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| Petrosianic: <(Actually his preparations began when Alekhine was a teenager, for he was sure all the way back then that one day Capa would be the world champ and that he, Alekhine, would be the challenger.) Prophetic!>
It's also a little dubious. Alekhine stopped being a teenager on Halloween Day, 1912, when Capa had played in exactl one international tournament, and won the match with Marshall. Capa was a big star, so it's possible Alekhine thought he would be world champion one day. But then to say he started preparing for a match between them, figuring that a) Alekhine would challenge for the title, b) he'd do it at the same time that Capa was world champion, and c) these early games would still be that relevant... well... it's possible, of course. But authors do have a habit of predicting the past in their books, and pretending that they're predicting the future. When we're talking about a guy who was known to improve game scores for publication, I'm a bit cynical. |
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| TheChessGuy: <Petrosianic> There's no doubt that Alekhine had some pretty deep character flaws. A tendency of self-aggrandizing was certainly one of them. That being said, no one thought he stood a chance. There were strong grandmasters who thought that Capa would shut him out! |
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| maxi: Petrosianic: Perhaps who is being inaccurate is me, and not Alekhine. In his books Alekhine talks about how he prepared for the match, but does not say he was still a teenager. I wrote that based on Romanvsky's account, http://sbchess.sinfree.net/Encounte... There Romanovsky tells about a conversation(among others) with Alekhine in 1912. Since Alekhine was born the 31st of October 1892, it is very likely the was still nineteen. Alekhine described and praised Capa's style and precision. It is in a conversation two years later, in 1914, that Romanovsky tells of Alekhine's remarkable statements about how he was avoiding Capablanca as part of schemes to win his future match for the world championship. Of course, Lasker was the world champion at the time, but Alekhine was assuming already his match would be against Capa. |
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| visayanbraindoctor: <maxi> Thanks for the link. Excerpts: Encounters with Alekhine by Pyotr Romanovsky.
"The All-Russian Amateur Tournament
I was very much delighted when the administration of the chess society included me in the All-Russian Amateur tournament and I immediately took an interest in the composition of the participants. Many of them, for example Maliutin, Rosenkrantz, Chepurnov, Tereshchenko, Lebedev, Gelbak, were familiar to me from the autumn tournament of the St. Petersburg Chess Club in 1908 (The All-Russian tournament was planned for February 1909). In July 1908 I had turned 16 years old. My pride was not a little flattered, that I was the youngest among all the participants and it would be necessary for me to do "battle" with solid and honourable people. Somehow, in a conversation with a member of the committee, Chudovski, I allowed myself to express my feelings about this and was somewhat disappointed, when two days later, meeting me, he said: "But you are not really the youngest participant in the tournament". I then learned, that participating in the tournament was a Moscow gymnasium student, Alekhine, who was three months younger than I. And, added Chudovski: "It seems that he plays quite strongly”. From further conversations it was explained that this Moscow gymnasium student had already participated successfully in the Dusseldorf Amateur tournament and that in the autumn of 1908 he had taken first place in the tournament of the Moscow Chess Club, in which strong chess players had taken part. Shortly afterwards in the chess column of the newspaper "Novoye Vremya" there appeared the game Alekhine-Blumenfeld, excellently won Alekhine. It produced a strong impression on me. The persuasiveness of the victory was enhanced by a brief report about the fact that Alekhine had won a match against Blumenfeld, who was then considered one of best chessplayers of Russia, by the score of +4, -0, =1. At the end of January 1909 my introduction to Alekhine finally took place. The same Chudovski brought me to a young man with blond hair, seated at a chess table, and said: "Here is Romanovsky, of whom I have spoken to you about". Then he left us and we remained together. Alekhine immediately began to talk to me using the familiar “you”."How do you think you will do in the tournament?" - he asked me with a smile. Feeling myself somewhat embarrassed, I answered evasively that it was my first time playing in such a strong tournament and that it was difficult to foresee my result. “Ah”, he interrupted me with a note of some disdain in his voice, “First of all, the tournament is not quite so strong as it seems to you, and, in the second place, in my opinion there is no sense playing in a tournament, where you do not expect to take first place. I, for example, am almost certain that I will take first, especially since, as I have learned, the title of Master will be conferred on the first prizewinner. With all these gentlemen”, he added, meaning our future opponents, “it is only necessary to play boldly". Then Alekhine suggested we play some chess. I was so frightened by his statements that I quickly lost three games and we parted. The tournament began. Alekhine’s swift attacks, his daring experimental play in the opening and resourcefulness in defence left a strong impression. His opponents, one after another, rather quickly suffered defeat. An enormous impression was produced on me by the crushing defeats inflicted by Alekhine on Vyakhirev, Rozanov, Goldfarb, & Elyashev. I give the latter game, since I, being free during this day, observed it from the first to the last move, and witnessed the conversation that occurred between the players after the game." |
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| visayanbraindoctor: "It is astonishing that in games against Alekhine the opponents made exactly the same such "blunders”. Izbinsky, Goldfarb, and Evtifeev made approximately the very same errors. Alekhine’s sharp play right out of the opening, it seems, caused a feeling of confusion in his opponents. The energy and uniqueness with which Alekhine developed well-known opening systems was extremely striking to me. The opening of his game with Rosenkrantz made an especially big impression on me." |
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| visayanbraindoctor: "Alekhine’s chief rival in the tournament proved to be Rotlevi. The encounter between Alekhine and Rotlevi attracted a great deal of attention. Alekhine played Black and for first prize it was sufficient enough for him to make a draw. Consequently, the extremely hazardous tactics Alekhine adopted right out of the opening in this critical game caused general consternation." |
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| visayanbraindoctor: "Alekhine took first place and became a Master. Our next encounter took place two years later when Alekhine moved to St. Petersburg in connection with entering Law school. The Years 1912-14
Tall, with a light blush on his cheeks, Alekhine looked smart and dandyish in his Law School uniform. Once, at his invitation, I visited his home (he lived somewhere in the area of Isaakiev Square and Morsky Street) at an agreed upon hour, but he was not there. They proposed that I wait. Approximately an hour later Alekhine appeared. Soon we sat in the drawing room and had a lively conversation. I questioned Alekhine about his foreign appearances at Hamburg, Carlsbad, and Stockholm. He spoke about his results very reservedly, although in the Stockholm tournament in the summer he had taken first prize. "My victory was not difficult”, he said. – “My only possible rival was Spielmann but, after losing to Fridlizius in the first half, he was demoralized ". "Against Spielmann I won comparatively easily”, he added. –“I very much wanted to take revenge for my defeat in the Carlsbad tournament!” I was reluctant to talk about Alekhine’s failure at the Russian Masters Tournament at Vilnius, where he lost 8 games and collected 8 1/2 points in all out of 18 games, and our conversation soon passed on to other chess subjects. Incidentally, I complained about the fact that my attempts to imitate his risky tactics had thus far been unsuccessful. "You sacrifice pieces and eventually you lose", I finished my thought. Alekhine began to laugh. "Well, my dear, first of all the whole point is that you must sacrifice correctly, and secondly, even after correctly sacrificing a piece, it is necessary to play with great precision in order to bring the attack to a conclusion... Recall the last game of the Lasker-Schlechter match. Schlechter’s sacrifice was completely correct, and Lasker’s “crown” hung by a thread. Unfortunately, however, things turned out differently." "Had you wanted Schlechter to become the champion of the world?" - I asked. "Schlechter is a master of great class”, answered Alekhine. – “in Hamburg and Carlsbad I felt this in my games with him. True, I was a little was afraid of him, and so the psychological chances were also on his side, but this does not diminish the persuasiveness of his victories. Furthermore, if Schlechter had won the match, we would now be witnessing a great contest between him and Capablanca". Then he gave very high praise of the Cuban’s skill: “Capablanca always sacrifices correctly, and his entire game is so very beautiful, and how logical. He has lifted the combination of these two elements of the chess fight to a higher level. In any case, for Lasker, Capablanca is more dangerous than Rubinstein. One only has to get Lasker to play with him soon." Alekhine was then sufficiently talkative and at the end of our conversation he began to discuss beauty in chess. "The main element of beauty in chess, he said, is concealed in the striving to find truth. What good is a sacrificial combination, if it has obtained its completion only because of the poor defense by the opponent? A correct, deeply calculated sacrificial combination is, in essence, a creative masterpiece. It is precisely in this way that chess is brought together with art". |
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| visayanbraindoctor: "During December, 1913 - January, 1914 Alekhine divided 1st-2nd places with Nimzovich in the Russian Masters tournament and they were both admitted into the grandmaster tournament with the participation of Lasker, Capablanca, Tarrasch, Janowsky Rubinstein, Marshall and others In this difficult event Alekhine achieved a fine result, taking third prize after Lasker and Capablanca. All of Alekhine’s games were full of the exciting moments and sharp experiences. At the end of last round, I approached Alekhine and congratulated him. Alekhine's eyes began to shine. “Thank you”, - he said, - “but, you know, I only consider this success as one more step forward”. “How do you evaluate Lasker's victory?” - I asked. “I am not satisfied”, - he answered. –“I would have preferred Capablanca”. |
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| visayanbraindoctor: "On a bright July day in 1914 the express train from Switzerland smoothly approached the Mannheim station. Soon, at the door of one of 1st class cars, Alekhine appeared. We firmly shook each other’s hand. Besides me, some other Russian chessplayers and representatives of the organizing committee of the congress of the German Chess Union in Mannheim came to meet him. Alekhine was taciturn, complaining of fatigue and, knowing that the first round would begin in a few hours, he hastened to reach the hotel in order to get a little rest before the game. A curious history preceded Alekhine's arrival. For a long time he did not answer the organizing committee’s invitation to take part in the tournament and, finally, three days prior to the beginning of the event he sent a telegram with approximately the following content: «Please inform me, is Capablanca participating in the tournament?» The organizing committee was extremely discouraged by this telegram. It very much would have liked to have Alekhine participate in the tournament, but the majority of members of committee believed that Alekhine was searching for meetings with Capablanca and that without participation of the latter, the tournament would hold little interest for Alekhine. Though it had almost already become clear that Capablanca would not take part in the tournament, the organizing committee gave Alekhine an evasive answer, as though there were still some chances of Capablanca's participation. Having come for Alekhine to go to the tournament together, I could not resist myself and asked him what had provoked his telegram, to this he answered: “If Capablanca would have participated, then I would not have played. The fact of the matter is that in the coming years I must prepare for my match with Capablanca for the world’s championship. For this purpose I must take only first prizes. Right now I am still weaker than Capablanca, and, this means, that in the event of his participation I must be content, at best, with second place which does not enter at all into my calculations”. “But Lasker is the world champion right now”, - I noted. “This is unimportant”, - he answered, -“soon it will be Capablanca”. And so, even then the twenty-two year old Alekhine cherished the dream of gaining the world championship and had outlined a plan of his own making in order to turn his dream into reality. In the Mannheim tournament Alekhine won game after game in splendid style. He showed me his games against Duras, Breyer, and Mieses, making brief comments on the course of the struggle. I was amazed at the insight with which he guessed the ideas of his opponents." |
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| visayanbraindoctor: "The war broke out. The Russian chessplayers were arrested, they stayed approximately a month in a prison in the fortress at Rashtatt and finally they were sent to Baden- Baden, where we were permitted to live privately by our own means. Almost all of us were put up in the same hotel. I lived on the second floor, -Alekhine on the third. There Alekhine began work on a collection of the games of the All-Russian tournament of Masters of 1913-1914. He drew me into this work, and almost all evening long I spent in analysis. I was amazed at his diligence and capacity for work. On any one analysis he was capable of spending several evenings. In analysis Alekhine was very objective. There was one case, when after a multi-hour analysis we arrived at the conclusion that the position had finally been exhausted, and he wrote out an extensive commentary on several pages. Late in the evening I left to go to sleep. At 4 A.M. a telephone call awoke me. I raised the receiver. "Come to me immediately ", I heard Alexander Alexandrovich’s voice. Entering Alekhine’s room, I found him behind the chessboard. It was the position that we had "drawn". "We did not notice the move b7-b6”, announced Alekhine, “which refutes everything. Let us take a look at it". And we took up the analysis again, sitting throughout the morning and the entire following day, since Alekhine turned out to be right." |
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| visayanbraindoctor: "Final Encounters
My last encounters with Alekhine took place in the days of the first championship of the Soviet Union during October 1920. The second day after my arrival from Petrograd I was living at the cadets dormitory. After dinner I sat in my room, when suddenly none other than Alekhine burst in on me. We had not seen each other in several years. He had grown thin, he seemed to have grown taller, he was animated, almost merry. Then began the questions, stories, and sharing of impressions. Alekhine said that he was going to go abroad to participate in international tournaments and to prepare for the struggle with Capablanca. "Lasker’s song has been sung”, he said, “their match is at hand". Day after the day the tournament approached its end. Alekhine confidently took the lead and captured first place, not having lost a game. Soon Alekhine left abroad, and we never met again.
Alekhine, in my view, had a conflicting nature, and in him two sides always struggled: a sober, cold calculating one and an exciting gamut of moods, which frequently carried him along in a sea of stormy emotions. This contradiction was also reflected in Alekhine’s chess creativity. It is difficult to say, when he was more dangerous, whether it was when logically, carefully, with technical virtuosity, he, move after move, destroyed the plans of his opponent, or when, with an inexhaustible ingenuity, all in a creative ferment he stunned his opponent with brilliant, inspired, and unexpected combinations." |
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| visayanbraindoctor: It seems clear that Alekhine early on already knew that Capablanca would be world champion and that they would play a WC match. He also knew exactly how strong he was compared to the other top masters. For instance, pre-WW2 he admits <Schlechter is a master of great class”, answered Alekhine. – “in Hamburg and Carlsbad I felt this in my games with him. True, I was a little was afraid of him> He certainly knew just how strong Capablanca was.
<Capablanca always sacrifices correctly, and his entire game is so very beautiful, and how logical. He has lifted the combination of these two elements of the chess fight to a higher level.> And
<If Capablanca would have participated, then I would not have played. The fact of the matter is that in the coming years I must prepare for my match with Capablanca for the world’s championship. For this purpose I must take only first prizes. Right now I am still weaker than Capablanca, and, this means, that in the event of his participation I must be content, at best, with second place which does not enter at all into my calculations> After winning the first Soviet Union Championship here is what Alekhine said to Romanovsky: <Alekhine said that he was going to go abroad to participate in international tournaments and to prepare for the struggle with Capablanca. "Lasker’s song has been sung”, he said, “their match is at hand".> |
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| visayanbraindoctor: <The tournament began. Alekhine’s swift attacks, his daring experimental play in the opening and resourcefulness in defence left a strong impression. His opponents, one after another, rather quickly suffered defeat. An enormous impression was produced on me by the crushing defeats inflicted by Alekhine on Vyakhirev, Rozanov, Goldfarb, & Elyashev.> If Romanovsky wrote this in the 1980s and replaced the name <Alekhine> with <Kasparov>, he would have made an accurate description of the way Kasparov burst into the chess world in the 1980s. |
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| AnalyzeThis: I think that Alekhine had a great quality for accurately sizing up his opponents strengths and weaknesses, certainly more so than Capa did. Capa figured he'd just show up and plow right over the opponent, but that only worked out well in Capa's prime years. |
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| Jan-17-10 |
| visayanbraindoctor: Alekhine's dream to be World Champion way back in 1914 is quite clear here: <«Please inform me, is Capablanca participating in the tournament?» The organizing committee was extremely discouraged by this telegram. It very much would have liked to have Alekhine participate in the tournament, but the majority of members of committee believed that Alekhine was searching for meetings with Capablanca and that without participation of the latter, the tournament would hold little interest for Alekhine. Though it had almost already become clear that Capablanca would not take part in the tournament, the organizing committee gave Alekhine an evasive answer, as though there were still some chances of Capablanca's participation.Having come for Alekhine to go to the tournament together, I could not resist myself and asked him what had provoked his telegram, to this he answered: “If Capablanca would have participated, then I would not have played. The fact of the matter is that in the coming years I must prepare for my match with Capablanca for the world’s championship. For this purpose I must take only first prizes. Right now I am still weaker than Capablanca, and, this means, that in the event of his participation I must be content, at best, with second place which does not enter at all into my calculations”. “But Lasker is the world champion right now”, - I noted. “This is unimportant”, - he answered, -“soon it will be Capablanca”. And so, even then the twenty-two year old Alekhine cherished the dream of gaining the world championship and had outlined a plan of his own making in order to turn his dream into reality.> |
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| Jan-17-10 |
| visayanbraindoctor: <AnalyzeThis: I think that Alekhine had a great quality for accurately sizing up his opponents strengths and weaknesses, certainly more so than Capa did. Capa figured he'd just show up and plow right over the opponent, but that only worked out well in Capa's prime years.> I think you are right. And not only that. The way Romanovsky describes it, Alekhine INTIMIDATED his opponents. (Starting with Romanovsky himself.) |
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| visayanbraindoctor: <I was amazed at his diligence and capacity for work. On any one analysis he was capable of spending several evenings. In analysis Alekhine was very objective. There was one case, when after a multi-hour analysis we arrived at the conclusion that the position had finally been exhausted, and he wrote out an extensive commentary on several pages. Late in the evening I left to go to sleep. At 4 A.M. a telephone call awoke me. I raised the receiver. "Come to me immediately ", I heard Alexander Alexandrovich’s voice. Entering Alekhine’s room, I found him behind the chessboard. It was the position that we had "drawn". "We did not notice the move b7-b6”, announced Alekhine, “which refutes everything. Let us take a look at it". And we took up the analysis again, sitting throughout the morning and the entire following day, since Alekhine turned out to be right."> As I said, had Alekhine been born 90 years later, with state-salaried seconds in the 1980s USSR and computer databases in the 1990s, without a doubt he would have studied the hell out of most present-day modern openings. Like Kasparov, he would have been an opening monster. |
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| Jan-17-10 |
| offramp: <visayanbraindoctor>, I want to thank you very much for the extensive and highly interesting posts over the last few days! Many thanks! |
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| Jan-18-10 |
| visayanbraindoctor: Thanks <offramp>
I did not know that telephones were in common use in Europe even before WW1. <At 4 A.M. a telephone call awoke me. I raised the receiver. "Come to me immediately ", I heard Alexander Alexandrovich’s voice.> The telephone would have given human society then a decidedly 'modern' flavor. Hhmm, on-call surgeons then would have slept with their phones besides their beds, just as many of them do now. KRrrriinnggg, hello this is the nurse on duty speaking; Yawn.. OK, what's the case.. Age of patient.. Vital signs please... I will be there, but gimme a few minutes, gotta drink coffee first... Probably same old story in 1914 as in today. I'd bet the surgeons then were as addicted to coffee as they are today. |
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| Jan-18-10 |
| visayanbraindoctor: Alekhine also knew exactly just how strong the other top masters were, and knew that Capablanca had grown stronger than Lasker. Referring to a swan's last beautiful song.. <"Lasker’s song has been sung”, he said, “their match is at hand".> Poignantly prophetic. |
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| Jan-18-10 |
| AnalyzeThis: Alekhine didn't quite have Lasker figured out. Lasker put a plus score up on the board against Alekhine. Nevertheless, Alekhine did recognize when Lasker was too old to play Capa. |
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| Jan-19-10 |
| M.D. Wilson: All this suggests that Alekhine was one of the hardest working and driven chess players in history. Perhaps only Fischer and Kasparov surpassed him in this regard. |
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| Jan-19-10 |
| AnalyzeThis: He was when he was serious, and not boozing it up. |
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| Jan-20-10 |
| M.D. Wilson: And marrying rich widows. |
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