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|May-25-05|| ||catfriend: <mandar> Thank you:) That was a kind thing to say:)
BTW means By The Way in net-slang.
OK, last post on the subject:)
First, it's ok, I'm really not offended, I just wanted to object to some notions mentioned by <ariel>. I'm not feeling bad about it nor did I, obviously, think <ariel> thinks bad of me! It's just that the problem he mentions, though a concerning one, isn't created by 7-11 children, nor can it be solved by banning them from the site.
Until we realize nothing positive can be got via constant quarreling, nothing will improve, and telling a certain group that it's not welcome is hardly a good way to create a good athmoshpere! You said yourself, <ariel>, that some children are certainly mature enough to be here. Well, first of all young chess-players are more probably mature enough than many other sectors, and also you have no good way to decide whether a given kid qualifies as a mature and useful poster in <cg.com>! So I think the existing way is a very good one! I belive whole-heartedly the great <admin> we have (no irony!) is quite capable of deciding which kibitzes and kibitzers should be blocked.
Although not everything said was pleasant, I think we did no harm, and clarified an important subject!
<catfriend>, hoping no grudges will be held.
|May-25-05|| ||Stevens: Hi <ariel>! How are you? Maybe this should switch to another page but then everyone there wouldn't know what we were talking about! I agree with your points that people should converse as if they were in the same room, with the respect due to someone they don't know very well. I think also that complete freedom on the internet is unwise for children under the age of say 11 years old. |
I guess the great thing about these "rooms" is that old and young and people with very different views on how to treat each other get to meet and interact. Unfortunately those very benefits lead to constant conflict to a lesser or greater degree. Were we all in a room we would naturally congregate after a time with those who we got on with best, and sit apart from those who irritated us, but here we are constantly in the same room, around the same table - able to hear what everyone says all the time. I've come to realise that if people annoy or upset you just ignore them. Not necessarily by using the ignore feature, but just by not responding to them.
|May-25-05|| ||Stevens: By the way <ariel> what did you make of the new rules at the MTel tournament regarding draws?|
|May-25-05|| ||gabrielr: Wow, this is like watching Oprah. I think I am going to cry.|
|May-25-05|| ||Stevens: <gabriel> who gets to be oprah? ;-)|
|May-25-05|| ||arielbekarov: <catfriend> I am afraid that you haven't understood me.
When I am mentioning that the age group of 7-11 years old children shouldn't have a profile never mind how mature, doesn't mean they are creating a problem. They are surely not! But, you have to understand that I have to tell how I see it as a so called adult person. This is a question of responsibility and I can't gamble with what I think is right and important.|
Young children (7-11 years) need a grown-up, hopefully mature person for guiding them and help them to make the meeting with Internet to a fruitful one. I don't want them to be banned. But, I prefer to present the world of Internet slowly for them, which means having all the options except for kibitzing. We are not aware of the age the kibitzer has before some postings, if not like you presenting it on your profile.
I can imagine a child at the age of seven getting a rude and ironic answer and this will harm the contact with a grown-up for long time.
It's absolutely not needed !
I don't want to ban them! I want to be sure that they are ready to meet a new lovely world, where some idea of what can be written is well prepared. That's all!
Now, it's hard to digest for you, but I am sure you will understand better with some more years. This might be called experience of life.
This is not a quarrel! We are discussing without getting personal and this is worth a lot!
All the best!
|May-25-05|| ||arielbekarov: <Stevens> Good that you try to sort this out because it's very important that my slightly younger friends do understand me well. It would be sad, if I won't be able to make my point as it is expressed in English.|
What do I think about the new ideas first presented in Sofia ?
The tournament was a real great one and some of the games were breath taking. I followed the now famous
Veselin Topalov vs Judit Polgar 1/2-1/2.
This was not the only extraordinary game and it seems that the new rules are the ones that made it possible.
So I am very much in favor of them.
It will be great in San Luis, Argentina.
The future looks bright for chess!
|May-25-05|| ||Stevens: <ariel> I though the new rules made for much more entertaining games. What puts me off following some live games is that you sit there for 2 hours watching the play develop and then from out of nowhere DRAW! So dissapointing. |
Like i said, i thought it made watching the games more interesting, but some will always say that the quality of the chess will drop if players aren't allowed to agree to short draws in tournaments. Sometimes i agree with this but sometimes i think it's good to watch a baseball game where there are lots of runs and the games' momentum shifts backward and forth with some wild play, and sometimes it's good to see perfect pitching and perfect defense, even at the "expense" of lots of runs.
|May-25-05|| ||goosey2: <arielbekarov> Forget your total argument about kids and adults. Who cares who is anonimous and who isn't. It doesn't matter. So take it easy. Don't try and make everyone the same as you.
|May-25-05|| ||madlydeeply: this is the first time I ever laughed out loud sitting by myself looking at this website|
|May-26-05|| ||percyblakeney: The final Chessbase report from Sofia, at least the Kramnik cartoon is a bit fun:|
|May-26-05|| ||hintza: They all look so happy, even Ponomariov. It's great to see!|
|May-26-05|| ||Annie K.: Thanks <keypusher> and <Gregor Samsa Mendel>. I'll add those games to the collection. :)|
Very well said, <catfriend>! :)
|May-26-05|| ||arielbekarov: <hintza> It is really very good to see!|
Obviously they respect and like each other.
|May-27-05|| ||SnakeMan: I have been enjoying this site for more than two years now, i dont write much, but i like to read all interesting discussions about players, positions and that stuff.|
And now i see this boring discussion, come on!!! dont waste the time arguing about so insignificant matters of children, anonymous people, dont start making this site a boring place like, lets talk about chess, please dont mess the site.
|May-27-05|| ||sandyobrien: <percyblakeney>
I hope he didn't take that as an insult. Very funny, however.
|May-28-05|| ||PanamaChess: I wanted to share with everbody that from June 21 to June 27, GM Michael Adams will play a 6 games match against the considered most powerfull Computer today, Hydra.|
It is said that hydra has been never beaten by humans yet, i remember that a time ago Topalov, Radjabov and somebody else played computers Hydra,Deep Blue and Fritz 7 and they got demolished by these computers.
I have watch some Hydra games and its great,i hope that Adams will be able to at leat beat Hydra once.
to read the whole notice go to
|May-28-05|| ||goosey2: umm... <sandyobrien> Do you really think Kramnik reads the junk posted on this site????|
|May-28-05|| ||SnoopDogg: <It is said that hydra has been never beaten by humans yet> Correction, never been beaten by a human besides correspondence chess. GM Nickel, not even 2600, crushed Hydra with the black pieces and later again with white.|
|May-28-05|| ||MrSifter: Don't matter, it's been outplayed convincingly enough.|
|May-29-05|| ||SnoopDogg: <a time ago Topalov, Radjabov and somebody else played computers Hydra,Deep Blue and Fritz 7> What?? Deep Blue was disassembled years ago, they have a Fritz 8 now and Radjabov was nowhere near Bilbao where Topalov, Karjakin, and Ponomariov played against Hydra, Junior 9, and Fritz 8. Karjakin thrashed Junior, Topalov almost won Hydra and Ponomariov sucked the whole tournament. I'll admit the humans did get slaughtered but it was not any of the GM's best day or even good day for that matter and plus these are not the best players in the world. Maybe Topalov but Ponomariov and Karjakin...no.|
|May-29-05|| ||MrSifter: <SnoopDogg> It doesn't really matter. Topalov showed he outplayed the machine, Karjakin, who wasn't even brought in as a represntative of the best human chess players, (just as a young star which would be attract more people to the event) toasted Junior in excellent style. Ponomariov was obviously in bad form and no one really takes his bad perfomance very seriously because of that.|
|Jun-14-05|| ||Annie K.: I just found M-Tel on the list of tournaments to be rated for the July 2005 ratings list:|
So it's a rated tournament after all. :)
|Sep-09-07|| ||Cactus: What was the end result?|
|Sep-09-07|| ||Karpova: <Cactus>
MTel Masters (2005)
Just add <&crosstable=1> at the end of the link to see the final standings
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