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Feb-04-07
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| Joshka: <slomarko> Because in 1978 they played a match in which Karpov was lucky enough to hold on to win. This match was more convincing, although not surprising, Karpov maturing, getting stronger, Korchnoi just the opposite. |
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| Feb-04-07 |
| slomarko: i don't get this. a rematch was Botwinik's third match against Smyslow or the second with Tal. here Korchnoi had to qualify regularly so this isn't a "rematch". |
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| Feb-04-07 |
| IMDONE4: how much is 800 thousand francs in terms of dollars? |
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Feb-25-07
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| Open Defence: <2 Cold War in the Wolrd of Chess, Harold Schonberg, New York Times Sept. 27, 1981.> foot note 2 should read World instead of Wolrd .. thanks in advance <chessgames.com> |
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Apr-11-07
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| keypusher: Incidentally, it appears that Korchnoi's son was locked up in 1979, not 1981. At the time the match began the sentence had six months to run. This is taken from the Schoenberg piece that appears to be the major source for the description of the match: <That would involve release from jail of Korchnoi's son, who was put away in 1979 as a ''draft dodger.'' The sentence still has six months to run.> See page 1 of the article linked to at fn 2 above.
Sort of a side issue, but it would be nice to see the NY Times devote this much space to a chess match today! |
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| Apr-11-07 |
| RookFile: Ah yes. Only 6 months to go. It would have been completely impossible to find some other excuse to lock him up further. |
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Apr-12-07
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| talisman: margin of victory +4. fischer-spassky +4...tal-botvinnik +5(61) even botvinnik smyslov #2...+3. why was this a massacre? |
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| Apr-12-07 |
| square dance: <margin of victory +4. fischer-spassky +4...tal-botvinnik +5(61) even botvinnik smyslov #2...+3.
why was this a massacre?> because alliteration is awesome. |
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Apr-13-07
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| talisman: <square dance> right.i thought some of it might be Keene(coined it) not being the second this time around. |
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| Apr-13-07 |
| Brown: <slomarko>
http://dictionary.reference.com/bro...
Nothing incorrect with calling this a rematch. There seems to be a few kinds of rematches, and the strict definition you are stating is merely one of them. |
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Apr-11-08
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| Knight13: Korchnoi's son is a freakin' idiot. |
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| Apr-11-08 |
| Petrosianic: <Knight13> <Korchnoi's son is a freakin' idiot.> A generic idiot, or did you have something in mind? |
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| Apr-11-08 |
| Petrosianic: <plang> <Because they had played 2 previous matches; the candidates final in 74 and a wc match in 78.> Actually three previous matches, if you count their 6 game training match in 1971. |
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| Apr-11-08 |
| Petrosianic: <Operation Mindcrime> <Whether Korchnoi's defecting, or his son's dodging the draft, constitutes "disrespect for Soviet law" is a debatable point.> My understanding is that he didn't. Dodge the draft, that is. He was promised that he'd be allowed to emigrate if he surrendered his passport. Once he'd handed it over, they drafted him as a way of reneging on the deal. <acirce> <Finally, I wonder how Ingolf figures that insulting Karpov and the Soviets left and right helped Korchnoi to get his family out.> Not sure, but if Korchnoi had really wanted his family out, he could have had them at will, simply by refusing to play the match if they weren't released. Karpov's title was still extremely shaky after winning it without play. The world would not have accepted him as world champion by default twice. The Soviets desperately needed an over-the-board victory for Karpov in a championship match, and Korchnoi had something the Soviets needed. He sold it to them awfully cheap. |
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Apr-11-08
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| Knight13: <Petrosianic: <Knight13> <Korchnoi's son is a freakin' idiot.>
A generic idiot, or did you have something in mind?> His dad did all that stuff for/because of him and he just screw up and get arrested. Might've even cost his dad the match! |
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Apr-11-08
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| Knight13: "Cost his dad the match" I mean like he doesn't get to play Karpov and gets aborted. |
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| May-07-08 |
| chess61: <Slomarko> Your question is valid and very logical. This should not be called a "rematch". Korchnoi had to qualify. If we stick to World Chess Championship terminology, this is not a rematch. |
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May-07-08
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| chancho: Muhammad Ali had to fight other fighters after losing to Joe Frazier in 1971 and their second fight in 1974 was called a rematch. |
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| May-07-08 |
| Petrosianic: Rematch just means, informally "a second contest between the same oopponents". Even in chess you can see it used that way, as you can see by going to any server and looking for the "Rematch" button after playing a game. It's not, of course, a rematch in the narrower sense (i.e. an <automatic> title shot granted to a defeated champion), so there could be room for misinterpretation. |
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| Sep-20-08 |
| seeminor: There is a rather interesting piece of footage on youtube of Karpov meeting Breshnev in front of the politburo after he had beaten Korchnoi. Karpov looks like a small boy being congratulated by his drunk grandfather. Perhaps the most amusing part is the initial introduction, where Karpov briefly holds out his hand, and Breshnev ignores it. Karpov quickly pulls his hand away and smiles politely while Breshnev rattles on. |
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Oct-24-08
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| hedgeh0g: A completely unfair match, psychology-wise. Then again, given the Soviet Union's human rights record, something like this shouldn't come as a surprise. Anything to win, right? |
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| Oct-24-08 |
| Petrosianic: Korchnoi could have stopped it. He could have refused to play in 1978 unless his family were released. The world would not have accepted Karpov as world champion by default twice. The fact that he later married the secretary he had while his wife was stuck in the USSR might have something to do with why he didn't. |
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| Oct-24-08 |
| Petrosianic: <Perhaps the most amusing part is the initial introduction, where Karpov briefly holds out his hand, and Breshnev ignores it.> Remembering how Brezhnev was in 1978, he might not have even noticed it. |
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Jan-22-09
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| talisman: i like the new picture. |
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| Mar-01-09 |
| WhiteRook48: think this tore away their society |
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Karpov-Korchnoi World Championship Rematch (1981)
The headline of the tournament again largely centered on the political issues. Korchnoi's
wife and son were still in the Soviet Union. His son was promised to be released to join his
father in exile if he gave up his passport. When he did so he was promptly drafted into the
Russian army. Korchnoi took the opportunity of the match to publicize the situation of his
wife and son, drafting an open letter to the Soviet government to release them both. This
continuing effort likely led to his dismal performance as Karpov swept to victory in what
was dubbed the "Massacre in Merano".1
