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|Jun-12-07|| ||Swapmeet: Weird, this isn't the game I was expecting from Shirov in a must-win with white.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||nummerzwei: No, there isnīt in my view. I mean, itīs no trivial win at all, but Shirov decided in time trouble to offer a draw. The point is that Aronian won the match because of this draw.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||twinlark: <Karpova> You're quite right, but I'll stick with Leko and Aronian as my picks for Mexico.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||khursh: Kramnik, Gelfand and Leko are hard to beat whith high likelyhood of many draws. So the winner can be the one who beats risk takers --> Moro, Svidler and solid players --> Anand. Aronian likes complications.
Grischuk or Rublevski are also hard to predict. I think Rublevski will be more interesting in Mexico. He can come with opening novelties and also be the underdog.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||Per: <Davolni:
Svidler will be too busy with mexican food and their cuisine. Mexican cuisine is very attracting.... Burrrrrrritos, taquitos all day long.....:::))>
Quite the contrary. All that great food will give Svidler the vitamin injection he needs to keep up his game also in the final rounds....
|Jun-12-07|| ||nummerzwei: Iīm so happy to see Aronian get to Mexico. I did not think that Shirov would lose the match without winning a game.|
Iīve been following the game live on playchess and I thought all the time that there would come one of those surprising Shirov attacks and blow the black pieces off the board.
But it simply wasnīt in the position.
Aronian played very solid chess in this match- especially with black.
That Queenīs Indian game was very exciting and the two Ruy Lopez games show Aronian as one of worldīs leading experts of that opening.
CONGRATULATIONS AND GOOD LUCK
|Jun-12-07|| ||Ulhumbrus: It looks as if Aronian showed himself to be the stronger player in this match. If Shirov had his chances, he did not manage to make the most of them. I may have read something somewhere which suggests that Shirov could have played a match with Kasparov instead of Kramnik, but I don't know what happened with respect to such a match.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||mkrk17: Nice go for Aronian. Being a kid (23-24 yrs old) and reaching the final stages... is a great achievement. That too to knock out an old timer like shirov is a nice achievement. I know shirov is not exactly in his form, but still...the experience he has under his belt makes him a formidable opponent.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||Per: <Swapmeet: Weird, this isn't the game I was expecting from Shirov in a must-win with white.>|
I agree. Perhaps he had some really good home brew prepared against the Marshall and was hoping for Aronian to play that (he does with some frequence). I dont see any other reason.
|Jun-12-07|| ||Tomlinsky: A very enjoyable pairing. Props to Shirov as well who stamped his book in Elista with a performance that shows he can still be a tough cookie to beat and fully deserved his place. Any of his fans fitted with pacemakers should probably arrange a check up asap.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||micartouse: You gotta give respect to Shirov. He played energetically in a lot of the games and got <his> positions, but he just wasn't able to convert. On the other hand, he didn't wipe out as he has done on occasion; it was good GM chess and fun to watch.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||Davolni: Just out of curiousity ( not that it matters at this point), but does anybody know, or can calculate how many points he lost against Carlsen and Shirov?|
|Jun-12-07|| ||KamikazeAttack: Considering Shirov's recent poor form, he did well to compete on equal terms with in-form Aronian.|
It was a well fought contest.
Shirov has shown that it would be too premature to write his career at top level off, like I did recently.
I don't doubt his ability, it is his desire and committment that worries me.
|Jun-12-07|| ||dabearsrock1010: Why doesn't shirov play this out? im not good enough to see if this is a dead draw and maybe objectively it is, but come on man, you have to fight, especially when you are about to be eliminated!|
|Jun-12-07|| ||jhoro: <dabearsrock1010> i'm with you on this one. makes no sense folding this early. his only excuse is the clock|
|Jun-12-07|| ||Z.Ramsay: Wait who will Aronian now play?|
|Jun-12-07|| ||cotdt: <Z.Ramsay: Wait who will Aronian now play?>
|Jun-12-07|| ||chessmoron: What! Aronian, Gelfand, Leko and Grischuk/Rublevsky is going to Mexico. There's no candidate matches for them.|
|Jun-12-07|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <Shirov has shown that it would be too premature to write his career at top level off, like I did recently.>|
It must be nice to think so highly of yourself, <Kamikaze>. Maybe you could spare the rest of us?
There's this battleship I know about, I'll tell you where to find it, if you like.
|Jun-12-07|| ||Confuse: great games, thanks for the pleasure shirov and aronian. I look forward to aronian's results in the finals.|
|Jun-13-07|| ||Sellstein: I think that Aronian has also shown very good control of his nerves. The match against Carlsen must have been very tough because of all the media attention on the wonderkid. And against Shirov, everybody was counting on his win.|
|Jun-13-07|| ||Sellstein: <Ulhumbrus: .. Shirov could have played a match with Kasparov instead of Kramnik, but I don't know what happened with respect to such a match.>
Man, I did some research and found the following link:
It is an amazing novel. I am sure you will like it. All about money!
|Jun-13-07|| ||procumbo: With the prominent beard and brow, does anyone else think Aronian looks like the Armenian Lebron James?|
|Jun-14-07|| ||Ulhumbrus: <Sellstein> Thx. The story is indicated by some bits which I have cut and pasted below:
<...After the FIDE tournament in Groningen, several super grandmaster tournaments took place. In January 1998, Kramnik (ELO 2790 at the time of the tournament) and Anand (2770) tied for first place with 8.5 points in the 14 player, category 17 tournament held at Wijk aan Zee in the Netherlands. Shirov (2710), Timman (2635), and Adams (2670) finished a point behind. Karpov (2735) finished tied with four other players at 6.5 points. ...A story made the rounds during the tournament that Kasparov intended to organize a match between Kramnik and Anand. The winner would then play a match with Kasparov. When Anand was asked whether he had discussed such an arrangement with Kasparov, he replied that he had had no concrete discussions with Kasparov and that his contract for the FIDE world championship prevented him from playing in any such non-FIDE match for one year. |
...During the opening ceremony at Linares, organizer Luis Rentero and Kasparov announced the creation of the World Chess Council (WCC). The two men proposed to sponsor a 10 game match between Kramnik and Anand in Cazorla, Spain, beginning on 20 May.
...The WCC -- following the Grandmasters Association (GMA), the European Chess Union (ECU) and the Professional Chess Association (PCA) -- marked Kasparov's fourth attempt to create a counterbalance to FIDE....
...Regarding the contract with FIDE which prevented Anand from playing for world championships titles of other organizations, the WCC suggested that the relevant clause had little weight and could be settled favorably in court if FIDE took legal action. Anand's reaction was "I have signed a contract with FIDE, my signature binds me, and I am a man of my word".
When it became clear that Anand would not accept to play for the WCC, his place was offered to Shirov. The justification was Shirov's excellent showing in the Linares tournament, where he was in the running for first place until the last round. The fact that Shirov had recently taken Spanish citizenship may have also had some importance in the eyes of the Spanish sponsors.
...Shirov had been eliminated by Anand in the quarterfinal round at Groningen -- Kramnik had declined to participate at Groningen in protest against the advantages given to Karpov....The Shirov-Kramnik WCC match was played from 24 May to 5 June, in Cazorla, a resort town south of Linares in the region of Andalusia... Shirov scored +2-0=7 to win 5.5-3.5...
Shirov won the right to play Kasparov
To be continued in the next post...
|Jun-14-07|| ||Ulhumbrus: To continue from my last post
<...At the press conference on the eve of the match, Kasparov announced that his WCC title match with Shirov had been cancelled due to lack of sponsorship and funding. The funding had been based on verbal agreements between Rentero and the Andalusian regional government, with half to come from the Ministry for Tourism and Sport in Andalusia.
Rentero was a member of the political party which controlled the Ministry, but some time after the the WCC announcement in February, control of the Ministry passed to the opposition party in exchange for a supporting vote on a key issue in the Andalusian parliament. The new leadership of the Ministry had no desire to sponsor WCC activities... ...In March 2000... The Times reported that a ... World Championship match between Garry Kasparov and Viswanathan Anand was planned for October... Kasparov was reported to have agreed to the terms...
MSO later announced that Anand had not yet signed a contract and that he had been given until 27 March to do so. When he failed to meet the deadline, the invitation passed to Vladimir Kramnik. Keene, emerging as the spokesman for the organizing group, made it known that the initial discussions failed after Anand demanded an advance of 300.000 US$. As the prize fund -- 2/3 for the winner & 1/3 for the loser -- was being held in escrow, this was considered unnecessary.
The Hindu reported that Anand had received the offer on 14 February and had been given until 21 April to decide. The deadline was later pushed forward to 21 March, to allow an announcement early in April, just after Kasparov and Anand were to finish a rapid tournament in Iceland. The newspaper also implied that Anand was somewhat suspicious because he was aware neither of the sponsor's nor of the organizer's identity. As Keene had done Kasparov's dealing in the past, reports that he was behind the offer gave the impression that the 'contract was not on equal terms'... ...The match finished after 15 of the 16 games had been played, with Kramnik winning by the score of +2-0=13...>
Thus Shirov had the right to play Kasparov in 1998, but because the sponsor withdrew, Shirov simply lost the chance which he had won. As for Anand, he would not break a contract after signing it, so he did not play Kasparov before then, and he did not play instead of Kramnik in London because as said above, Anand wanted some payment in advance which the article says "was not considered necessary". In other words, Anand was not as sure of the trustworthiness of the London sponsors as the sponsors themselves might claim to be. Kramnik won the London match and the rest is history.
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