|Tata Steel Masters (2015)|
Played in Wijk aan Zee, Netherlands 10-25 January 2015, with Round 5 in Rotterdam (January 15) and Round 10 in Den Haag (January 21). Crosstable (https://www.tatasteelchess.com/arch...) :
Previous edition: Tata Steel Masters (2014). Next: Tata Steel Masters (2016). See also Tata Steel Challengers (2015).
Elo 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4
1 Carlsen 2862 * ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 0 1 1 ½ 1 1 9
2 Vachier-Lagrave 2757 ½ * 1 ½ 1 0 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 1 ½ ½ 8½
3 Giri 2784 ½ 0 * 1 1 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 1 8½
4 So 2762 ½ ½ 0 * ½ 1 ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 8½
5 Ding Liren 2732 ½ 0 0 ½ * ½ 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 8½
6 Ivanchuk 2715 ½ 1 ½ 0 ½ * ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 1 1 7½
7 Caruana 2820 0 0 ½ ½ 1 ½ * ½ 0 ½ ½ 1 1 1 7
8 Radjabov 2734 0 ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ * 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ 0 6
9 Wojtaszek 2744 1 ½ ½ ½ 0 ½ 1 0 * ½ ½ 0 ½ 0 5½
10 Aronian 2797 0 ½ ½ 0 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ * ½ ½ ½ 1 5½
11 Yifan Hou 2673 0 0 ½ ½ 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ * ½ 0 1 5
12 Saric 2666 ½ 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 0 1 ½ ½ * ½ 1 4½
13 Van Wely 2667 0 ½ 0 0 0 0 0 ½ ½ ½ 1 ½ * ½ 4
14 Jobava 2727 0 ½ 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 ½ * 3
| page 2 of 4; games 26-50 of 91
|26. Ivanchuk vs M Vachier-Lagrave
||1-0||30||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|27. Yifan Hou vs A Giri
||½-½||20||2015||Tata Steel Masters||C55 Two Knights Defense|
|28. Caruana vs W So
||½-½||31||2015||Tata Steel Masters||C78 Ruy Lopez|
|29. Ding Liren vs Ivanchuk
||½-½||26||2015||Tata Steel Masters||D11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|30. I Saric vs Radjabov
||0-1||60||2015||Tata Steel Masters||C65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense|
|31. A Giri vs Jobava
||1-0||36||2015||Tata Steel Masters||E97 King's Indian|
|32. Carlsen vs Aronian
||1-0||47||2015||Tata Steel Masters||D38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation|
|33. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Van Wely
|| ||½-½||60||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B84 Sicilian, Scheveningen|
|34. R Wojtaszek vs Caruana
||1-0||47||2015||Tata Steel Masters||A88 Dutch, Leningrad, Main Variation with c6|
|35. W So vs Yifan Hou
||½-½||66||2015||Tata Steel Masters||D38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation|
|36. M Vachier-Lagrave vs Ding Liren
||1-0||45||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B12 Caro-Kann Defense|
|37. Caruana vs Carlsen
||0-1||39||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B31 Sicilian, Rossolimo Variation|
|38. Jobava vs W So
||0-1||39||2015||Tata Steel Masters||C53 Giuoco Piano|
|39. Yifan Hou vs R Wojtaszek
||½-½||35||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B20 Sicilian|
|40. Van Wely vs Aronian
||½-½||30||2015||Tata Steel Masters||A45 Queen's Pawn Game|
|41. Radjabov vs A Giri
||½-½||26||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B48 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation|
|42. Ivanchuk vs I Saric
||½-½||49||2015||Tata Steel Masters||D12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|43. A Giri vs Ivanchuk
||½-½||102||2015||Tata Steel Masters||D43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav|
|44. I Saric vs M Vachier-Lagrave
||0-1||32||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|45. W So vs Radjabov
||½-½||41||2015||Tata Steel Masters||D37 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|46. Aronian vs Caruana
||½-½||47||2015||Tata Steel Masters||E53 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3|
|47. Ding Liren vs Van Wely
||1-0||79||2015||Tata Steel Masters||A35 English, Symmetrical|
|48. Carlsen vs Yifan Hou
||1-0||54||2015||Tata Steel Masters||B32 Sicilian|
|49. R Wojtaszek vs Jobava
||0-1||37||2015||Tata Steel Masters||E11 Bogo-Indian Defense|
|50. Jobava vs Carlsen
||0-1||50||2015||Tata Steel Masters||A01 Nimzovich-Larsen Attack|
| page 2 of 4; games 26-50 of 91
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 141 OF 142 ·
|Jan-28-15|| ||keypusher: <Absentee: Does anyone really take groups such as "Freedom House" or the "Martin Prosperity Institute" at face value?>|
I never heard of the "Martin Prosperity Institute" before. But their study sounds like bilge.
|Jan-28-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi Gypsey,
"Here is how I usually organize my thinking and, behold, here is what I invented while doing so."
I like that bit. It may be as simple as that. I'm sure we all store information in different ways.
A smell or a piece of music may envoke a memory in me. Too others it will be meaningless.
I'm thinking in chess the more smells or pieces of music you have, the more memories you can evoke. Pattern recognition is not creativity though there is no doubt it will fire up the imagination.
"It's heretical, but working with computers can stimulate creativity."
You are right. It can be any setting, especially in the opening where a player can get his imagination stirred.
At least a computer's suggestion will be totally sound. You can play over a 1400 game and see an idea that may not be totally sound, but with a bit of preparation...
Tartakower said Masters can learn from Amateur Players.
Actually when you think about it computers are more creative than humans. (am I really writing this?)
Out of their opening book and far enough away from their Table Bases they are creating mating patterns and positions they have never seen before.
Although this is being done by pure calcualtion it is none the less creating mates from from scratch. Players miss mates all the time, often it is because they have never seen the mating pattern or idea before.
We cannot recognise a face we have never seen before, not matter how hard we study it.
How can we expect our memories to download a pattern it has never seen before.
So computers are creative...but they have no imagination!
They really have turned chess upside down.
We are trying to keep it chess related. I doubt if we will stumble upon the secret of chess. But we may throw some light on 'Where does he get his ideas from.'
|Jan-28-15|| ||patzer2: The Martin Prosperity Institute is a part of the Rotman School of Management at the University of Toronto.|
The Heritage Foundation's annual report of Economic Freedom was originated as the result of research by Nobel Prize winning economist Milton Friedman of the University of Chicago and is widely used as an authoritative reference by academic and business economists.
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedo... <Freedom House is a U.S.-based non-governmental organization (NGO) that conducts research and advocacy on democracy, political freedom, and human rights. Freedom House was founded in October 1941. Wendell Willkie and Eleanor Roosevelt served as its first honorary chairpersons. It describes itself as a "clear voice for democracy and freedom around the world".
The organization's annual Freedom in the World report, which assesses each country's degree of political freedoms and civil liberties, is frequently cited by political scientists, journalists, and policy-makers. Freedom of the Press and Freedom of the Net, which monitor censorship, intimidation and violence against journalists, and public access to information, are among its other signature reports.
The organization is directed by David J. Kramer, former head of the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor of the United States Department of State.>
These organizations are generally well respected in academic circles, but might not have the only current studies of economic and political freedom or creativity. However, these are the only studies I'm aware of on the subject. If anyone knows of other studies or indexes of economic and freedom or creativity I'd be interested in comparing the results.
Despite significant differences in these organizations (e.g. private vs public; conservative vs moderate etc.), there is a significant positive correlation between their measures of political freedom, economic freedom and creativity in different countries.
|Jan-28-15|| ||patzer2: <Sally Simpson><The most creative chess players in my opinion are raw beginners who display a talent for the game.|
Their minds are not cluttered up with all the baggage good chess player carry. They are creating fresh ideas all the time and learning.
Once they get their hands on their chess book or receive their first chess lesson they are doomed.>
I'm concerned about that in going through Chess books and providing instruction to my Grandchildren.
Because I'm trying to foster their individuality and creativity, I try not to mess too much with their opening play, or get overly concerned when they make odd middle game moves.
For now I'm concentrating on endgame play and obvious simple decisive middle game game combinations, which unfortunately doesn't offer too much room for creativity.
I figure if they can master the basics of simple middle games and endgames, then they'll develop an opening repertoire that fits their own style and personality.
|Jan-29-15|| ||perfidious: <Gypsy: My bad, of course. Have been fighting off alligators of real life, lately.>|
Sounds right tough to me--perhaps winning a game of chess is more difficult.
|Jan-29-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi patzer2,
Although my 'They are doomed' comment was tongue in cheek one has to be careful we do not try to give them bland technique when opening a game or fuddying up their fresh minds with middle game rules of thumbs.
If a lad has a fondeness for playing 1.e4 e5 2 Qh5
and we all went though this bit. I recommend the teacher plays 2.Nf6.
click for larger view
Giving up the e-pawn with a check and then explain to the student the value and idea of a gambit and you are going to develop your pieces on the exposed Queen.
Usually you will trap the Queen or build up such a powerful position the win is straight forward.
In short never tell them they are wrong. Show them the pitfalls. Playing is the best way to learn the game.
And if the student still has a liking for premature Queen moves then bet him £10.00 he as White cannot checkmate you from here. Let him try.
click for larger view
The lesson being even the mighty and powerful Queen needs help.
Everyone has their own favourite teaching methods, you pick them up via trial and error or by reading threads like this. These are just a few of mine.
(Keep the student away from Nakamura games.)
|Jan-29-15|| ||Everett: <patzer2: Perhaps it's noteworthy that the top 16 countries ranked as most creative in the creativity ranking list at http://www.businessinsider.com/most... are also countries ranked as economically free or mostly economically free on the index of economic freedom at http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.|
Perhaps this comparison provides some support for my hypothesis that greater political freedom and economic freedom tends to foster greater creativity.>
And what if we overlay income disparity, what come of correlations will we get...
|Jan-29-15|| ||boz: <Playing is the best way to learn the game.>|
Ah, you're just saying that because <the Patriarch> isn't here to defend himself.
<Chess, like any creative activity, can exist only through the combined efforts of those who have creative talent, and those who have the ability to organize their creative work.>
|Jan-29-15|| ||Everett: http://www.therichest.com/rich-list...|
|Jan-29-15|| ||Everett: Chile makes both top-10 lists (greatest income inequality and economically free)|
US is almost top 10 in both.
|Jan-29-15|| ||Conrad93: <<Chess, like any creative activity, can exist only through the combined efforts of those who have creative talent, and those who have the ability to organize their creative work.>|
Or have the unfailing support of a corrupt political organization like the U.S.S.R.
But, yeah, that too.
|Jan-29-15|| ||patzer2: <Everett><And what if we overlay income disparity, what come of correlations will we get...> Using the World Bank Gini measurement of income inequality at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o... it appears there's not much of a correlation between that variable (income inequality) and political freedom, economic freedom and creativity.|
Countries which have greater political freedom and economic freedom tend to have greater creativity and wealth.
However, these wealthier countries have a wide disparity in income equality.
For example Denmark and Sweden, which have high economic freedom, political freedom and high creativity also have low income inequality.
However, the USA which also ranks high on economic freedom, political freedom and creativity has relatively high income inequality.
|Jan-29-15|| ||patzer2: <Sally Simpson> Thanks for the teaching tips!|
|Jan-30-15|| ||Overgod: This will probably be my final post on the Tata Steel 2015 tournament. All I wanted to add is a thumbs up to Wei Yi, whose games I finally had a chance to look over a few days ago. Needless to say, I am very impressed by this young kid.|
He's a little tactical monster. I don't think he will ever get to 2800 or be a real threat to Carlsen (but then again, how many prodigies have we seen come and go and not quite get there?), but I am almost certain he is going to be a regular top 10 player in about 2-3 years. He'll probably be another Karjakin or Radjabov or Nakamura, rather than Caruana, Giri or Carlsen.
But still, he's damn impressive -- especially at such a tender age.
I hesitate to mention So, because he could be either 2800+ in a couple of years, or stabilize around 2750-2800. It's too early to tell with him.
|Jan-30-15|| ||pinoy king: Overgod, you are clueless. So is breaking 2800 this year and going to catch up to Magnus.|
|Jan-30-15|| ||john barleycorn: <pinoy king: Overgod, you are clueless.>|
That is about the nicest thing to say about <overgod>. I would phrase it a bit differently.
|Jan-30-15|| ||achieve: Wei Yi is technically and positionally already far advanced, so doubting his potential based on those qualities is quite a mistake, yet there are many many other factors that influence a career that still may be vulnerable in casu <Wei> because of a number of cultural/social factors; hard to predict/tell. Might be compensated by a number of advantages, but how will those weigh, currently and especially in the near future.|
Wei Yet, excuse me. ;)
|Jan-30-15|| ||Everett: <patzer2> Interesting. Just for the record, I was just curious, had a feeling there wouldn't be a correlation in some areas. It would be interesting if income inequality is shown to be negative in creative/freedom indexes, but that does not seem to bear out.|
|Jan-30-15|| ||Absentee: <patzer2>
You're missing the point.
You keep quoting groups with the same political agenda, that is promoting neoliberal policies (reading between the lines: pushing american interests).
Unsurprisingly, their criteria for creativity and freedom go hand in hand with the evaluated country's willingness to be economically colonized (or "freedom with the murricun stick").
Equally unsurprising is that they quote each other and call each other authoritative.
<Freedom House is a U.S.-based non-governmental organization (NGO) that conducts research and advocacy on democracy, political freedom, and human rights>
<The organization is directed by David J. Kramer, former head of the Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor of the United States Department of State.>
<Using the World Bank Gini measurement of income inequality>
Oh oh oh!
<Countries which have greater political freedom and economic freedom tend to have greater creativity and wealth.
However, these wealthier countries have a wide disparity in income equality.
However, the USA which also ranks high on economic freedom, political freedom and creativity has relatively high income inequality.>
You don't say!
|Jan-30-15|| ||Abdel Irada: Is this <Tata Steel> or <Kenneth Rogoff>? ;-)|
|Jan-30-15|| ||john barleycorn: < Abdel Irada: Is this <Tata Steel> or <Kenneth Rogoff>? ;-)|
Well, since you arrived...
|Jan-30-15|| ||Everett: <Absentee> good point|
|Jan-30-15|| ||diceman: <Everett: <patzer2> Interesting. Just for the record, I was just curious, had a feeling there wouldn't be a correlation in some areas.>|
There aren't enough Al Sharptons to go around.
...though either Norway or Denmark (I forget) had a
|Jan-30-15|| ||Overgod: <pinoy king: Overgod, you are clueless. So is breaking 2800 this year and going to catch up to Magnus.>|
Shut up Glenny. W.So is not doing such a thing. You're more likely to break 1400 Blitz, than him 2800 any time soon.
Have you finished your crayon drawings yet? Have you reached 1200 Blitz yet? Get back to work, Glenny.
|Jan-30-15|| ||Overgod: <john barleycorn: <pinoy king: Overgod, you are clueless.>
That is about the nicest thing to say about <overgod>. I would phrase it a bit differently>|
Definition of desperation: using a renowned troll as a basis for one's 'argument.'
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