 vote avg. per move)

Draw offered - Draw accepted

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(Draw requests were listed only if over 10% of the total vote)

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May-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  cro777: Modern chess preparation - Computer as sparing partner.

"During practice, the grandmaster analyzes different strategies with his coaches, but they try them out only on a computer.

According to Karjakin, a player at his level requires quite expensive hardware and software. The total cost exceeds $50,000.

Karjakin tries out every element of the game using the computer: attack, defense, holding position, strategy while playing black and white. The computer also helps to prepare for a particular enemy: It simulates the game of the next opponent based on all the match games stored in the database."

http://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/...

Aug-28-16  victim2: I am confused. Was this a well played game...or not?

It appears way too *clunky*

Did either side hope to win?

This game leaves more questions than it answers, and I can analyze but I dont agree with any move (personally)

That could just be my level as a patzer, but dang...

Aug-29-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <victim2> I would say that Team White played an excellent game, but maybe I'm biased. ;-)
Aug-30-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  auh2o: My impression during the game was that white began with the usual advantage and had some prospects for a greater advantage but that black inventively and successfully resisted.
Aug-30-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <auh2o> To me the interesting part of the game started with 32.Bxe5 when White gets 2 pawns for the bishop, the initiative, and a beautifully posted (although not for long) Ne6. Alas, Team Black had apparently evaluated this position all the way to its conclusion and determined that they could hold. And they were right.

The final nail in the coffin for me as far as White's winning chances I described in this post: Team White vs Team Black, 2015 (kibitz #6546). With 2 connected passed pawns for a minor piece, first on the 6th rank and then on the 7th (!) rank, White still has nothing better than a draw since Black can force a draw by repetition.

Aug-30-16  RandomVisitor: <AylerKupp>That is right, we saw the draw ahead of time. We played out of the opening book as far as we could, then tried to find any attacking lines. We were not able to find any playable lines, so we went for the draw only as a last resort.
Aug-30-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  OhioChessFan: I'm not alone in that I thought there was nothing interesting, and an inevitable draw, after the inexplicable 9. b4.
Jan-06-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  The Chess Express: I tend to agree. The KID is a tough nut to crack. I'm not a big fan of 5. Nf3 in general. I prefer the complications of the Saemisch or the Four Pawns.
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