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|Jun-12-06|| ||Marvol: <codtd>: what about the historic win for Armenia?|
That is actually what I remember most of all.
Then I also remember the Russians finishing 6th - historically low - and, indeed, Kramniks return to form.
Anand underperforming is nothing to remember AFAIC, everyone's got bad spells sometimes and this was one of his, duh.
|Jun-12-06|| ||cotdt: this olympiad will be remembered for one thing, and one thing only, then. Gormally beating up Aronian and Yasser Serawein's subsequent martial arts moves to save Aronian.|
|Jun-12-06|| ||Chopin: <cotdt> <this olympiad will be remembered for two things, and two things only: kramnik's comeback and ana>|
I will remember this olympiad for losing all my chessbucks on Russia.
|Jun-12-06|| ||IMlday: I will remember this Olympics for (a) extra-Spartan accomodation; (b) Aronian and the Armenian wave; (c) Kramnik's return to health.|
|Jun-13-06|| ||Benzol: I heard through the grape-vine that whilst the playing facilities were adequate the facilities for bathing and the accomodation were somewhat lacking.|
|Jun-14-06|| ||acirce: <Incidentally, there was nothing to stop the chief arbiter Geurt Gijssen from double-forfeiting Armenia and Hungary for their pre-arranged match, but that would take some courage and Gijssen is not known for standing up to the top players or FIDE.>|
<Armenia and Hungary broke the rules by agreeing to a result before the match started - just as Armenia and Georgia had done at the previous Olympiad.
Both deals were common knowledge at the Olympiad; indeed the Israelis told the arbiters the score of the Georgia-Armenia match in 2004 before it had started. (Despite the official protest, lodged before the match, the arbiters took no action.) It just requires a bit of courage by arbiters to stop the flagrant rule-breaking but noone is prepared to do it. In this case Gijssen could have proven the breach easily, since the players were openly discussing it long before the games began. He just didn't have the guts to do it. (Note that Gijssen was not to blame in 2004 - Leong was chief arbiter.)>
If this is correct, it looks like a great scandal to me. Pre-arranged draws are of course commonplace, but the equivalent of this would never be tolerated in an important individual tournament. Imagine the leader of next year's World Championship tournament openly discussing beforehand with someone out of contention to agree to a draw in the final round to secure the former's victory.
|Jun-14-06|| ||notyetagm: <acirce> Totally agree with you. Armenia and Hungary should have scored 0-0 as a result of a double forfeit.|
Scandalous to be so brazen about it. I remember the big scandal at the US Championship a few years back with the same problem in the last round. I don't know if those were pre-arranged though or just spontaneous short draws.
And you are right on your second point as well. Imagine if last year at San Luis if it was common knowledge that Topalov had pre-arranged a draw with Polgar late in the tournament before their game took place.
|Jun-14-06|| ||suenteus po 147: It is pre-arranged draws (and not GM draws) that make me question why both players sit down to play at all.|
|Jun-14-06|| ||DUS: <acirce> Usually I agree with your comments but this time let me to say something. Below are the games of 2004. ELOs clearly are showing who was strong. Also, if there was a pre-arrangement, why then it was not 4:0? Then Armenia could have been in the clear second place... Or you think Georgians wanted still to see Russia in the second place? Finally, if Armenia was able to beat the very strong team of Israel (having GM Gelfand!) 3:1, why to be surprised if Armenia beats also Georgia 3.5:0.5? |
GM Akopian 2692- GM Izoria 2600 1 - 0
GM Aronian 2675-GM Jobava 2614 ½ - ½
GM Vaganian 2640 -GM Gagunashvili 2567
1 - 0
GM Lputian 2634-GM Gelashvili 2576 1 - 0
|Jun-16-06|| ||itz2000: where can I see which place every country won? rankings, points, table etc?|
|Jun-18-06|| ||ARTIN: I think 2:2 between Armenia and Hungary is pretty normal. Hungary was unlikely to do better than that and they had a bad tournament so they probably wanted to go and get drunk. And Armenia, well, 2 points was sufficient for them. For sure Hungrary anticipated the draw offer and there may have been a friendly, informal discussion about it right before the games started. But that this discussion was planned etc, I find it very hard to believe. If the Armenian players were smart enough to lead for 8 rounds, they were smart enough to realize that Hungary is not a strong enough team to take the risk of prearranging games with them. |
Besides, the apparent "source" posted above, is not an article or anything of the sort. It's somebody's opinion.
|Jun-18-06|| ||s4life: <ARTIN: If the Armenian players were smart enough to lead for 8 rounds, they were smart enough to realize that Hungary is not a strong enough team to take the risk of prearranging games with them.>|
That's a slippery slope fallacious argument.
|Jun-20-06|| ||ARTIN: I think it's quite sound. Armenians had a mighty team in this Olympics. They totally dominated the whole event before the match with Hungary. Considering this, the probability that they would get their 2pts against a very weak Hungarian team is like .95. In fact, most likely they wouldn't even need 2pts, probably even 1 point would do (Armenia won 2pts ahead of the second place anyway). Which strong team is insane enough to risk an almost for sure victory by trying to fix a game. You make no sense at all.|
|Jun-24-06|| ||DUS: "The Hamilton-Russell challenge cup, awarded to winners of the World Chess Olympiads, has arrived in Yerevan for two years.|
Armenian chess fans hope the valuable trophy will stay longer in our country."
|Jun-25-06|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <itz2000: where can I see which place every country won? rankings, points, table etc?>|
This information is available on the official site for the Olympiad. Here is a link you can use:
|Jun-25-06|| ||WMD: Alternatively:
|Jun-25-06|| ||DUS: <itz2000: where can I see which place every country won? rankings, points, table etc?>|
The best is:
It gives the answers of all questions.
|Jul-04-06|| ||cuendillar: The relatively good result of the Vietnamese team proves that not all countries in south-east Asia are laosy at chess.|
|Jul-07-06|| ||notyetagm: Anyone know a link to where I can see what an official Chess Olympiad medal looks like? I am just really curious what these medals actually look like.|
|Jul-07-06|| ||iron maiden: The Chessbase report had some pictures of the team members with their medals. http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...|
|Sep-23-06|| ||samsal27: <Who said chesspeople are boring ?> LOL!|
|Dec-10-06|| ||Ch3ckmate: kramik had the highest performance rating of all participants tho he won only 4 games?|
|Dec-10-06|| ||Karpova: <Ch3ckmate> he won 4 games out of 9 and faced the strongest opposition of all participants.
|Dec-10-06|| ||code13: "Anyone know a link to where I can see what an official Chess Olympiad medal looks like? I am just really curious what these medals actually look like."|
Bill Hartston won the gold medal for board 3 in an Olympiad in the 70s (Siegen I think). He said that his medal looked suspiciously like the souvenir badges being sold at the event!!!
|Dec-11-06|| ||Chessdreamer: <code13<Chess Olympiad medal, check this:
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