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|Oct-05-10|| ||rapidcitychess: <chancho> LOL! I'm no longer afraid of hearing impraitment!|
|Oct-06-10|| ||whiteshark: <2010 Chess Olympiad : <Statistical overview>> – Want to know who the largest performers were? Which team won the most games, not to be confused with the most matches? How about the teams that did well, but won the fewest games? Curious about who the biggest Elo winners were? If any of these questions are gnawing at you, then read on as we give you the lowdown on the Olympiad’s stats, with table after table to sate your curiosity. --> http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...|
|Oct-06-10|| ||asianwarrior: Are there any news forthose who acquired higher titles? How about the mostimproved country?|
|Oct-06-10|| ||polarmis: Bareev, Kramnik, Shipov and others on the performance of the Russian men's team - Bareev, in particular, doesn't disappoint (unless you're one of his scapegoats!):|
|Oct-06-10|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <I was calling him about that. Even before Morozevich’s refusal we’d taken the decision to create two almost equal teams: one “very strong and experienced”, another “very strong and young”.>|
Trying to hedge your bets in this manner seems, as people like to say on here, "suboptimal." As Kramnik said, world competition is getting tougher and tougher, so why would you dilute your top squad? They don't have the strength to do that anymore. All it takes is one player out of form and there goes the gold medal.
|Oct-06-10|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: Than again I see that they did follow rating order.|
|Oct-06-10|| ||AuN1: there was not a lot that bareev could have done according to his account. apparently some of the players that could have been good substitutes for malakhov refused to be sacrificial lambs. |
it is tough to fault them for including malakhov too, when you recall his performance at the world team championships earlier this year. he helped russia seal the gold there with some gutsy performances. the opposition may not have been as strong, but his results spoke for themselves. unfortunately, he is not really a professional chess player. he is actually a physicist, who was on loan to the chess team. that could explain why he was so hot last year, and so cold this year.
all in all, i think russia should be slightly worried if their youngsters don't step their game up, because their rivals seem to be doing just that, as evidenced by the performance of countries such as israel and ukraine.
|Oct-06-10|| ||Troller: I agree, it's only in retrospect that one can easily criticize the inclusion of Malakhov. He should be a pretty tough reserve player IMO.|
<all in all, i think russia should be slightly worried if their youngsters don't step their game up, because their rivals seem to be doing just that, as evidenced by the performance of countries such as israel and ukraine.>
Hmm, not Israel I think; their team was relatively old, and the top dogs are Soviet born. As for Russia, Vitiugov, Tomashevsky, Andreikin and especially Nepomniachtchi all look promising. Karjakin is already established in the elite. A few years later Sjugirov is coming; Russia will remain a force to be reckoned with the next decades it seems.
|Oct-06-10|| ||polarmis: AuN1, Malakhov considers himself a professional chess player. See this interview: http://www.chessintranslation.com/2...|
Though admittedly you can see he's not willing to sacrifice his home life in order to put in the kind of effort that might raise him up to the top-10 level.
|Oct-06-10|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <it is tough to fault them for including malakhov too, when you recall his performance at the world team championships earlier this year. he helped russia seal the gold there with some gutsy performances.>|
It reminds me a lot of Brazil's much crueler fate at the world cup this year. Several of Dunga's choices were criticized (but this is impossible to avoid with that team) and his defense was "look, these are the guys that have been winning, we won the confederations cup, qualifying went smoothly, etc." I agree with him and feel like there is no guarantee at the world football level in a single elimination tournament, just like Russia can't guarantee anything anymore because there are several other strong teams around the world.
Of course this did not stop Brazil from firing Dunga almost immediately after they lost the quarterfinal to the Dutch. I can't remember if they waited for him to leave South Africa or not.
They also had added stress from people who felt his team didn't play in the Brazilian style (regardless of results). It must not have helped that Pelé was among them.
|Oct-06-10|| ||Rolfo: Thanks to polarmis :)|
|Oct-06-10|| ||moronovich: <SetNoEscapeOn> I think they waited till after the arrival.|
|Oct-06-10|| ||AuN1: <It reminds me a lot of Brazil's much crueler fate at the world cup this year. Several of Dunga's choices were criticized (but this is impossible to avoid with that team) and his defense was "look, these are the guys that have been winning, we won the confederations cup, qualifying went smoothly, etc.">|
don't even get me started on dunga; you knew brazil might be in trouble after the confederation cup performance against the u.s. their comeback was magnanimous, but the fact that they needed to come from behind, 0-2, showed that they were vulnerable.
|Oct-07-10|| ||TITIKIZA: < Sealth: Twinlark: The Zambian team (seeded 121; placed 47th out of 148 active teams
Good result, even without the help of Amon Simutowe> Amon demands a lot of money. He creates confusion in the team. It was good he was not in the team.|
|Oct-07-10|| ||twinlark: <TITIKIZA>
I'm sorry to hear that.
I notice that none of Zambia's players on FIDE's active list represented your country at the Olympiad, and that your team consisted of previously "inactive" players and newly registered and unrated players.
It makes the achievement of this team all the more magnificent.
|Oct-07-10|| ||nimh: Or they are just too poor to register in tournaments and thereby having an ELO that doesn't correspond to their abilities.|
There may be a plethora of unknown players on the Earth who have similar shortage of rating points.
|Oct-07-10|| ||alexmagnus: They were low seeded not because their elo didn't correspond to their ability but because they had unrated players in the team. When seeding, the unrated players were counted as if they were rated 1200.|
|Oct-07-10|| ||twinlark: At the last Olympiad in Dresden, Zambia came 117th, with Amon Simutowe on first board, and Andrew Kayonde, Daniel Jere, and Kelvin Chumfwa on boards 2, 3 and 4 respectively (http://www.olimpbase.org/2008/2008z...). There was no reserve/board 5.|
Simutowe and Jere both scored 8.5/10 (Zambia missed the first round), while Kayonde and Kelvin Chumfwa lost 10 and 9 straight games respectively (scoring exactly 0 between them), enabling Zambia to draw 8 and lose 2 matches.
Jere, Kayonde, and Kelvin Chumfwa also played in this Olympiad, and look at their results this time: Chess Olympiad (2010): Jere 6.5/10 on board 2, Kayonde 5/8 as board 5, and Kelvin Chumfwa 2/8 on board 4. The new boards 1 and 3 scored splendidly, with Stanley Chumfwa (2315) defeating a GM and an IM, enabling Zambia to <6 wins>, 1 draw, and 4 losses....and 47th place.
Basically the same team, all of whom have been inactive in FIDE rated events for most of the time since that last Olympiad, with an untitled 2315 substituting for their star GM, coming up as the overachievers of the Olympiad...<outstanding>.
|Oct-07-10|| ||alexmagnus: From the first table I see that Kayonde and K.Chumfwa didn't <lose> all games but <forfeited> them all (w/o) in 2008.|
|Oct-07-10|| ||whiteshark: Zambia was only playing as a half team (2 men) in Dresden 2008. (due to visa problems?)|
|Oct-07-10|| ||twinlark: You're both absolutely quite right, of course. Still an outstanding effort though.|
|Oct-08-10|| ||splatty: <HeMateMe: The International Committee of Silent Chess <(I.C.S.C.)> was founded in 1949 in Copenhagen (Denmark) and is recognised by Federation Internationale des Echecs (F.I.D.E.) and by the International Olympic Committee (I.O.C.); it publishes its periodical magazine "Mitteilungsblatt" (I.C.S.C. Bulletin) every four months.|
The I.C.S.C. is an international organisation based on voluntary service. It establishes and organizes the World Individuals events for both Deaf men and women, World Teams Deaf Chess Championships, European, Asian (Continental) Clubs Chess Championships and friendly international tournaments.
I was kind of surprised that there would be a large organization for deaf chess players--Would a hearing impairment make any difference at the chess board?> I can imagine it being difficult to notice if your opponent cheats unless you kept an eye on the board constantly, or for the arbiter to communicate stuff to you, but generally speaking I can't see how deafness can effect chess very much. Blindness is a major handicap but not being able to hear shouldn't effect chess playing much, although it would effect some of the practical aspects of tournament play a little bit. It's a bit like having a swimming organisation for people with a low IQ or a cycling organisation for people who are left handed.
|Oct-08-10|| ||Bdellovibrio: <Blindness is a major handicap but not being able to hear shouldn't effect chess playing much, although it would effect some of the practical aspects of tournament play a little bit.> It would impair one's ability to learn chess, as I imagine a small fraction of good teachers and trainers can sign...|
|Oct-09-10|| ||pawnq: This in response to Tikiza on his post 07/10. Tikiza - I am actually Amon. You may want to know that I used my personal funds to represent Zambia on more than 30 occassions not to mention my contributions to Zambian chess.|
What is true is that I asked the federation to address the issue. People in Zambia thought the federation or Ministry of Sport were paying.
I hear the federation was spreading a rumour that I had demanded an amount equivalent to what they would pay me for several trips. Does it make sense to you that a person who has even been paying to represent his country would demand something unresonable?....not to mention I didnt demand anything except tell the federation to address the issue?
Anyway, this is just for your information and a reminder that you might to check the other side especially if your information is negative because there is always two sides of the story.
Best Regards, Amon
|Oct-10-10|| ||splatty: Well said Amon, people shouldn't be so judgmental when they haven't got a clue about the facts. Good luck in your future tournaments sir.|
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