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Can large groups of chess fans team up to create a chess masterpiece? Find out in Chessgames Challenge!  You can vote for the move you think is best, and discuss the game with other members in the Kibitzer's Corner.

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MOVES:
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.Bc4 Rf8 7.O-O Qe8 8.b4 Bxb4 9.c3 Ba5 10.d4 d6 11.f4 Bb6 12.Kh1 exd4 13.e5 Ng4 14.exd6+ cxd6 15.h3 Ne3 16.Re1 Kd7 17.Bxe3 dxe3 18.Na3 Qe7 19.Nb5 h6 20.Ne6 Rf6 21.Nbc7 Bxc7 22.Rxe3 Bb6 23.Re1 g6 24.Rb1 Rxe6 25.Bxe6+ Qxe6 26.Rxe6 Kxe6 27.f5+ gxf5 28.Qh5 Ke7 29.Qxh6 Be6 30.Qg7+ Bf7 31.Rf1 Rg8 32.Qh7 Ne5 33.Rxf5 Rf8 34.h4 Rc8 35.Qg7 Rc4 36.g4 Ke8 37.h5 Re4 38.h6 Re1+ 39.Kh2 Re2+ 40.Kg3 Re3+ 41.Kg2 Bd5+ 42.Kf1 Bc4+ 43.Kf2 Rxc3+ 44.Ke1 Nf3+ 45.Kd1 Rd3+ 46.Kc1 Be3+ 47.Kb1 Rd1+ 48.Kc2 Rc1+ 49.Kb2 Bd4+ 50.Qxd4 Nxd4 51.Kxc1 Bg8 52.Rf6 Ke7 53.Rg6 Kf8 54.Rxd6 Ne6 55.h7 1-0
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Kibitzer's Corner
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Jun-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Lambda: I've been running the auto-search script on the team white plan after 19...Rf6 of 20.Rb1 Kd8 21.Qd5 Bd7 <22.Red1> and it seems to be holding up quite well, e.g. 22...Na5 23.Be2 Rf5 24.Qg8+ Rf8 25.Qxh7 Bc5 26.Qd3 Rxf4 27.Nxd6 Qxd6 28.Qxd6 Bxd6 29.Rxd6 Ke7 30.Rd3 Bf5 31.Rxe3+ Kf6 32.Rb5 Nc4 33.Bxc4 Rxc4 34.Ree5 Kxg5 35.Rxf5+ Kg6


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Winnable?

Jun-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Lambda: Probably not, looking deeper. But 26.Qd3 may be a mistake.
Jun-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Lambda: Okay, now I've fed it 26.Rd5 in that line, it's looking at an exchange sacrifice with 22...g6 23.Ne4 Rf5 24.Qd3 <Rxb5> 25.Rxb5 Kc7 26.Qxd6+ Qxd6 27.Nxd6 Rf8 28.Be2 a6 29.Rb2 Rxf4 30.Nxb7 Rf2 31.Nd6 Ne5 32.Ne4 Rf4 33.Ng5 h6 34.Nf3 Nxf3 35.Bxf3 Bb5 36.c4 Rxc4 37.Be2 Rc5 38.Bxb5 axb5


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I have suspicions that this is a draw.

Jun-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  kwid: <Lambda:> <I have suspicions that this is a draw>

Yes both of your shown lines confirm that 19...Rf6 instead of h6 would have secured a draw for us.


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Jun-12-18  Nickster: <kwid: <Nickster:> < 30.Rad1 > ed5 should hold with the a3 pawn protected by the DCB and their pawns on one wing. even Bxf2+ or Qf7 should hold also.>

Just got home from work and finally had the chance to look at the resulting lines. Despite the high evaluations it looks like a draw. If there is a forced win somewhere I could not find it.

Jun-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  kwid: <centralfiles: OFF TOPIC> <Kwid>< Did you ever take a deep look at the mortimer variation of the 4.d3 ruy? 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.d3 4...Ne7!? >

No; but when looking at the position with Bb5/d3 blacks Ne7 seems justified since Nxe5 forces a piece sacrifice because of Qa5+/Qxe5 option and presence a challenge to white creativity for maintaining its first move advantage.

The timid d3 move with the idea to set up with c3/Ba4/Bc2/Nbd2/Ndf1 etc hoping to exploit any black weakness or mount a king side attack in the long run is well met with Ne7!? even in violation of an important opening principle not to move a piece twice in the opening phase.

Jun-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  kwid: <Nickster: Despite the high evaluations it looks like a draw. If there is a forced win somewhere I could not find it.>

It does look now that the Traxler line Bf7/Bc4/b4 is a theoretical draw for the sake of history.

But I am still awaiting RV's final conclusion about this line.

Jun-12-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <<Nickster> The <fabulous line>. Nice find actually. Kudos to <AylerKupp>.>

Thanks. But I had nothing to do with it, it was Stockfish 8 who did all the work. Besides, as <kwid> pointed out, 13...Nc6 as originally indicated by Stockfish 8, is not Black’s best move. 13...Nc4 as pointed out by <kwid> gives Black better chances as does 13...Ng6 as later pointed out by Stockfish (as well as 13...Nc4).

So, as though more evidence is needed, none of the evaluations I posted (to be followed soon by the actual moves) should not be considered anything more than initial attempts to find the best moves by Black. <ALL> the lines need to be subjected to human verification and engine forward sliding before one can reach any definitive conclusions.

Which, as usual, reminds me of a story. Many (many, many) years ago at a party I found myself tending bar. As people asked me for a particular drink, I measured the amounts of the ingredients and made them their drinks.

One of the partygoers asked me why I bothered to measure the amounts of ingredients and why couldn’t I could just eyeball the amounts. I responded “Well, if I eyeball the amounts and you don’t like the drink, you’ll justifiably blame it on me. But if I measure the amounts and you don’t like the drink, I can always justifiably blame on the measure.”

Likewise, if the line I posted turns out not to be the best, I can always blame it on the engine that came up with the evaluation. :-)

Jun-13-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  kwid: <Dec-11-17 kwid: OK, the expected line is: 15.h3 Ne3 16.Re1 Kd7 17.Bxe3 dxe3 18.Na3 Qe7 19.Nb5 Rf6>

I need to apologize to the team for not being able to build the necessary consent to get it voted in.

Jun-13-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <Traxler Detailed Analysis Part 1 – 7.0-0 to 29.Qxh6>

I’ve finally completed reformatting the detailed analysis for the first set of analyses I generated, from 7.0-0 to 29.Qxh6. You can download the analysis in *.zip format from here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/rh2hi....

The detailed analysis is a set of Word files, one for each move, with each file consisting of 3 parts:

1. Summary of Black’s choices after each Team White move. The moves that were considered by each of the engines in Team HKS (Houdini, Komodo, Stockfish) to be among their top 5 moves and their evaluations.

2. Analysis by engine. Detailed analysis of the lines of the top 5 moves as determined by each engine; their evaluation and moves.

3. Analysis by move. For each move identified by at least one of the engines as being among their top 5 moves, the position after that move was made and the engines’ evaluation and lines for that move.

There is a _Read_Me.doc file included in the *.zip file that gives additional details on the contents of each detailed analysis file.

Hopefully I’ll be able to reformat the other half of the analyses, moves 30.Qg7+ to 55.h7 “soon”.

As a reminder, in case any was needed, these lines are just the initial evaluations by these 3 engines. They have not been verified by either human analysis or forward sliding. So don’t form any definitive conclusions bases on these analyses until both have been done.

If you have any questions, just let me know.

Jun-15-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  mistermac: Do not visit often.

A fair bit of interesting material and debate since the end of May.

Jun-15-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  morfishine: <kwid> No need to apologize for "not being able to build the necessary consent to get it voted in". Its not your job or anyone's job to take an active role in selling a line

Its hard enough to come up with great lines. Presenting the best line with sound arguments is all one can do

Then the remaining members can make up their own minds

Jun-17-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  kwid: <Dec-11-17 kwid: OK, the expected line is: 15.h3 Ne3 16.Re1 Kd7 17.Bxe3 dxe3 18.Na3 Qe7 19.Nb5 Rf6>

20. Bd5 Kd8 21. Ne4 Rxf4 22. Nexd6 Bg4 23. Qd3 Ne5 24. Qxh7 a6 25. Nxb7+ Kd7 26. Nd4 Raf8 27. Qb1

(27. Rxe3 Rf1+ 28. Rxf1 Rxf1+ 29. Kh2 Qf8 30. Qg8 Nf3+ 31. Bxf3 Qxg8 32. Bxg4+ Kc7 33. Re7+ Kb8 34. Nc6+ Ka8 35. Nd6 Bg1+ 36. Kg3 Bf2+ 37. Kh2 Bg1+ )

27... Kc7 28. Rxe3 Qg5 29. Rg3 Qh4 30. Qb4 Qxg3 31. Ne6+ Bxe6 32. Qd6+ Kc8 33. Bxe6+ Kxb7 34. Bd5+ Kc8 35. Be6+ Kb7

Jun-23-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Team Thematic Challenge (Pg. 3)

*37.h5 - 19 votes - (100.0%)*

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*37...Re4 - 9 votes - (64.3%)*
37...1-0 - 4 votes - (28.6%)
37...other - 1 vote - (7.1%)

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*38.h6 - 22 votes - (100.0%)*

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*38...1-0 -7 votes - (38.9%)*
38...Re1+ - 7 votes - (38.9%)
38...Re2 - 3 votes - (16.7%)
38...other - 1 vote - (5.5%)

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*39. Kh2 - 20 votes - (100.0%)*

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*39...Re2+ - 11 votes - (64.7%)*
39...1-0 - 2 votes - (11.8%)
39...Bg1+ - 2 votes - (11.8%)
39...other - 2 votes - (11.8%)

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*40.Kg3 - 22 votes - (100.0%)*

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*40...Re3+ - 11 votes - (78.6%)*
40...1-0 - 2 votes - (14.3%)
40...other - 1 vote - (7.1%)

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*41.Kg2 - 20 votes - (100.0%)*

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*41...Bd5+ - 8 votes - (57.1%)*
41...1-0 - 6 votes -(42.9%)

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*42.Kf1 - 21 votes - (100.0%)*

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*42...Bc4+ - 9 votes - (56.2%)*
42...1-0 - 7 votes -(43.8%)

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*43.Kf2 - 16 votes - (100.0%)*

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*43...Rxc3+ - 8 votes - (61.5%)*
43...1-0 - 3 votes - (23.1%)
43...Re2+ - 2 votes - (15.4%)

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*44.Ke1 - 20 votes - (100.0%)*

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*44...Nf3+ - 11 votes - (68.8%)*
44...1-0 - 5 votes - (31.2%)

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*45.Kd1 - 19 votes - (90.5%)*
45.Rxf3 - 2 votes - (9.5%)

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*45...Rd3+ - 10 votes - (66.7%)*
45...1-0 - 3 votes - (20.0%)
45...Bxa2 - 2 votes - (13.3%)

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*46.Kc1 - 16 votes - (94.1%)*
46.Other - 1 vote - (5.9%)

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*46...Be3+ - 11 votes - (84.6%)*
46...1-0 - 2 votes - (15.4%)

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*47.Kb1 - 20 votes - (100.0%)*

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*47...Rd1+ - 7 votes - (63.6%)*
47...1-0 - 3 votes - (27.3%)
47...other - 1 vote - (9.1%)

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*48.Kc2 - 18 votes - (100.0%)*

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*48...Rc1+ - 12 votes - (75.0%)*
48...1-0 - 3 votes -(18.8%)
48...other - 1 vote - (6.2%)

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*49.Kb2 - 16 votes - (100.0%)*

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*49...Bd4+ - 11 votes - (84.6%)*
49...1-0 - 2 votes - (15.4%)

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*50.Qxd4 - 17 votes - (100.0%)*

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*50...Nxd4 - 12 votes - (70.6%)*
50...1-0 - 4 votes - (23.5%)
50...other - 1 vote - (5.9%)

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*51.Kxc1 - 20 votes - (90.9%)*
51.h7 - 2 votes - (9.1%)

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*51...Bg8 - 11 votes - (68.8%)*
51...1-0 - 4 votes - (25.0%)
51...other - 1 vote - (6.2%)

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*52.Rf6 - 19 votes - (100.0%)*

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*52...Ke7 - 7 votes - (46.7%)*
52...1-0 - 5 votes - (33.3%)
52...Nc6 - 2 votes - (13.3%)
52...other - 1 vote - (6.7%)

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*53.Rg6 - 21 votes - (100.0%)*

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*53...Kf8 - 9 votes - (60.0%)*
53...1-0 - 5 votes - (33.3%)
53...other - 1 vote - (6.7%)

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*54.Rxd6 - 21 votes - (100.0%)*

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*54...Ne6 - 10 votes - (55.6%)*
54...Nc6 - 4 votes -(22.2%)
54...1-0 - 3 votes - (16.7%)
54...other - 1 vote - (5.5%)

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*55.h7 - 16 votes - (80.0%)*
55.Rd7 - 4 votes - (20.0%)

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***55...1-0 - 9 votes - (50.0%)***
55...Bxh7 - 8 votes - (44.4%)
55...Bxh7 - 1 vote - (5.6%)

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Jun-23-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Team Thematic Challenge (Pg. 2)

*19.Nb5 - 20 votes - (95.2%)*
19.Other - 1 vote - (4.8%)

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*19...h6 - 7 votes - (43.8%)*
19...Rf6 - 7 votes - (43.8%)
19...other - 2 votes - (12.4%)

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*20.Ne6 - 20 votes - (90.9%)*
20.Qg4+ - 2 votes - (9.1%)

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*20...Rf6 - 16 votes - (88.9%)*
20...Rf5 - 2 votes - (11.1%)

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*21.Nbc7 - 20 votes - (90.9%)*
21.Other - 2 votes - (9.1%)

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*21...Bxc7 - 14 votes - (87.5%)*
21...other - 2 votes - (87.5%)

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*22.Rxe3 - 27 votes - (100.0%)*

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*22...Bb6 - 12 votes - (70.6%)*
22...Rxe6 - 3 votes - (17.6%)
22...other - 2 votes - (17.6%)

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*23.Re1 - 21 votes - (95.5%)*
23.Other - 1vote - (4.5%)

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*23...g6 - 13 votes - (76.5%)*
23...1-0 - 2 votes - (11.8%)
23...other 2 votes - (11.8%)

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*24.Rb1 - 18 votes - (78.3%)*
24.Qg4 - 3 votes - (13.0%)
24.Qd3 - 2 votes - (8.7%)

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*24...Rxe6 - 10 votes - (62.5%)
24...Qh7 - 3 votes - (18.8%)
24...other - 3 votes - (18.8%)

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*25.Bxe6+ - 22 votes - (84.6%)*
25.Bxe6 - 2 votes - (7.7%)
25.Other - 2 votes - (7.7%)

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*25...Qxe6 - 11 votes - (84.6%)*
25...1-0 - 2 votes - (15.4%)

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*26.Rxe6 - 24 votes - (100.0%)*

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*26...Kxe6 - 14 votes - (87.5%)*
26...1-0 - 2 votes - (12.5%)

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*27.f5+ - 18 votes - (94.7%)*
27.Other - 1 vote - (5.3%)

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*27...gxf5 - 13 votes - (86.7%)*
27...1-0 - 2 votes - (13.3%)

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*28.Qh5 - 20 votes - (95.2%)*
28.Other - 1 vote - (4.8%)

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*28...Ke7 - 13 votes - (92.9%)*
28...other - 1 vote - (7.1%)

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*29.Qxh6 - 23 votes - (92.0%)*
29.Other - 2 vote - (8.0%)

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*29...Be6 - 16 votes - (84.2%)*
29...Ne5 - 2 votes - (10.5%)
29...other - 1 vote - (5.3%)

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*30.Qg7+ - 22 votes - (95.7%)*
30.Other - 1 vote - (4.3%)

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*30...Bf7 - 17 votes - (100.0%)*

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*31.Rf1 - 20 votes - (91.0%)*
31.Other - 2 votes - (9.0%)

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*31...Rg8 - 16 votes - (88.9%)*
31...other - 2 votes - (11.1%)

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*32.Qh7 - 22 votes - (100.0%)*

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*32...Ne5 - 13 votes - (65.0%)*
32...Rg5 - 4 votes - (20.0%)
32...1-0 - 3 votes - (15.0%)

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*33.Rxf5 - 22 votes - (81.5%)*
33.g4 - 3 votes - (11.1%)
33.Other - 2 votes - (7.4%)

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*33...Rf8 - 13 votes - (61.9%)*
33...8-O - 4 votes - (19.0%)
33...Rc8 - 3 votes - (14.3%)
33...other - 1 vote - (4.8%)

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*34.h4 - 17 votes - (73.9%)*
34.Qh4+ - 4 votes - (17.4%)
34 Other 2 votes - (8.7%)

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34...Rc8 - 16 votes - (88.9%)
34...other - 2 votes - (11.1%)

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*35.Qg7 - 23 votes - (88.5%)*
35.Other - 3 votes - (11.5%)

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*35...Rc4 - 16 votes - (84.2%)*
35...Ba5 - 2 votes - (10.5%)
35...Ba5 - 1 vote - (5.3%)

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*36.g4 - 22 votes - (91.7%)*
36.Other - 2 votes - (8.3%)

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*36...Ke8 - 10 votes - (62.5%)*
36...Re4 - 5 votes -(31.2%)
36...other - 1 vote - (6.3%)

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Jun-23-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  WinKing: Team Thematic Challenge (Pg. 1)

Two Knights Defense (Traxler Counter Attack)

<1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5> Game started from this position.


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Voting Statistics for White & Black:

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*5.Bxf7+ - 11 votes - (52.4%)*
5.d4 - 8 votes - (38.1%)
5.Nxf7 - 2 votes - (9.5%)

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*5...Ke7 - 21votes - (95.5%)*
5...other - 1vote - (4.5%)

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*6.Bc4 - 16 votes - (80.0%)*
6.Bb3 - 2 votes - (10.0%)
6.Other - 2 votes - (10.0%)

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*6...Rf8 - 11 votes - (47.8%)*
6...Qe8 - 8 votes - (34.8%)
6...d5 - 4 votes - (17.4%)

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*7.O-O - 15 votes - (75.0%)*
7.Nc3 - 4 votes - (20.0%)
7.Other - 1 vote - (5.0%)

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*7...Qe8 - 10 votes - (58.8%)*
7...d6 - 5 votes - (29.4%)
7...h6 - 2 votes - (11.8%)

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*8.b4 - 14 votes - (82.4%)*
8.Nc3 - 2 votes - (11.8%)
8.Other - 1 vote - (5.9%)

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*8...Bxb4 - 11 votes - (57.9%)*
8...Bb6 - 7 votes - (36.8%)
8...other - 1 vote - (5.3%)

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*9.c3 - 17 votes - (94.4%)*
9.Other - 1 vote - (5.6%)

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*9...Ba5 - 10 votes - (52.6%)*
9...h6 - 7 votes - (36.8%)
9...Bc5 - 2 votes - (10.5%)

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*10.d4 - 20 votes - (95.2%)*
10.Other - 1 vote - (4.8%)

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*10...d6 - 16 votes - (84.2%)*
10...other - 2 votes - (15.8%)

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*11.f4 - 19 votes - (95.0%)*
11.Other - 1 vote - (5.0%)

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*11...Bb6 - 18 votes - (81.8%)*
11...Bg4 - 2 votes - (9.1%)
11...other - 2 votes - (9.1%)

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*12.Kh1 - 21 votes - (95.5%)*
12.Other - 1 vote - (4.5%)

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*12...exd4 - 15 votes - (88.2%)*
12...other - 2 votes - (11.8%)

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*13.e5 - 22 votes - (95.7%)*
13.Other - 1 vote - (4.3%)

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*13...Ng4 - 16 votes - (94.1%)*
13...other - 1 vote - (5.9%)

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*14.exd6 - 14 votes - (66.7%)*
14.Be2 - 5 votes - (23.8%)
14.Other - 2 - (9.5%)

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*14...cxd6 - 14 votes - (66.7%)*
14...Kd8 - 5 votes - (23.8%)
14...other - 2 votes - (9.5%)

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*15.h3 - 18 votes - (81.8%)*
15.Re1+ - 2 votes - (9.1%)
15. Other - 2 votes - (9.1%)

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*15...Ne3 - 15 votes - (88.2%)*
15...other - 2 votes - (11.8%)

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*16.Re1 - 21 votes - (95.5%)*
16.Other - 1 votes - (4.5%)

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*16...Kd7 - 14 votes - (93.3%)*
16...other - 1 vote - (6.7%)

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*17.Bxe3 - 22 votes - (95.7%)*
17. Other - 1 vote - (4.3%)

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*17...dxe3 - 14 votes - (93.3%)*
17...other - 1 vote - (6.7%)

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*18.Na3 - 22 votes - (100.0%)*

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*18...Qe7 - 12 votes - (80.0%)*
18...a6 - 3 votes - (20.0%)

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Jun-26-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  AylerKupp: <Traxler Detailed Analysis Part 2 – 30.Qg7+ through 55.h7>

I’ve finally completed reformatting the detailed analysis for the second set of analyses I generated, from 30.Qg7+ through 55.h7. You can download the analysis in *.zip format from here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/kqrdu....

The detailed analysis is a set of Word files, one for each move, with each file consisting of 3 parts:

1. Summary of Black’s choices after each Team White move. The moves that were considered by each of the engines in Team HKS (Houdini, Komodo, Stockfish) to be among their top 5 moves and their evaluations.

2. Analysis by engine. Detailed analysis of the lines of the top 5 moves as determined by each engine; their evaluation and moves.

3. Analysis by move. For each move identified by at least one of the engines as being among their top 5 moves, the position after that move was made and the engines’ evaluation and lines for that move.

There is a _Read_Me.doc file included in the *.zip file that gives additional details on the contents of each detailed analysis file.

As a reminder, in case any was needed, these lines are just the initial evaluations by these 3 engines. They have not been verified by either human analysis or forward sliding. So don’t form any definitive conclusions bases on these analyses until both have been done.

If you have any questions, just let me know.

Jun-26-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  kwid: My post game assessment rates this opening line as playable for black with 19...Rf6 instead of h6.

[Event "Traxler Bxf7+/Bc4/b4"]
[Site "web"]
[Date "2018.06.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Theory"]
[Black "Analysis"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C57"]
[Annotator "kwid"]
[PlyCount "157"]
[EventDate "2018.??.??"]

C57: Two ♔nights: Wilkes-♗arre/Traxler and 4 ♘g5 d5 5 exd5, unusual ♗lack 5th moves 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Bc5 5. Bxf7+ Ke7 6. Bc4 Rf8 7. O-O Qe8 8. b4 Bxb4 9. c3 Ba5 10. d4 d6 11. f4 Bb6 12. Kh1 exd4 13. e5 Ng4 14. exd6+ cxd6 15. h3 Ne3 16. Re1 Kd7 17. Bxe3 dxe3 18. Na3 Qe7 19. Nb5 Rf6 20. Qd3 (20. Bd5 Kd8 21. Ne4 (21. a4 Rxf4 22. Nf7+ Rxf7 23. Bxf7 Bxh3) 21... Rxf4 22. Nexd6 Bg4 23. Qd3 Ne5 24. Qxh7 a6 25. Nxb7+ Kd7 26. Nd4 Raf8 27. Qb1 (27. Rxe3 Rf1+ 28. Rxf1 Rxf1+ 29. Kh2 Qf8 30. Qg8 Nf3+ 31. Bxf3 Qxg8 32. Bxg4+ Kc7 33. Re7+ Kb8 34. Nc6+ Ka8 35. Nd6 Bg1+ 36. Kg3 Bf2+ 37. Kh2 Bg1+) 27... Kc7 28. Rxe3 Qg5 29. Rg3 Qh4 30. Qb4 Qxg3 31. Ne6+ Bxe6 32. Qd6+ Kc8 33. Bxe6+ Kxb7 34. Bd5+ Kc8 35. Be6+ Kb7) 20... Kd8 21. Ne4 (21. Rad1 a6 22. Nxd6 Kc7 23. Nge4 Rh6 24. Rb1 Ba7 25. Red1 Rb8 26. Qe2 Bc5 27. Ne8+ Qxe8 28. Nxc5 Qe7 29. Rd5 Rd6 30. Rbd1 Rxd5 31. Rxd5 g6 32. Qf3 Bf5 33. g4 Rd8 34. Rxf5 gxf5 35. Ne6+ Kb8 36. Nxd8 Qxd8 37. gxf5 Qd2 38. f6 Nd8 39. Qe2 Qxc3 40. f7 Qf6 41. Qxe3 Nxf7 42. Kh2 Kc7 43. Bb3 Nd6 44. Qe5 Qg6 45. Bd1 (45. f5 Qxf5 46. Qxf5 Nxf5 47. Bc2 Ng7 48. Bxh7 b5 49. h4 a5 50. Kg3 Nh5+ 51. Kf3 Nf6 52. Bg6 a4 53. Bc2 Kd6 54. Kg3 Ke5 55. Bg6 Ne4+ 56. Kg4 Nc3) (45. Be6 Qd3 46. Bd5 Qc2+ 47. Kg3 Qg6+ 48. Kf2 Kd7 49. Bf3 Qc2+ 50. Qe2 Qxe2+ 51. Bxe2 Ke6 52. Bg4+ Kd5 53. Ke3 b5 54. Bf3+ Ke6 55. Bd1 h6 56. Kd4 Kf5 57. Kc5 Ne4+ 58. Kb6 Kxf4 59. Kxa6 Kg3 60. Bb3 Nc3 61. Be6 h5 62. Ka5 Nxa2) 45... b5 46. Be2 Kc6 47. Bf3+ Kc7 48. Qe7+ Kb6 49. Qe3+ Kc7 50. Qa7+ Kd8 51. Qxa6 Qc2+ 52. Bg2 Qd2 53. Qa3 Qxf4+ 54. Qg3 Qh6 55. h4 Ke7 56. Qe5+ Qe6 57. Qg5+ Qf6 58. Kg3 h6 59. Qxf6+ Kxf6 60. Kg4 b4 61. Kh5 Kg7 62. Bc6 Nf5 63. Ba4 Nd4) 21... Bf5 22. Nbxd6 Kc7 23. Nxf5 Rxf5 24. Ng5 Rf6 25. Qxh7 Rd8 26. g3 Kb8 27. Rad1 Rfd6 28. Rxd6 Qxd6 29. Ne4 Qd7 30. Kg2 Na5 31. Be2 Qd5 ( 31... Qf7 32. h4 a6 33. Bf3 Qxa2+ 34. Re2 Qf7 35. f5 Qf8 36. Ng5 Rd7 37. h5 Qe7 38. Ne4 Qd8 39. f6 gxf6 40. Qg6 Nc6 41. Qxf6 Qc7 42. Qf4 Qxf4 43. gxf4 Rf7 44. Rb2 Bc7 45. Nc5 Bd6 46. Nd3 Nd8 47. Kg3 a5 48. Bg4 Rc7 49. Kf3 Rxc3 50. Bf5 Bf8 51. Kxe3 a4 52. Rh2 Bh6 53. Ra2 a3 54. Kd2 Rb3 55. Kc2 Rb5 56. Bg6 Bf8 57. h6 Bxh6 58. Rxa3) 32. h4 Nc4 33. Kh3 Qd7+ 34. Kh2 Nd2 35. Ng5 $16 Rc8 36. Rc1 a6 37. Qg6 Ka7 38. Qe6 Qd8 39. c4 Rc6 40. Qf5 Bc5 41. Nf7 Qd4 42. Rc2 Rc7 43. Ne5 Bd6 44. Nf3 Nxf3+ 45. Bxf3 Rxc4 46. Rxc4 Qxc4 47. Qd7 Qc7 48. Qxc7 Bxc7 49. Kg2 b5 50. Be4 a5 51. h5 Bb6 52. Kf3 Kb8 53. g4 Kc8 54. f5 Bd8 55. Kxe3 Bg5+ 56. Kd4 b4 57. Kc5 Kd7 58. Kb5 Bd8 59. f6 Bxf6 60. Kxa5 Be7 61. Ka4 Ke6 62. g5 Ke5 63. g6 Kf6 64. Bf3 Kf5 65. Kb3 Bd6 66. Be2 Kg5 67. Kc4 Kf6 68. Kb5 Kg5 69. Bd1 Kf6 70. Bc2 Kg5 71. Kc6 Bf8 72. Bd1 Kf6 73. Kd5 Be7 74. Kc4 Bd6 75. Be2 Bf8 76. Kb5 Bd6 77. Kc6 Bf8 78. Bd1 Be7 79. Kd5 $11 1/2-1/2

Jun-27-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  centralfiles: <Kwid> you need use different kinds of brackets parentheses etc.. to make it possible to follow your post.
Jun-27-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  kwid: <centralfiles: <Kwid> you need use different kinds of brackets parentheses etc.. to make it possible to follow your post>

Just copy the whole game including the first bracket, paste as a pgn or game into a program from fritz , chessbase or shredder etc. and you can replay it there.

Jun-27-18
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  centralfiles: <kwid> comes out just fine after pasting but for some reason it concludes 0-1 instead of 1/2-1/2.

It seems that 16$ is fritz for +- and 11$ is fritz for 0-1 and you manually wrote 1/2-1/2 yourself after pasting from fritz program.

Jul-02-18
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  YouRang: <WinKing><***55...1-0 - 9 votes - (50.0%)***
55...Bxh7 - 8 votes - (44.4%)
55...Bxh7 - 1 vote - (5.6%) >

So, on black's 55th move, the top vote-getting move was to resign, but the 2nd place vote 55...Bxh7 was played.

Evidently, a vote to resign requires *exceeding* 50% of the team to approve. The vote to resign on move 55 only *equaled* to 50%, just barely failing to end the game.

I didn't know about this extra requirement for a resignation vote.

Jul-03-18
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  YouRang: Oop - Ignore my previous comment - Move 55 was the last move. :-p
Jul-03-18
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  AylerKupp: <YouRang> You indicate that 55...Bxh7 had 8 votes and the "other" 55...Bxh7 had 1 vote. But clearly that's not right. In Team White vs Team Black, 2017 (kibitz #3529) <chessgames.com> indicates that 55...Bxh7 had 8 votes and the total # of votes was 18, so a different move got 1 vote. I think that <chessgames.com> would have counted 55...BxH7 as a different move than 55...Bxh7 unless they manually corrected it, but I don't think that was the case. Does anyone have any idea what that other move was? I couldn't find it.

I would think that 1-0 is just a move vote like any other move vote, so if 55...Bxh7 had 9 votes, then it would have been tied with 1-0 as the move of choice by Team Black, and <chessgames.com> would have picked one of them at random. So in that case there was a 50/50 chance that 55...Bxh7 could have been selected as Team Black's move.

I think that <chrisowen> said it best: "Hive hint at enact vote let victory in light ramble h7 headhunt hang it ok overt as no?" (Team White vs Team Black, 2017 (kibitz #3527)). Go ahead, prove me wrong! :-)

Aug-06-18
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  Tiggler: <AylerKupp>:<I would think that 1-0 is just a move vote like any other move vote, so if 55...Bxh7 had 9 votes, then it would have been tied with 1-0 as the move of choice by Team Black, and <chessgames.com> would have picked one of them at random.>

Your theory is confirmed by a post from <Sneaky>, who we now know was Daniel Freeman. Daniel Freeman

<Sneaky> appeared as a memebr of team black in this game. At one point he mentioned that it was fortunate that the computer did not randomly pick 1-0 as the black move when it was tied with another.

Incidentally, the following appears among the general rules for CG Challenges: <The Chessgames administrators will sign-up to become team members, but only for the purpose of answering questions and ensuring that the game runs smoothly; the administrators will never vote for moves or participate in the analysis.>

In this instance <Sneaky> did participate in analysis, so obviously Daniel had delegated admin and arbiter duties for the game. On the team black pages the official announcements are made by <Administrator>, but on team white pages the identical messages were posted by <ChessGames> (See for instance on page 1.)

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