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|Feb-07-09|| ||bluberry66: I can not cream my sister I DESTROY HERRR!!@!! HARHARHAR|
|Feb-07-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: <bluberry66> I'm sure everyone found your comments just so verrrrrrrrrrry insightful!|
|Feb-25-09|| ||WeakSquare: Does anyone know of any books about this match (and other Bot-Smys matches)? They were one of the most exciting and hard fought in chess history.|
|Feb-25-09|| ||nescio: <WeakSquare> You'll need to be patient for a few months, but then an English translation of Botvinnik's classic will be available:
Acoording to the publisher it will be available in May, but even if some months later I think it may be well worth waiting for.
|Feb-25-09|| ||WeakSquare: By Botvinnik himself, cool...|
|Jul-24-09|| ||chessgames.com: <WeakSquare: Does anyone know of any books about this match (and other Bot-Smys matches)?> The Chessgames sponsor New in Chess now offers the book you've been looking for. Indeed, it was worth the wait. The link is: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/clic...|
|Jan-16-10|| ||waddayaplay: <Plato: There is also some suspicion that Bronstein may have been under coercion by the Soviet authorities not to wrest the title from Botvinnik.>|
On the other hand..
< [In the 1950 Candidates tournament] Boleslasky had been leading, a point ahead of Bronstein, but had agreed to draw his last two games to give Bronstein a chance to catch up. Soltis: “But in 64 Smyslov hints that Boleslavsky agreed to the draws after bowing to pressure from
Veinstein, the head of a GULAG department and ‘an influential man in the country’. Veinstein wanted to make sure Botvinnik was defeated, and
he knew Boleslavsky didn't have a good record against the world champion.
|Jan-16-10|| ||AnalyzeThis: There you have it. Another tournament, another round of fixed games.|
|Jan-16-10|| ||Red October: <AnalyzeThis: There you have it. Another tournament, another round of fixed games.> quite possible and probable, but doesn't this also indicate that the "fixing" was not the work of a single power "The Commie Cheats" but rather various individuals vying for power within a structure that was extremely difficult to survive in...|
quite different from the allegation that "The Soviets have fixed World Chess..."
|Jan-16-10|| ||chancho: <Veinstein wanted to make sure Botvinnik was defeated>|
Curiouser and curiouser...
|Jan-16-10|| ||Olavi: Yes, in the last round Boleslavsky agreed a 16 move draw with the well known Swedish commie cheat Stahlberg.|
|Jan-16-10|| ||keypusher: <“But in 64 Smyslov hints that Boleslavsky agreed to the draws after bowing to pressure from Veinstein, the head of a GULAG department and ‘an influential man in the country’. >|
Yes, and very close to Bronstein; he is even alleged to be the real author of the text (though not the annotations) of the Zurich 1953 book. Bronstein's close relationship with a secret policeman in Stalin's USSR never seems to bother Bronstein's fans, though.
|Jan-16-10|| ||Red October: <with the well known Swedish commie cheat Stahlberg.> you mean <acirce> ? ;-p|
|Jan-16-10|| ||acirce: <Yes, and very close to Bronstein; he is even alleged to be the real author of the text (though not the annotations) of the Zurich 1953 book.>|
I would say more than alleged: Bronstein himself said so. Well, at least much of the text, maybe not every word.
|Jan-16-10|| ||AnalyzeThis: Stahlberg knew a good deal when he saw it.|
|Apr-04-10|| ||thegoodanarchist: Soviet cheating was well-known before the 1950s, it seems.|
|Apr-29-11|| ||bronkenstein: Repeating any nonsence on and on converts it to the truth slowly, Goebels and folks from CNN would be proud of you folks :)|
|Aug-05-12|| ||Psihadal: Maybe the best world championship match ever, played by the most underrated rivalry in chess: Smyslov-Botvinnik.|
I wish Smyslov had won this match, he deserved to hold the world title for much longer than just a year in my opinion.
|Aug-05-12|| ||talisman: <Psihadal> check out game 24...22 move draw? with the match on the line?...and still some play left.|
|Aug-05-12|| ||Psihadal: <talisman> Of course, it's not easy to explain.
White had the advantage at the final position but Smyslov should have fought on since he had nothing to lose.
Perhaps he underestimated his chances and maybe he even offered the draw because then he would split the prize money with Botvinnik (Since the match is tied) instead of playing on and risk losing it, just a guess.
But This match was an epic struggle in spite of the final game.|
|Aug-05-12|| ||perfidious: <talisman> This is consistent with the preceding title match (Botvinnik-Bronstein World Championship Match (1951)).|
Then there's the finish of Botvinnik's final stay in the penthouse suite (Petrosian-Botvinnik World Championship Match (1963)). The concluding three games totalled 41 moves.
|Jun-24-14|| ||offramp: There were 8 wins in a row in this match. Is that a post-WWII record?|
|Jun-24-14|| ||Olavi: <offramp> Easily. The only comparable modern match is Euwe-Keres of 1940, not for the world championship but still, which had a series of 10 wins. Then you'd have to go to the 19th century.|
|Jun-24-14|| ||offramp: <Olavi: <offramp> Easily. The only comparable modern match is Euwe-Keres of 1940, not for the world championship but still, which had a series of 10 wins. Then you'd have to go to the 19th century.>|
Thanks for that, Olavi.
The chessgames database has not yet rationalised the games from that match - but one user has.
For those interested have a look at this Game Collection: 1939/40 Keres - Euwe Match.
This collection was made by the user who took his name from the greatest of all 20th Century motor vehicles: User: TheFocus.
|Jun-24-14|| ||keypusher: <offramp> <olavi> There were seven straight decisive games in Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Return Match (1961).|
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