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|Nov-22-07|| ||chessmoron: <<slomarko>: this tourney turned into a debacle for Kramnik> You are wrong! Your hero Morozevich underachieved.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||slomarko: <Even Bacrot, one of the lowest guys there, managed a win over Ivanchuk.>
actually Bacrot beat Ivanchuk 2:0|
|Nov-22-07|| ||TIMER: <pawnofdoom: ... Elo ratings don't mean anything here ...>|
The 2 highest rated players came in the top 2 places.
|Nov-22-07|| ||Jim Bartle: Good point. The final standings could easily be from a regular tournament (that is, if there were still 20-player double round-robins).|
|Nov-22-07|| ||parisattack: I'm delighted to see Ivanchuk win this tournament - even if a blitz deal. Perhaps spark him for the World Cup. A Topalov-Ivanchuk match could be very entertaining! And despite Kramnik's unbelievable powerful play of late, Anand showed he is not to be regarded lightly.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||cotdt: <pawnofdoom: Didn't expect this from Ivanchuk, especially after his performance at the Tal Memorial.> Kramnik said after the last round of Tal Memorial that Ivanchuk suddenly developed "fighting spirit" that day. I guess this spirit was channeled into the blitz tournament.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||you vs yourself: <parisattack> One has to have unbelievably short memory or new to pro chess(like someone who was introduced to it after Mexico '07) to take Anand lightly at any time control.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||Astardis: Karpov did better than the sheer scoresheet makes it appear. Looking at some of his games, especially from the first half of the tournament, he must have lost on time rather than having been outplayed.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||pawnofdoom: <TIMER: <pawnofdoom: ... Elo ratings don't mean anything here ...>
The 2 highest rated players came in the top 2 places.> Well I guess that's just a coincidence. The other players are out of order in a way. Grischuk adn Kamsky place higher than Morozevich, Gelfand, and Kramnik. And in a way, you could say that Kramnik is higher rated than Ivanchuk if the ratings were all updated right now.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||TIMER: <Astardis> Yes, someone mentioned earler that in the first day the clock might have not been working properly in Karpov's games as he sometimes had 1 second left despite there supposedly being 2 second increment and the clock would stop if time expired.|
This sort of thing, if true, can very much distract you from the game, constantly looking and checking if you are getting your increment on the clock- the arbiter ended up following him around. Particularly bad to be distracted like that in blitz games. He did much better in the second day though.
|Nov-22-07|| ||TIMER: <pawnofdoom> Like Jim Bartle says, I think that it correlates with rating as well as a classical tournament might- you rarely have everyone in perfect order- but the higher rated players generally would do better than the lower rated ones.|
Even Kramnik didn't come too low (5-7 out of 20)
Meanwhile mirroring that the second highest rated player came first, the second lowest rated player came last.
|Nov-22-07|| ||Jim Bartle: Pawnofdoom (great name!) and Timer: Of course the results didn't reflect ratings exactly; if that was expected, why even play the games? What I meant is that the result would be within the scope of reasonable expectation for a serious tournament. Some higher-rated players are usually going to do poorly, and lower-rated ones are going to exceed expectations.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||pawnofdoom: <TIMER><Jim Bartle> One last thing to back me up is that Savchenko ended up ahead of Shirov, who is in the top 10 in the world. Meanwhile, Savchenko isn't even in thetop 100. But of course, you two are both right. The real ratings definitely make a difference in the results, but it's up to the lower people to make the tournament exciting and screw up the order.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||jon01: Bacrot lost 23 out of 38, that must be a bad luck.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||chessmoron: Well on the bright side, Bacrot blanked this year's champion, Ivanchuk.|
|Nov-22-07|| ||Pulse: <chessmoron> You're right, although there must have been a transmission error, because I'm pretty sure you don't play French Defense themes in the Caro.|
|Nov-23-07|| ||notyetagm: Could someone please list the best games played in this blitz tournament? Were there any brilliancy prizes? |
|Nov-23-07|| ||chessmoron: Don't be lazy. Analyze 380 games by yourself and find out what's the best.|
|Nov-23-07|| ||notyetagm: <chessmoron: Don't be lazy. Analyze 380 games by yourself and find out what's the best.>|
Personally I really like Dreev's -two- wins over Kramnik. :-)
|Nov-23-07|| ||kellmano: For novelty value, I'm claiming Ivanchuk vs Leko, 2007|
|Nov-23-07|| ||KamikazeAttack: <jon01: Bacrot lost 23 out of 38, that must be a bad luck.>|
Funny thing Bacrot did well in qualifying for the blitz final.
|Nov-23-07|| ||KamikazeAttack: Is it really true that poor nerve is the main reason why Big Chucky has underachieved?|
I have always doubted this.
Look at his composure during blitz. He is as calm as a cucumber. Anyone with poor nerves can be excellent in rapid and blitz like Chucky is.
His problem could down to momentary loss of concentration from time to time or at key moments.
Anyone staring into space like for forever won’t be with us from time to time, I’d have thought.
|Nov-23-07|| ||refutor: i don't think the nerves have more to do with the significance of the event (e.g. linares, world championship qualifier, etc.) rapid events and "world blitz cups" are not as prestigious, hence the nerves are a non-issue|
|Nov-23-07|| ||Jim Bartle: "Don't be lazy. Analyze 380 games by yourself and find out what's the best."|
I'm finished with games 1 to 5 already! Wait for my final report in March.
|Nov-23-07|| ||chancho: Crosstable for this event.
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