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|Mar-06-13|| ||extremeintellect: <ozmikey: frankly I think anyone would have been annoyed by those particular questions>
Please see that there are different reactions to the same questions even within audience - I found them quite ok even for Cold War era days whereas someone like you (who clearly seems to know far more) has a different opinion.
Korchnoi was no role model for good behavior but Karpov was a himself a master of all shenanigans - pls recall his comment about being deprived of a chance to play with a toy that has been promised to him (when the match with Fischer did not take place). How polite was that indication as if his victory over Bobby was a given. It was Karpov that refused to even acknowledge Korchnoi & shake hands and that started many things. |
As regards Mr. Byrne you may have read and analyzed far more than what little I have seen or would read, but my perception right from my formative years was that he shrewdly chose his masters when all the money in chess was in the Eastern Block took the path of least resistance in writing. That takes nothing away from his journalistic and chess abilities though.
|Mar-06-13|| ||tzar: Not to shake hands was an order of Soviet authorities, not a Karpov's decision, on the contrary he has a reputation of being a quite correct sportsman.|
|Nov-22-13|| ||Karpova: Behind the scenes of Korchnoi's team: <Backstabbing in Baguio>, Kingpin, Online February 25, 2010: http://www.kingpinchess.net/2010/02...|
Michael Francis Stean: <The terrible thing was that Viktor had always been betrayed and let down. That was why he defected. He needed people around him he could trust.>
|Nov-18-14|| ||zanzibar: Sorry if this has been posted before, but here is a youtube clip with some old TV footage from the time of the match|
At the end Karpov does well to share a laugh with Breschnev (does he have a choice?).
|Nov-18-14|| ||Petrosianic: Did Brezhnev know who Karpov was by that point in his life?|
|Nov-18-14|| ||Petrosianic: <Karpova: Behind the scenes of Korchnoi's team: <Backstabbing in Baguio>, Kingpin, Online February 25, 2010:>|
Looks like either a satirical piece, or a very badly written one.
|Mar-14-15|| ||Everett: <
member Karpova: Behind the scenes of Korchnoi's team: <Backstabbing in Baguio>, Kingpin, Online February 25, 2010: http://www.kingpinchess.net/2010/02...
Michael Francis Stean: <The terrible thing was that Viktor had always been betrayed and let down. That was why he defected. He needed people around him he could trust.>>
To at least some degree, we each make our own beds. Karpov went with the flow of the Soviets, Korchnoi did not. The rest is simply evidence of those decisions.
|Aug-01-15|| ||whiteshark: Some match-footage: http://www.aparchive.com/metadata/R...|
|Aug-01-15|| ||thegoodanarchist: <whiteshark: Some match-footage:>|
Outstanding historical documentary! I thank you kindly for the link to this.
|Aug-02-15|| ||whiteshark: <thegoodanarchist> You are welcome!|
|Aug-02-15|| ||zanzibar: Indeed, all the AP reporting <whiteshark> found is great. |
But this one in particular is fantastic.
Who was the women serving as a pseudo-second to Korchnoi in addition to Keene?
See is briefly mentioned by name, and is seen at the table (1:55) and dancing at 3:27.
|Aug-02-15|| ||Retireborn: <z> That looks like Petra Leeuwerik, who was Korchnoi's girlfriend at the time and still is, I believe. Her official title was head of Korchnoi's delegation.|
|Aug-02-15|| ||zanzibar: Ah, thanks, <rb>...|
I thought they were on rather, er.. "friendly", terms seeing them dancing together.
On the other hand, I know that Korchnoi was still married, and waiting for both his wife and son to emigrate from the USSR.
“The arrival of the family was in 1982 and the divorce proceedings started long after in 1988.”
Are you sure this is right? Here’s a notice in Time Magazine from August 8, 1983:
“SEEKING DIVORCE. Viktor Korchnoi, 52, tempestuous Soviet chess grand master who defected in 1976; and Beta Korchnoi, 50, who emigrated to Switzerland last year with their son Igor, 23, after the young man spent 30 months in a Siberian labor camp for refusing military service; after 25 years of marriage; in Wohlen, Switzerland. Korchnoi, who twice lost world championship matches to erstwhile Countryman Anatoly Karpov, pleaded with Leonid Brezhnev to allow his family to leave in 1978, though he was linked romantically with his Austrian-born manager, Petra Leeuwerik.”>
|Aug-02-15|| ||zanzibar: Korchnoi's wife's name is incorrect in the above... as noted later in the link given.|
It's Bela (not Beta).
|Oct-24-15|| ||offramp: I truly believe that Kortschnoi's wins in this match were "better" than Karpov's. I know that a win is a win and a point is a point...|
Often Karpov's wins were as a result of a Kortschnoi blunder, but Kortschnoi's wins often show a bit of artistry. I suppose that that means that Karpov is much harder to beat!
But this was, in its totality, a great match, one of the best. Two chess players both on top form, scandals, murder (the Ananda Margas were wanted for murder), political intrigue, hypnotism, musicals, hurricanes, the wrong chess set for game 1, and a quasi-Armageddon finish.
That is a match!
|Oct-24-15|| ||Howard: True--out of Karpov's six wins, three of them (Games 13, 17, and 27) came out because of blunders by Korchnoi (with the 17th game being by far the most blatant example!).|
In contrast, out of Korchnoi's five wins, only one (Game 11) came about due to a Karpov blunder.
But, on the other hand, what about the category of "botched wins" ? Jeez, Korchnoi should damn well have won the 5th game, but most of us know how that turned out ! Then there were Games 20 and 22, in which Karpov had easy wins but blew both of them.
Frankly, I wouldn't call this "one of the best" WC matches, at all. The level of play left a lot to be desired, plus the ridiculous off-the-board shenanigans didn't help matters.
|Oct-24-15|| ||HeMateMe: Don't all victories come from blunders?|
|Oct-24-15|| ||perfidious: <HMM: Don't all victories come from blunders?>|
Maybe for ordinary mortals, but all mine came after dazzling displays of supreme talent.
|Oct-24-15|| ||Howard: There's a difference between outright blunders, and minor mistakes.|
|Oct-24-15|| ||Olavi: In the professional parlance also mistakes that only slightly worsen the position can sometimes be called blunders. Meaning that the player had completely missed something obvious, (s)he was just lucky it didn't turn out worse. Whereas a mistake that turns a normal position into a lost one is not necessarily a blunder, for instance if the decisive difference appears after a long and complicated, hard to calculate line.|
|Oct-24-15|| ||offramp: <HeMateMe: Don't all victories come from blunders?>|
That is true. Or from errors, let's say. But this match was very high-tension, because Kortschnoi was a defector and Karpov had an ingrown toenail on his right hallux.
|Oct-24-15|| ||zanzibar: Well, there's blunders, and then there's blunders,
Outright gifts, and also plunder,
not to mention the "accumulation of small advantage",
often seen only with engine vantage,
quite different from Morphy's strikes of thunder.
There's also the philosophical version - if you blunder on the board, and nobody sees it, is it still a blunder?
|Oct-24-15|| ||Albion 1959: Game 21 was my favourite game of this match !!|
|Oct-25-15|| ||Joshka: Not to change the subject of this page too much..but what if........Korchnoi had beaten Karpov (he almost did) in the 1974 Candidates Final match....would Bobby and Korchnoi found a way to work out details for a match in 1975? Bobby would have surely beaten Korchnoi in a match at this time, but then Karpov would have been Bobby's opponent for the 1978 Match. This would really have been the ultimate match!!! 20 years older than Karpov and Karpov barely won this match in 1978. Bobby only has 8 years on Karpov.....Bobby would have almost for certain won a match against Karpov in 1978....only I believe in 1981 would Karpov have maybe pulled out a victory. Bobby would I bet have wanted to get revenge and there could have been another Karpov-Fischer Match in 1984.......Garry might not have contested a match until 1987....oh well sorry to digress...|
|Oct-25-15|| ||HeMateMe: <would Bobby and Korchnoi found a way to work out details for a match in 1975?>|
No. However, if Larry Evans or Jude acers had been presented as challenger in 1975, with a purse of $1M, I think Bob would have played.
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