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|Apr-23-11|| ||AVRO38: In terms of quality, the 1937 match is probably the greatest World Championship ever.|
|May-09-11|| ||ARubinstein: <In terms of quality, the 1937 match is probably the greatest World Championship ever.>|
I assume you're joking.
|May-10-11|| ||perfidious: < ARubinstein: <In terms of quality, the 1937 match is probably the greatest World Championship ever.>
<I assume you're joking.>|
Having seen some of <AVRO>'s other pronouncements, I rather doubt it.
<positionalgenius: My disdain for Alekhine is justified.This guy simply ran and never played a WCC match again.>
He could have played Keres, under the aegis of the Nazis, I suppose.
|May-10-11|| ||aliejin: "In terms of quality, the 1937 match is probably the greatest World Championship ever"|
I fully agree
The games are of exceptional quality.
Virtually no games no value
|May-11-11|| ||aliejin: "My disdain for Alekhine is justified"
it is justified until you become aware
of your ignorance
Anyone who knows history (basic it is enough ) can imagine what
it was Europe and the world from 1938 onwards ...
|May-11-11|| ||perfidious: <aliejin> Revisionist history lesson:|
In June 1938, Stalin and Hitler signed a treaty to make war on the forces of ignorance, released all prisoners in their respective countries, proclaimed their undying love for King George, and Capablanca beat Alekhine in six straight games to reclaim his world title.
The AVRO event was won by Capa, 14-0, and Euwe returned to university in defeat.
|Jul-18-11|| ||AVRO38: The picture on this page appears to be of the 1935 match. |
Can anyone confirm?
|Jul-19-11|| ||sneaky pete: <AVRO38> You're right. The picture stems from page 7 of Tartakower's book (published by the newspaper De Telegraaf) of the 1935 match.|
|Jul-19-11|| ||AVRO38: Thanks <sneaky pete>! The arbiter's desk and players' table were all raised in the 1937 match but here they all seem level with the ground. Also Alekhine was considerably heavier in 1937 than he is in this picture.|
|Jul-19-11|| ||aliejin: "... When I think of how my opponent created ingenious ideas and how he finished them in unexpected ways, I have only the greatest admiration for Alekhine's playing style.. "|
This words of Euwe ( see above ) remember me the following words of Reti
" Under the frozen layers of contemporary technique...
In games won by Alekhine
Shine burning desire to find new ways ... " ( From "capablanca" Panov )
|Mar-04-12|| ||StrongSquare: <WhiteRook48>..Capablanca lost the 1927 match by ACCIDENT????.....lol...what are you smoking? Alekhine studied Capablanca's games for years leading up to that match!|
|Mar-04-12|| ||StrongSquare: <talisman> Alekhine by the 1930's had no reason to fear Capablanca, nor was he "ducking" him; he merely wanted Capablanca to raise 10,000 dollars stake money to play a return match. This condition was in accordance with Capablanca's own wishes in his "London Rules" of 1922...look it up...every prospective challenger from 1922 onwards had a very hard time raising that 10K...Alekhine resented this condition greatly, and THAT is why Alekhine didn't play him: Capa couldn't raise the 10K.|
|Mar-05-12|| ||RookFile: Euwe didn't raise 10 thousand either, by the way, yet Alekhine played him. By the way, did you look at 1936 for example? How did Capa do that year compared to Alekhine?|
One other slight difference, heading into the rematch that this page covers, was that Capablanca had defeated Euwe in a match in 1931, but Alekhine had lost to Euwe in 1935.
|Mar-05-12|| ||AlanPardew: Euwe wasn't a signatory to the London Rules so he wasn't bound by it. But the Rules didn't require that $10,000 be the minimum match stakes, only that the champion could refuse to accept a challenge for a lesser amount. In both matches with Bogo (who was a party to the London Rules), Alekhine waived that right.|
<Alekhine resented this condition greatly, and THAT is why Alekhine didn't play him:>
Yes, he resented it, but I think he also used it as a pretext to avoid playing Capa. In the same way that Fischer used his match conditions to avoid playing the 1975 match.
|Mar-05-12|| ||RookFile: In other words, Alekhine played two matches with a circus clown, and two more with a guy who lost a match to Capa.|
Yes, it's all clear now.
|Mar-05-12|| ||AylerKupp: That's 3 more matches than Fischer was willing to play unless he was given the advantage of retaining his title if the match with Karpov reached 9 wins for each player.|
|Mar-05-12|| ||Olavi: Euwe or rather the Euwe committee raised the 10K in the sense that the winner's share was quaranteed. In other words, Euwe didn't receive a dime in 1935, while Alekhine got more than stipulated.|
|Mar-05-12|| ||RookFile: Not every page of chessgames relates to Fischer, even though sometimes it seems so. The topic of this page concerns Alekhine, Euwe, and Capa.|
|Mar-06-12|| ||AylerKupp: What does a page about the Euwe vs. Alekhine 1937 World Championship Match have to do with Capablanca or, for that matter, circus clowns?|
|Jun-01-12|| ||theoreticaldraw: <perfidious: He could have played Keres, under the aegis of the Nazis, I suppose.> |
Bogo was also available, in case anyone was clamoring for a trilogy.
|Jun-02-12|| ||MORPHYEUS: <theoreticaldraw: <perfidious: He could have played Keres, under the aegis of the Nazis, I suppose.>|
Bogo was also available, in case anyone was clamoring for a trilogy.>
You're not as funny as your brother.
|Jun-02-12|| ||Khapablanca: "Euwe won the first game with the black pieces"
Chesgamess.com, fix it, please. Looks like Euwe has the WHITE pieces in that very first game..
|Nov-26-12|| ||perfidious: < theoreticaldraw: Bogo was also available, in case anyone was clamoring for a trilogy.>|
Entirely possible, but by WWII, Bogo was over the hill, just another hasbeenusetawas. Yet another AA-Bogo match probably would have lacked even propaganda value.
|Jul-11-14|| ||Honza Cervenka: <The Rocket: "At the time, Euwe may we have been considered the favorite in the rematch, the idea being that Alekhine was drunk and washed up."|
Euwe was indeed concidered to be the favourite in this match beliave it or not.... it came as a suprise Alekhine took back the titel.
That tells you how times had change when one of the greatest players of all time is an underdog against someone like Max Euwe.>
After winning the match in 1935 Euwe was the 1st (together with Fine) for a half point ahead of Alekhine in Amsterdam 1936, the 2nd behind Fine in Zandvoort 1936 (Alekhine did not participate), the shared 3rd-5th with Fine and Reshevsky behind Capablanca and Botvinnik but once again a half point ahead of Alekhine in Nottingham 1936, the 1st in small double round robin in Bad Nauheim/Stuttgart/Garmisch in 1937 as usually ahead of Alekhine and Bogoljubov by a half point, and finally he had quite good performance (8,5/11) at chess olympiad in Stockholm (Alekhine did not participate). Alekhine's performances in the period between two matches with Euwe were not bad by any standard, he was the 1st in Dresden 1936, the shared 1st with Keres in Bad Nauheim 1936, the 2nd a half point behind Flohr in Podebrady 1936, only the 6th but just for 1 point behind winners in Nottingham 1936 with performance 9/14 (not bad at all), the 1st ahead of Fine in Hastings 1936/7, the 3rd behind Keres and Fine in Margate 1937, and the shared 4th-5th with Keres just a half point behind Petrov, Flohr and Reshevsky in Kemeri 1937. But in comparison to his utter dominance before the 1935 match this was nothing special, and in all tournaments, where he met Euwe, he finished behind him with complete score in their five games +1-2=2 from Alehine's perspektive (he won the game in Nottingham but lost one in Amsterdam and one in Bad Nauheim). Euwe was younger and still improving, while Alekhine seemed to be already in decline. That is why Euwe was considered to be favourite in the 1937 rematch. But the score of the match and especially the content of games showed quite clearly who was still the boss then. In optimal form Alekhine was a beast.
|Aug-02-14|| ||thegoodanarchist: <chessgames.com>: There is an error on this page. Your summary states that <Euwe won the first game with the <<black>> pieces...>.|
But the first game link goes to
Euwe vs Alekhine, 1937, where clearly Euwe has the White pieces.
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