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|Sep-01-10|| ||GrahamClayton: An interesting item from the "Hobart Mercury", dated 12 March 1931:|
"The chess champion, Dr Alekhine has accepted the challenge of Capablanca to meet him for a purse of 5,000 pounds, the winner to take 60%".
|Sep-05-11|| ||kingscrusher: I have video annotated the decisive encounters between Alekhine and Capablanca:|
|Sep-05-11|| ||Petrosianic: <If Capablanca is the Mozart of Chess, Alekhine surely is the Beethoven.>|
Tal expounded on this in an interview he once gave with Chess Life & Review. But he didn't mention Capa or Alekhine, Beethoven or Mozart, so maybe...
<CL&R: We have compared chess players to composers.
Tal: So have I. I wrote that Botvinnik is like Bach-like a building: you cannot remove one note nor one stone, nor one move. Smyslov: Tchaikowsky . .
Tal: ... a career like a slow river, crescendo-decrescendo. Keres is like Chopin: lightness, a reflection of the blue sky. Petrosian: Liszt . . .
Tal: . . . wonderful technique. Bronstein: Debussy. Larsen: Prokofiev-surrealists.
CL&R: And Fischer?
Tal: A computer!
CL&R: No, that's Botvinnik.
Tal: Botvinnik became a computer after he lost the title.>
|Sep-05-11|| ||AVRO38: <Here is a picture of the board and pieces and one of the clocks, which is housed in the Argentine Chess Club:|
That's the final position of the match by the way..Here's the famous photo of Alekhine at the board with this position clearly visible taken immediately after Capa's resignation:
This match was remarkable for so many reasons:
1) The quality of the games is incredible.
2) The contestants are arguably #1 and #2 all time.
3) The stubborn match strategy of both sides.
4) The final game is one of the finest games of chess ever played, an amazing way to end this amazing match.
The one drawback is the overuse of the QGD, but this is also part of the charm of the match because it displays the stubborn refusal of both players to concede even the slightest moral victory to his opponent.
Suffice it to say they don't make 'em like this any more.
|Oct-15-11|| ||The Rocket: <"And so, even then the twenty-two year old Alekhine cherished the dream of gaining the world championship and had outlined a plan of his own making in order to turn his dream into reality.">|
Quite inspirational story. Of course the popular conception that it was hard work over talent in alekhines match win is nonsese.
<"Alekhine evidently possesses the most remarkable chess memory that has ever existed. It is said that he remembers by heart all the games played by the leading masters during the last 15-20 years"> Capablanca
Alekhine was born to play game so to speak...
|Oct-15-11|| ||The Rocket: Alekhine was also invited for study by a psychologist for a study regarding his chess memory to see how it correlated with other memory tests like in geometrics|
In Alekhines case there was no correlation!
which makes no sense:)
|Oct-15-11|| ||visayanbraindoctor: The Rocket: Alekhine was also invited for study by a psychologist for a study regarding his chess memory to see how it correlated with other memory tests like in geometrics|
In Alekhines case there was no correlation!
That's remarkable. Thanks for the info. I will post it on the Alekhine page.
|Oct-30-11|| ||Calli: J. R. Capablanca - "I haven't the patience, the temperment to linger endlessly over games like Lasker and Alekhine. That was how Alekhine beat me. It took three months to finish that match. He wore me out, physically and mentally. Yet I think I should have won." |
C.N. 7337 - Interview in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 18 February 1931, page 24
|Oct-30-11|| ||Petrosianic: For "should have won", substitute "could have won". Capa definitely didn't play better in that match, and he didn't make any effort to sharpen the play and avoid the grinding down process, which is why we had 32 Queen's Gambit Declineds in 34 games. Alekhine won that match by abandoning his regular enterprising style of play that had always failed against Capa in the past, and tried to out-Capablanca Capablanca, with conservative positional games. Capa wasn't ready for that, and couldn't or wouldn't adapt, even though he had plenty of time to try. He may have been the better player, but he deserved to lose that match.|
|Oct-30-11|| ||Calli: "should have won" was illogical, given the reasons he just gave for losing. Undoubtedly, Capablanca saw the incongruity and I can quite imagine that it was said with a grin as he was also saying something about a chess player's ego.|
|Oct-30-11|| ||maxi: I believe by "should have won" he simply meant that he still thought he was stronger than Alekhine.|
<Petrosianic> succinctly expresses what has become a consensual opinion with some of us here, that Alekhine out-Capablanca Capablanca. And Capa was, for some reason, psychologically unable to offer a fight.
|Feb-18-12|| ||Penguincw: Even though only wins counted as points, there was still a lot of draws. Not very common.|
|May-19-12|| ||Call Me TC: From Winter's Capablanca book:
<Around this time Alekhine gave an interview to the <Mahrisch Ostrauer Morgenzeitung>, which was reproduced on pages 35-37 of the 1 February 1929 issue of <Deutsche Schachblatter>. Here is part of what Alekhine said:
<The match with Bogoljubow interests me far more than the battle with Capablanca. Bogoljubow is to be considered a much more serious opponent than Capablanca, who was very angry at the result of the match in Buenos Aires, and who had an article published in an American newspaper in which he maintained that I had won through unscrupulousness. He wrote that my game was well-balanced but without finesse. In reality, the Buenos Aires match was extremely difficult for me physically. I had a mouth infection and a high fever caused by the extraction of six teeth.The Argentine doctor made sure that the pain-killers did not affect my brain. On the other hand, the pain had to be attentuated, and that was no easy task. By contrast Capablanca was in the best of health.
I hope to be able to play a match with Capablanca in the United States in the first half of 1930 and I am assuming that I will not lose my title. A short while ago, Capablanca suggested that the entire game of chess be reformed. He wants to introduce new pieces since in his opinion chess in its current form is completely outdated. Chessplayers who have lost their championship title have always had such plans. Even Lasker, who, probably because of the Cuban climate, lost to Capablanca, toyed with a similar idea, and maintained that chess was outmoded. As long as Capablanca was world champion, however, he never thought of reforming chess.>>
As Winter notes: <As is shown by Chapter 8, Alekhine was wrong to suggest that Capablanca had no interest in reforming chess before losing his world title. It has not been possible to locate any newspaper in which Capablanca used a term such as "unscrupulousness".>
|Jul-11-12|| ||achieve: <GrahamClayton: Here is a picture of the chess clock that was used for games 7-13 of the match:|
> What a beauty... I can almost feel and smell it.
Not kidding, some priceless links you and others have been providing here.
|Jul-14-12|| ||blazerdoodle: Through the merry world of translations we get what we get. He may have misread something, or that's what he thought of it. If Capa had played on the exact same conditions he demanded of Alekhine to play him would he have gotten his game?|
|Jul-14-12|| ||perfidious: < Calli: J. R. Capablanca - "I haven't the patience, the temperment to linger endlessly over games like Lasker and Alekhine. That was how Alekhine beat me. It took three months to finish that match. He wore me out, physically and mentally. Yet I think I should have won."
C.N. 7337 - Interview in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle, 18 February 1931, page 24>|
This brings to mind a remark that a contemporary made about Capablanca, roughly that things came very easily to him or not at all.
Alekhine's keen psychological insight into his opponent told the tale-he well knew that, for all Capa's greatness, he seldom had been pushed to the limit. Alekhine managed this and broke him in the end.
|Jul-15-12|| ||blazerdoodle: In that statement Capa was honest about it.|
|Nov-19-12|| ||Jafar219: The best World Championship match of all times.|
|Nov-19-12|| ||MountainMatt: <Jafar219: The best World Championship match of all times.>|
I hate to, but must, beg to differ. It was certainly the best WC match of THOSE times, and remained so until there finally came along a sufficiently colossal genius to give Anatoly Karpov a real fight, and then some. I'm hard pressed to say which of the Kasparov-Karpov WC matches was best, but I do believe that the level of play in all of them (Karpov's 4-0 run in the first 9 games of '84 notwithstanding) was marginally higher than in Capablanca-Alekhine. Of course, I must add that I'm a horrible 1400-something rated patzer, so my opinion should be taken with a big grain of slushy rock salt. :)
|Nov-19-12|| ||Jafar219: There were many boring games at Karpov-Kasparov match.They both were playing under USSR flag.And Kasparov`s victory was somewhat political decision of USSR leaders, because they wanted new champion.
Alekhine - Capablanca match was clash of titans.They had differents styles and there wasn`t any political pressure on them.This WC match gave many interesting ideas and immortal games to chess itself.
Sorry for my bad English.|
|Nov-19-12|| ||KKDEREK: <There were many boring games at Karpov-Kasparov match.They both were playing under USSR flag.And Kasparov`s victory was somewhat political decision of USSR leaders, because they wanted new champion.>|
|Nov-19-12|| ||brankat: Had there been some political aspects to K-K matches, political elite of the USSR would have been "rooting" for Karpov.|
|Nov-20-12|| ||Jafar219: "- Mass Media usually mentions that Heydar Aliyev has helped you a lot when you became the World Champion...
- I never denied it and I never declined that help. I always said that KGB general Heydar Aliyev has done a lot for me to become the Champion. He created proper conditions for playing. If not him, maybe I wouldn't become the Champion in 1982 and 1984"|
|Mar-04-13|| ||tzar: <Jafar219: There were many boring games at Karpov-Kasparov match.They both were playing under USSR flag.And Kasparov`s victory was somewhat political decision of USSR leaders, because they wanted new champion.> Maybe they were very boring for you...not for everybody...Morover, it is clear that Heydar Aliyev helped Kasparov to be able to participate in international tournements and to travel abroad when there was some interest in preventing it, but the rest of your comment is lacking any evidence.|
|Mar-13-13|| ||tzar: Nice photo on this page which reflects the begining of the match, although the room in which they play look very modest and discreet. On the bottom, in Spanish, it can be read "at that time a certain rivalry separated the two men, which later became bitterness"|
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