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|Apr-05-05|| ||WillC21: <refutor> Why not? Their FIDE ratings are nearly equal. Nakamura gets a little more exerience, tightens up his opening repetoire, and of course he can play Radjabov. If this wasn't the case then Garry Kasparov would not have said in his recent chessbase.com interview that he thinks the players of the future are Nakamura, Karjakin, and Radjabov. |
|Apr-05-05|| ||iron maiden: He didn't mention Radjabov, actually; rather it was Nakamura, Carlsen and Karjakin if memory serves. I think the question might actually be whether Radjabov could be competitive with Naka, given the latter's form of late. |
|Apr-05-05|| ||Backward Development: < If this wasn't the case then Garry Kasparov would not have said in his recent chessbase.com interview that he thinks the players of the future are Nakamura, Karjakin, and Radjabov.>|
He didn't say Radjabov, he said Carlsen.
His big three for the future were Nakamura, Karjakin, and Carlsen.
|Apr-05-05|| ||WillC21: <iron maiden> LOL. Despite my mistake, I guess you're in agreement with me. |
|Apr-05-05|| ||WillC21: <iron maiden> In all fairness, however, Kasparov and Radjabov hate one another, so it might have been disrespect on Kasparov's part to exclude Radja from the list. Certainly Carles, Naka, and Karjakin are not significantly better Radja as of the current moment. |
|Apr-05-05|| ||WillC21: By disrespect, I mean purposeful disrespect, not a slip of memory. |
|Apr-05-05|| ||iron maiden: It's certainly a possibility, since both have very good reasons to hate one another. But I'd also say that Radjabov has the least potential of the four. At least that's how it appears to me at the moment. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||Champ Supernova: <iron maiden> I think you might be underestimating Radjabov. He has shown over the years that he can play with the absolute elite (BEATING kasparov, anand,etc.) and recently won the bronze medal at the FIDE WCC knockout. He has been playing less in the last 1-1.5 years, but when he does, he does so very well. He and Nakamura should now be roughly equal in rating, with the latter making his spurts recently and Radjabov doing the same one or 2 years ago. Radja can only really increase his rating if he starts playing with 2650-2700 players at the least and he has done that very little recently. I consider them equal and would expect a match between them to be very close, but still giving a slight advantage to Radja. Remember, he also has that extraordinary fighting spirit and was heavily cheered by Kasparov after those Linares events. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||Minor Piece Activity: <was heavily cheered by Kasparov after those Linares events.> Yes, particularly on stage. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||WillC21: <Champ Supernova><was heavily cheered by Kasparov after those Linares events.>
The exact opposite is true. He feels Radja is not as good as the other three wonderkids, claimed Radja only beat him due to a blunder he made, and claimed his game in Linares should never be worthy of the brilliancy prize. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||Champ Supernova: <willc21> Everything changed after that loss. His claim that he is not as good as the other three wonderkids was made right now and is based on his dislike of Radjabov. But Kasparov praised him a lot before the "brilliancy". |
|Apr-06-05|| ||WillC21: <Champ Supernova> First, my opinion is the four teenagers are all competitive with one another. I think Kasparov cheered Radja before Linares largely in part because they are both from Baku, not soley based off of Radja having completely proven himself. |
Anyway, the question arose can Nakamura be competitive with Radjabov? I think the answer is a resounding yes, with many people here suspecting Nakamura might even be the favorite in a head-to-head match. Having said all that, even if we are "slightly" underestimating Radjabov it doesn't really matter from a practical standpoint; Radja's rating has stagnated and if he wants to enter the 2700+ club he needs to step it up, cause resting on his laurels isn't going to get him there.
|Apr-06-05|| ||acirce: <His claim that he is not as good as the other three wonderkids was made right now and is based on his dislike of Radjabov. But Kasparov praised him a lot before the "brilliancy".> It is indeed dangerous to beat Kasparov. Before 2000, he always praised Kramnik and held him in extremely high regard. Then he did the unforgivable and is now the constant subject of attacks in an ever growing number of interviews and statements.|
As for who is the most promising of the prodigies, it is extremely hard to say. Radjabov having "stagnated" for a couple of years doesn't necessarily mean anything. He has already proven much more than Naka, Karjakin and Carlsen but of course they have time.
|Apr-06-05|| ||square dance: <acirce> i think one problem kasparov has with radjabov is that he was claiming kasparov was already "totally lost" in interviews after that game. and as for kramnik he has no problem critisizing kasparov, so i think tournabout is fair play. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||iron maiden: <He has already proven much more than Naka, Karjakin and Carlsen> Well, we have to consider that Radjabov's been given more opportunities than the other three combined. Radja's played in two Linares tournaments, plus Wijk aan Zee and Dortmund. Karjakin has only been invited once to an elite event, and Naka and Carlsen not at all. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||acirce: <Radjabov .. was claiming kasparov was already "totally lost" in interviews after that game.> I didn't know he claimed that. Kasparov was definitely not "totally lost" before his blunder. Unclear position, maybe a bit worse but probably balanced.|
<and as for kramnik he has no problem critisizing kasparov> Absolutely, however I think it's mainly done in self-defence. At least it's nowhere near as intense as the campaign against him.
|Apr-06-05|| ||Champ Supernova: <iron maiden> Naka played in Corus B and finished well but not among the leaders. Naka played in the same Fide WCC knockout tourney as Radja. Karjakin has played in Dortmund, Bundesliga and so many other top tournaments. Carlsen has also played against MANY 2600+players. Under these conditions, Radja has been the only one to perform extremely well at times. And he is currently leading a tournament. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||iron maiden: I was talking about the elite tournaments--Corus, Linares, Dortmund. I wouldn't say that Radjabov performed "extremely well," btw, unless you're talking about his even score at Linares '04. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||Champ Supernova: and his bronze medal at the fide wcc knockout tournament 2004. |
|Apr-06-05|| ||iron maiden: But that was chiefly due to rapid tiebreaks. Actually, Nakamura won more matches in standard time control than did Radjabov. |
|Nov-24-05|| ||Karl Marx Artiaga: congratulations nakamura!|
|Jan-31-07|| ||Dr.Lecter: Why did these two play?
|Dec-04-09|| ||ycbaywtb: i was using the search key to look at opponents Nakamura has faced, and found he has actually defeated Karjakin in a match a few years ago, look which 3 players Kasparov pointed out a few years ago, according to this old post <<<< Backward Development: < If this wasn't the case then Garry Kasparov would not have said in his recent chessbase.com interview that he thinks the players of the future are Nakamura, Karjakin, and Radjabov.>
He didn't say Radjabov, he said Carlsen. the post i inserted was from 2005 i think|
His big three for the future were Nakamura, Karjakin, and Carlsen. >>>>>
seems like Kasparov knew what the heck he was talking about.
|Aug-24-10|| ||Everett: <..seems like Kasparov knew what the heck he was talking about> ...except he didn't mention Aronian.|
|Aug-24-10|| ||acirce: ...or Radjabov...|
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