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| Dec-19-06 |
| square dance: <Can someone explain to me, how the hell did Karpov lose his match against Short!?> MI6 made death threats against karpov. |
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| Dec-19-06 |
| Hesam7: <square dance: <Can someone explain to me, how the hell did Karpov lose his match against Short!?> MI6 made death threats against karpov.> That makes sense especially if we consider that the match was played in April of 1992 just shortly after KGB was disbanded (November 1991) and hence could not retaliate. |
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| Dec-19-06 |
| square dance: <That makes sense especially if we consider that the match was played in April of 1992 just shortly after KGB was disbanded (November 1991) and hence could not retaliate.> yeah, that basically makes it a fact. |
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Jan-15-07
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| whatthefat: At the time of this match, Chessmetrics rates Short as only #9 in the world at 2732, compared to Kasparov in #1 at 2877. Based purely on their respective ratings, Kasparov would be expected to win the match 13.5-6.5, so in the event Short did significantly better than expected. The rating difference was even larger going by January 1993 FIDE ratings, with Kasparov at 2805 and Short at 2655. Interestingly, Short also performed well ahead of his rating in the Candidates Matches, beating Gelfand with +2 (ratings predicted +0.6 to Gelfand), Karpov with +2 (ratings predicted +2 to Karpov!), and Timman with +3 (ratings predicted +0.6 to Short). In the meantime, his tournament results were far less impressive, accounting for his low overall rating. See http://db.chessmetrics.com/CM2/Play... |
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Jan-15-07
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| positionalgenius: <whatthefat>Karpov spaced out vs short.In 1993 he was world #2 again. |
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Jan-16-07
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| whatthefat: <positionalgenius: Karpov spaced out vs short.> It's strange isn't it? Is there a good explanation for the result? I noticed Short played the Budapest Gambit in the 1st game of their match, and was justifiably crushed. Yet he came back to win 6-4! |
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| Jan-19-07 |
| MJW 72: So does anybody have any justfiaction to the M16 death threats? They may have happened but just saying so does not prove it. |
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| Jan-20-07 |
| code13: "MJW 72: So does anybody have any justfiaction to the M16 death threats? They may have happened but just saying so does not prove it. " I assume the posting about an MI6 threat was a joke.
The fact that Short was rated 9 or whatever can be misleading. Ratings don't tell you everything. Nigel Short was immensely talented but by his own admission spent much of his later teenage years lying in bed doing as little as possible. He "cruised" on that talent. The loss to Speelman in the previous cycle was a wake up call, but only in the cycle in which he beat Karpov and Timman did he begin systematic study and training. With the correct motivation and the incentive of the world title, Short had the ability to pull out more than he had been producing on the tournament circuit. That wasn't enough to beat Kasparov, but showed that Short could produce peak efforts signicantly higher than his rating might suggest. |
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| Jan-22-07 |
| Eggman: <<During the FIDE candidates matches, when Kasparov was asked who the challenger would likely be, he replied: "It will be Short and it will be short!">> Forgive me if someone has already pointed this out, but Kasparov made his prediction only when the candidates' final was set, and thus he was only predicting that Short would get past Timman. Very few would have bet on short at the beginning of the candidates matches. |
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Feb-24-07
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| Knight13: (Vacillates between Fischer and Short) I guess I'll pick Fischer, thank you very much. |
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| Feb-24-07 |
| Kapablanca: <Nigel Short was immensely talented but by his own admission spent much of his later teenage years lying in bed doing as little as possible. He "cruised" on that talent.> You can NOT relay just in talent, which I think is the case. Chess needs completly, totaly dedication and modern chess even more. Only Capabablanca and Spassky, and even they two had to pay a price... for sleeping in a cloud. |
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Apr-10-07
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| artemis: It is generally felt that Short made the mistake that many first time challengers make: they come in prepared to play another match, but it is not just another match. It is a match against the best match player of the previous cycle. Apparently it is very difficult to adjust from the mentality of the candidates matches to the WC match. Just see game #1 for confirmation of this. I think that Short put up an admirable effort and that the final score did not reflect Short's abilities. He played enterprising chess, which made the match very interesting. |
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| Apr-10-07 |
| zev22407: Short missed a sure win in 3or 4 games in that match and a couple of drews, in one game he missed the win at list 6 time! |
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| Apr-10-07 |
| Marvol: <Kapablanca: Chess needs completly, totaly dedication and modern chess even more. Only Capabablanca and Spassky, and even they two had to pay a price... for sleeping in a cloud.> I understood that Capablanca (or his fans) liked to nurture this image of him being such a natural talent, but in the meantime he played lots and lots of chess when he was in New York on this 'job' for the Cuban government. If so, he practised more than most people know, no? Seems to me Lasker was one player who could spend ages away from the game before returning in good shape - but he never said much about how much he practised while not playing competitively. |
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| Apr-10-07 |
| JustAFish: <You can NOT relay just in talent, which I think is the case. Chess needs completly, totaly dedication and modern chess even more.> TOTAL dedication is right... at least according to one well known GM I met. I spent about an hour at a local chess tournament here in the US talking with a high ranked GM (whose name I won't reveal for obvious reasons) who told the tale of his sharing a room with Kramnik during a tournament. He said that on most days of the tourney, he would arise at 8:00 a.m. to find that Kramnik had already been at his laptop studying opening prep for what was apparently a few hours (as evidenced by remains of breakfast scattered about). When he would return later on, often after 9:00 p.m., he would find that Vlad had spent the entire day (but for the games) in the hotel room (more dishes) and would continue to do so until nearly midnight... clicking away at the laptop. The next day the same pattern would repeat. On some "Rest days" he would never even set foot outside the room. He said the "cultural excursions" were viewed, by Kramnik, as a nuisance. This GM told me that he thought "Screw that, I want a life." He said that one of the reasons he moved to the US, and didn't make it to the very top, is that he found he could make a fairly decent living teaching and promoting chess without having to do what Kramnik (and, according to him, most other top of the ratings list GMs) do to stay at the top and live off their winnings. "These people are like children in all but chess... they can't feed themselves or blanace a checkbook." |
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Apr-13-07
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| timhortons: he dominated short in ruy lopez and sicilian nadorj but never in fischer sozin...if history would have given fischer and kas a chance to duel on board i wonder how kas would defeat fischer |
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Apr-17-07
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| artemis: timhortons: I think that Kasparov would have won simply because he had two big advantages, both of them stemming from their age difference. Since Kasparov was younger than fischer, he would have more energy for the match, and he would be playing fischer during his peak or on his rise to his peak, where as Fischer would be older and not as quick. The second, and even more important factor is that Kasparov grew up learning from the changes in the game that Fischer had made. Kasparov would have a very good idea of what he was coming up against, whereas fischer would not have such certainty. As to the openings, I would point you to this: Kasprov in the late 80's was a beast in the Be2 scheveningen/najdorf. Why this opening? because this was how Karpov was comfortable playing against the Najdorf. Notice how he almost always chose the move order 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6, and only on move 6 would he play ...e6. He avoided the Keres attack in this manner, which was Karpov's preffered 'must-win' weapon against the scheveningen. Later, when his match with Shirov fell through, Kasparov did astonishingly well against the English attack, probably reasoning that this was going to be Shirov's choice. As short played the 6.Bg5 lines in the najdorf, Kasparov for it well. To answer your question, timhortons, I think that Fischer would have run into very strong preparation in the Bc4 lines if he continued with his predictable philosophy. That said, Fischer would have strong preparation there too, but one must remember that in his match with Anand, Kasparov, after not winning too many opening battles early in the match then switched his primary defense to 1. e4 and found success. This flexibility would have been unpleasant for fischer. |
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| Apr-17-07 |
| RookFile: Problem is, Fischer was flexible too. For example: Fischer himself also played Be2 against the Najdorf, although not as frequently as his beloved Bc4. Spassky did give Fischer a problem against Bc4 in the 1972 match....so Fischer showed flexibility and switched away from it, in that particular case to 1. c4. In fact, by 1972 that 'predicatable philospohy' you referred to was already old news. Fischer was no longer that type of player, and had both deepened and broadened his opening arsenal with weapons like 1. b3, 1. c4 and with black, a multitude of defenses he previously had not used much. |
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Apr-17-07
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| veigaman: I´m convinced that fischer could have been WC before 1972 if he had mixed his repertoire as he did in 1972 |
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Oct-15-07
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| notyetagm: <<Can someone explain to me, how the hell did Karpov lose his match against Short!?>> Karpov scored 0.5/5(!) with Black in his match with Short. Nigel's 1 e4 looked invincible against Karpov. I think Nigel won two Worrall Attacks in the Ruy Lopez, one Caro-Kann, and one Sicilian which Karpov played in the last game in desperation. It's easy to win 10-game matches when you score 4.5/5 (90%!) with White. |
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Dec-31-08
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| Karpova: Garry Kasparov: <The match against Short, on the other hand, was not at all memorable. I was much stronger.> Source: http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/kas... (Kasparov interview with Yuri Vasiliev, Sport Express 14th March 2005. Translated by: Ravi Abhyankar.) |
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| Dec-31-08 |
| Riverbeast: Of course Kasparov was much stronger than Short, but I don't agree that this match wasn't memorable...there were many interesting games played. Short played enterprising, attacking chess, but Kasparov proved he can defend as well as attack! |
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Dec-31-08
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| DaveyL: Agreed, the queen sac and double rook sac games were excellent. And when Gazza made one tiny slip up in game 16, Short was on to it like a shot and took him apart to take his first win in a WC match - twice as quickly as Gazza achieved his (as Nigel cheekily pointed out after....). |
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| Feb-25-09 |
| WhiteRook48: funny how Kasparov makes fun of Short's name |
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Mar-11-09
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| KingG: <Suleman Jamal: Can you tell me about some of your experiences with chess's elite? Nathan Divinsky: Well, I was with Kasparov, I went to his mansion in Regents Park at the end of the match for lunch, and he had not been nailing Short as much as I thought he should have, because Short would ruin his pawn structure at the beginning, and we all thought he was dead lost and then Kasparov would accept a draw. Turns out that he had just had his wisdom teeth pulled, and his wife had just left him. So he wasn't really a hundred percent. But he still smashed Short up pretty bad. He's an arrogant guy but he has every right to be arrogant. What I can't stand is people who are arrogant who have no business being arrogant. He has a talent. He can crank up the engine a notch whenever he has to. He is just amazing.> http://www.chessbc.ca/nd.htmlI had never heard about Kasparov's wife leaving him before, or about the wisdom teeth. It kind of reminds me of his match with Kramnik, and those mysterious 'personal problems', thought to be related to his second(?) divorce. |
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