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|Jun-28-18|| ||ewan14: Black should have played 14 ... Qb7
Not pawn a6
|Jun-28-18|| ||Petrosianic: Okay, but you're still not telling us which game you pick as the best.|
|Jun-28-18|| ||offramp: My favourite is game 15.|
|Jun-28-18|| ||Petrosianic: That's your favorite draw. Do you have a favorite decisive game?|
|Jun-29-18|| ||Everett: Game 13 makes this match. Both players played well. |
Game 6 seems to be quite over-rated. Need to find a more updated analysis of it. Spassky played poorly in comparison to his opponent.
Wouldn't be the first time that a particular game is best known but not the best in the match (ie. Game 6 here)
In the previous match with Petrosian, Fischer's very best game IMO was his 4th victory, when he played near-flawlessly with Black. Petrosian made one mistake in the opening, lost the initiative, and missed one remarkable save at the very end. Otherwise it was a great game, and the one that won the match for Fischer. Petrosian vs Fischer, 1971
|Jun-29-18|| ||offramp: <Petrosianic: That's your favorite draw. Do you have a favorite decisive game?>|
For me, also game 13.
|Jun-29-18|| ||morfishine: <Petrosianic> I would say game 13 was most decisive since Spassky had stopped the bleeding with his win in game 11 (and almost won game 12 but drew) so a win in game 13 would really set the stage for the remainder of the match. |
Yet he bungled it away, not only the win but the draw too
I read where after the game Spassky sat staring at the board and was mumbling something to the effect while holding Fischer's rook "How could I lose? I had this rook penned in, yet I lost"
So for sheer drama and decisiveness, its game 13 (a pity for Spassky that a late blunder squandered the draw sending him into defeat)
|Jun-29-18|| ||Howard: Seem to vaguely recall reading back then that at the conclusion of Game 13, Spassky reshuffled the pieces to where he played his decisive blunder (Rd1) and took another look at the position from there.|
Incidentally, just where did Spassky come close to winning Game 12? That game did have some interesting moments, but it was a draw all the way.
|Jun-29-18|| ||Petrosianic: When I ranked them, I tried to downplay the big picture and go just by the game itself. For instance, Game 3 was surely more momentous than Game 10 (Fischer's first ever win, the situation would have been hopeless with another loss, et cetera).|
But I think just going by the game itself, Game 10 is a better one.
|Jun-29-18|| ||morfishine: <Howard> Agreed, my comment "almost won game 12 but drew" is an overstatement. The most that can be said is Black was in firm control the whole way and was never threatened by Fischer.|
|Jun-29-18|| ||Petrosianic: Well, let's ask that question next. Let's take all of the draws and ask which player was pressing in each drawn game.|
This does NOT necessarily mean that the player was winning or even close to winning. Just who had the better end of the draw. I'd make it like this:
Game 4 Spassky
Game 7 Fischer
Game 9 Neither
Game 12 Spassky
Game 14 Spassky
Game 15 Both
Game 16 Spassky
Game 17 Spassky
Game 18 Neither
Game 19 Spassky
Game 20 Spassky
|Jun-29-18|| ||RookFile: Yeah, Spassky pressing so much in these draws shows that he didn't crack in the 2nd half of the match like Fischer's other opponents did.|
|Jun-29-18|| ||perfidious: <Everett: Game 13 makes this match. Both players played well....>|
That was one terrific scrap--pity there wound up being a losing player in the end.
|Jun-30-18|| ||Howard: Spassky was quoted as saying that in the seven straight draws, from 14-20, he missed winning chances in all of them, and "especially in Games 18 and 20."|
|Jun-30-18|| ||offramp: <Howard>, can you please email the people in charge of this website?|
|Jun-30-18|| ||Howard: If you're referring to the obnoxious garbage that I was alluding to regarding a different game...|
....I just emailed Daniel Freeman about it!
Thanks for the reminder, Mr. Offramp !!!
|Jun-30-18|| ||ewan14: No , you cannot .
and Fischer was probably the best player in 1971 but iirc he turned up on time for the beginning of all the Candidates matches and did not disrupt their proceedings
And why is Harry Lime represented by Sir
|Jun-30-18|| ||ewan14: sorry , in 1971 ( and maybe 1970 ) Fischer was the best chess player in the world|
1967 possibly but that is it
The strongest ( non mixed field ) tournaments he played in were the Candidates in 59 and 62 when he was not experienced enough
|Jul-01-18|| ||morfishine: One could argue that the stretch of games from 14 - 20 was the cream of this match. All furiously and bitterly fought, very accurate, no blunders, each unique and exciting in its own way. |
*I've always been fascinated by game 19, what with Spassky finding an interesting piece-sac novelty OTB <18.Nxd5>, but alas, it again drifts into a draw
|Jul-01-18|| ||Olavi: I agree morf, though Spassky did blunder the easy-ish technical win away in game 14. But why not include game 13.|
|Jul-01-18|| ||ZonszeinP: I really enjoyed reading the list given by <petrosianic> above|
|Jul-02-18|| ||morfishine: <Olavi> You are correct, I had forgotten about the horrible <27...f6>|
And on your comment <...But why not include game 13?> I think <Petrosianic> is separating decisive games from drawn games
|Sep-20-18|| ||jonjoseph: I will post my reaction before seeing this game. First fact is I do not have a shed full of chess super computers. Second fact is I do not have a shed full of chess books . So who would bother about my reactions to anything connected with Chess ? But if I write a personal reaction to each game as a human and not a computer or a book I wil know the atmosphere or character of the game far quicker than several long lists of moves.So as a record for me personally It will be useful .I hope that won`t sound too grumpy .|
|Sep-20-18|| ||jonjoseph: This is a short early reaction to Fischer Spassky games .I get a feeling that Spassky was much more cautious and it comes across as timid and uncreative. Spassky has a wide variety of playing styles and there`s rarely a dull game from his side of the board .But if you drained away all the political drama are these the best games to watch?|
|Sep-20-18|| ||ZonszeinP: Interesting comments
I remember those times in 1972
I had the impression that Spassky was a "tower" in front of a talented but spoilt child
Then the tower began to crumble...
Not like falling down but
Rather like getting smaller by day
Just "shaking" a bit in the second half
But, not really really "biting"
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