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|Nov-12-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <Armenia: When the Armenian goalkeeper came out of the penalty area and raised his arms, the main referee was 29.7m away.>|
Beyond its innate boringness, this is another problem with soccer. You have one referee running around trying to call the whole field. I have been told it's the Europeans who object to any change in the matter. I don't know, but this is just one of many cases that show the game is under officiated.
|Nov-12-11|| ||Refused: <OhioChessFan: <Armenia: When the Armenian goalkeeper came out of the penalty area and raised his arms, the main referee was 29.7m away.>
Beyond its innate boringness, this is another problem with soccer. You have one referee running around trying to call the whole field. I have been told it's the Europeans who object to any change in the matter. I don't know, but this is just one of many cases that show the game is under officiated.>|
Yeah, Baseball is so much more entertaining to watch... Well, nah, not really.
|Nov-12-11|| ||Natalia Pogonina: <alexmagnus> Guess that has to do with news on chess being generally scarce in any country. Even in Russia there was no hype about our victory at all. Maybe a few lines in some God-forgotten parts of sports websites...|
|Nov-12-11|| ||ARMENIA: http://www.ehow.com/how_2056751_be-...|
Read this.. I am not even giving you the offical UEFA handbook printout which states the same!
Point 12: Advise the referee should the need arise. Consult on fouls which the referee might not have been able to see
O and I do have plenty of free time... I am living my life the way I had always wanted... They love what you do and you won't work a day of your life...
In any case, whoever said futbol is boring and slow, is going to futbol hell:D
|Nov-12-11|| ||Chlipchlop: <ARMENIA>
Quote: "I have made 288 calls to UEFA's offices over the past month and I have written 56 letters addressed to Mr. Platini..."
If you like to send so many letters, you should join Amnesty International, it would do more good than harassing Mr Platini or anyone in the FIFA about referees.
President of "Amnesty for Referees International" ;)
|Nov-13-11|| ||lost in space: And in German news (television, newspaper, n-tv etc.) nothing about the win of the german mans team. Scarce is even exaggerating.|
|Nov-13-11|| ||Eastfrisian: Yes, and that is sad enough.|
|Nov-13-11|| ||brankat: Considering the History of chess, and many great masters Germany has had, it is a bit surprising to see chess at such a low end of the popularity scale.|
|Nov-13-11|| ||hilfsmatt: There was an article in Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on 12 November 2011. The sucess of the German team did not go unnoticed. The popularity of other sports is higher, though. Only chess world championships make it into the headlines|
|Nov-13-11|| ||ahmadov: Thanks to everybody who sincerely congratulated the Azeri team for their second place!|
|Nov-13-11|| ||ahmadov: Meanwhile, congratulations to the German team! They played well and it is quite surprising that they managed to beat the strong Armenian team in the final round... However, I like when teams least expected to win, win the gold in these types of championships. I think Romania could also produce more surprising results, but unfortunately they failed...|
|Nov-13-11|| ||bronkenstein: Speaking of chess popularity ie media coverage , I was reading Evgeny Bareev`s chess column in Soviet Sport during the ETCC . When you enter the site , offered categories are <footbal> , <basketball> , <boxing> , <hockey> , <tennis> , <formula one> , <biathlon> (!) and - <others> - OFC I found him there.|
|Nov-13-11|| ||Eti fan: Congrats to the Germans, interesting they based all their strategy on a board with black pieces, no one could expect this. Meier and Naiditsh talk about this here http://www.chessdom.com/georg-meier...|
|Nov-13-11|| ||PhilFeeley: Why did Aronian settle for last round draw - and a short one at that? He should have played every game to win. That's leadership.|
|Nov-13-11|| ||Refused: <PhilFeeley: Why did Aronian settle for last round draw - and a short one at that? He should have played every game to win. That's leadership.>|
The point is the opening line Naiditsch picked. It's the same line Smeets and Nakamura went for against Kramnik in Wijk earlier this year and both went away with an easy draw. If any given 2700 player wants to draw with white against the Berlin defense, that's the way they play it. You get an absolutely dull and symmetrical position, that no 2700 player is going to lose with white.
I read somewhere that Aronian always feels a bit angry towards players, who just pick that drawing line and avoid the complicated endgames associated with the Berlin defense.
Just check the Nakamura - Kramnik game form Wijk 2011 and you'll see what I mean.
|Nov-13-11|| ||frogbert: of course, it wouldn't be illegal for aronian to opt for something else than the berlin...|
|Nov-13-11|| ||Ezzy: One of the biggest shocks in recent times! Well done Germany!! Beating the mighty Armenia confirmed their greatest result since winning the Olympiad in 1939!|
If every player plays consistently within a team, this is what can happen. All the same it would be difficult to back Germany to win it, with all the other mighty strong teams playing.
Just a fantastic effort by all the German team. It just shows how these lesser ranked players are dangerous and can 'pull off' a shock win when needed.
Again I'm disappointed by my own teams showing (England) who once again badly underachieved. Adams was in imperious form with the second highest rating performance behind Mamedjyrov. Our third board David Howell was in horrible form and scored a measly 0.5/5 and lost 23 rating points in 5 games. Nigel Short played under par and was rather brilliant or dreadful.
An amazing last round where any of 3 teams could have won it, but Germany somehow pulled off the shock win.
Fantastic performance, one they'll remember for a long time.
|Nov-13-11|| ||Refused: <frogbert: of course, it wouldn't be illegal for aronian to opt for something else than the berlin...>|
Ofc. But he probably did not expect Naiditsch to go for the dull short draw in a Team match.
And otherwise the Berlin is not that dull, it's just that one line. If Aronian wanted to draw, he would've played the Marhsall. But stuff like that happens.
To be clear I don't blame neither Aronian nor Naiditsch for that game.
Naiditsch played what he considered best for the team result, and the team title clearly says, that he did the right thing. Aronian was probably far from happy and he probably did not expect Naiditsch who has played fighting chess this tournament to take the short draw with white.
But that's how an eleven move draw came into being. It had nothing to do with Aronian being unwilling to fight.
|Nov-13-11|| ||Appaz: I line up with a big congratulation for Germany!
If this somehow could raise the interest of chess in Germany, which already have one of the strongest (semi-) professional leagues, that would be very good for chess.
As it happened, I met a random young German fellow on the pub Saturday and congratulated him on the victory, half jokingly, as I did not expect him to care at all, and rightly so: he just gave me a blank stare and a polite smile.
I'm a bit pessimistic and believe he is quite representative for the common German interest.
|Nov-13-11|| ||ControlledDemolition: <Deutschland uber alles!> Next thing you know, they'll control a Europen single currency and have half of Europe eating out of their hand.|
|Nov-13-11|| ||Refused: But I wonder, what the page would look like, if the 11 move draw had been Grischuk vs. Aronian and not Naiditsch vs. Aronian. I bet we could see another 2 pages ranting about Grischuk's lazyness. :)|
|Nov-13-11|| ||badest: <Refused: But I wonder, what the page would look like, if the 11 move draw had been Grischuk vs. Aronian and not Naiditsch vs. Aronian. I bet we could see another 2 pages ranting about Grischuk's lazyness. :)> :D at least! I feel draws like that should result in 0 points for both players.|
|Nov-13-11|| ||checkmateyourmove: curious to know chess fan's game of the tourney ?????? im all ears!|
|Nov-13-11|| ||Everett: <And otherwise the Berlin is not that dull, it's just that one line. If Aronian wanted to draw, he would've played the Marhsall. But stuff like that happens.>|
My have times changed...
|Nov-14-11|| ||ajile: Congratulations to Vugar Gashimov for yet again winning a game as Black with the suppoosedly "inferior" Benoni Defense.|
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