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Politiken Cup (2007)

  PARTICIPANTS (sorted by highest achieved rating; click on name to see player's games)
Vladimir Malakhov, Gabriel Sargissian, Jon Ludvig Hammer, Peter Heine Nielsen, Michal Krasenkow, Igor Khenkin, Tomi Nyback, Nick DeFirmian, Emanuel Berg, Tiger Hillarp Persson, Evgenij Agrest, Alexander Stripunsky, Frank Holzke, Jonny Hector, Mads Andersen, Hjorvar Steinn Gretarsson, Mikhail M Ivanov, Erik Blomqvist, Mikkel Antonsen, Esben Lund, Torstein Bae, Frode Olav Olsen Urkedal, Kjetil A Lie, Michele Godena, Helgi Dam Ziska, Krzysztof Bulski, Lars Schandorff, Bragi Thorfinnsson, Jake Kleiman, Allan Stig Rasmussen, Gudmundur Kjartansson, Tanguy Ringoir, Viktorija Cmilyte, Sejer Holm Petersen, Stellan Brynell, Gogineni Rohit, Throstur Thorhallsson, Tobias Hirneise, Nikolaj Mikkelsen, Mika Karttunen, Patrick Zelbel, Victor Nithander, Andreas Skytte Hagen, Christian Kyndel Pedersen, Sander van Eijk, Nicolai Getz, Christian Jepson, Igor Teplyi, Rasmus Skytte, Benjamin Arvola, Kassa Korley, Jacob Sylvan, Erik Zude, Torben Sorensen, Joachim Thomassen, Eric Brondum, Teddy Coleman, Christian Bleis, Jakob Aabling-Thomsen, Soeren Peschardt, Parker Bi Guang Zhao, Andreas Wiwe, Heini Olsen, Linus Olsson, Gunnar Finnlaugsson, Bo Garner Christensen, Jens Hirneise, Casper Rasmussen, Anders Hobber, Karsten Larsen, Peter Vass, Daniel Jakobsen Kovachev, Peter Skovgaard, Risto Tuominen, Per Naesby Andreasen, Niels Norskov Laursen, Stefan Christensen, Krister Jonsson, Thomas Struch, Omar Salama, Eric Vaarala, Anya Sun Corke, Gylfi Thorhallsson, Alexander Rosenkilde, Richard James Cannon, Lars Aaes Nielsen, Dara Akdag, Odd Martin Guttulsrud, Tomas Carnstam, Daniel Andersen, Anders Hansen, Jacob Kaaber-Hansen, Jorgen Hvenekilde, Andrew Borg, Svend Ellegaard Christensen, Alexander Johansson, Markus Orndahl, Dennis Jorgensen, Dimon Paul Pedersen, Thomas Sondergaard, John Holm Nielsen, Carsten Juul Nielsen, Gunnar Berg Hanssen, Peter Roder, Borge Waaktaar Svanholm, Kjetil Strand, Michael Agermose Jensen, Rene Duchene, Harry Andersen, Jacob Woge Nielsen, Joel Eklund, Jesper Schultz-Pedersen, Amir Tadjerbashi, Peter Birk Petersen, Henrik Molvig, Claus Rossen, Mikael Rolvag, Ib Hother Andersen, Torben Soraas, Conny Holst, Lars Rene Andersen, Janus Christensen, Thomas Flindt Christensen, Henrik Bolding Pedersen, Preben Dalberg, Andreas Schmied, Jacob Abildlund Brorsen, Lars Blomstrom, Krzysztof Leszczynski, Borge Hjerrild Nielsen, Nils Petersen, Wojciech Mamak, Henning Lau Rasmussen, Martin Valla, Jan Mose Nielsen, Frank Smeele, Steen Petersen, Rune Egede Andersen, Kasper Moller Jorgensen, Tor Ketil Larsen, Uffe Rasmussen, Finn Nohr, Wim Helmers, Rasmus Jorgensen, Raymond Charles Cannon, Tero Sihvonen, Flemming Preuss, Soren Holm Jensen, Robert Danielsson, Willem Hensbergen plus 73 more players

 page 1 of 22; games 1-25 of 538  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. M Fjellheim vs E Zude  0-1212007Politiken CupD26 Queen's Gambit Accepted
2. P Skovgaard vs H H Schmidt  1-0432007Politiken CupA08 King's Indian Attack
3. J Hernandez Castro vs S Holm Petersen  0-1512007Politiken CupD05 Queen's Pawn Game
4. R Tuominen vs B Fjellengen  1-0252007Politiken CupD30 Queen's Gambit Declined
5. K Korley vs A S Hagen  ½-½452007Politiken CupA46 Queen's Pawn Game
6. H Rasmussen vs J Sylvan  0-1442007Politiken CupE92 King's Indian
7. T Hirneise vs H Sjol  1-0212007Politiken CupB14 Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik Attack
8. H D Hansen vs G Kjartansson  0-1322007Politiken CupC45 Scotch Game
9. S Christensen vs E Pieri  1-0272007Politiken CupC78 Ruy Lopez
10. Harry Andersen vs J Kleiman  0-1312007Politiken CupB41 Sicilian, Kan
11. E Blomqvist vs J Viljanen  1-0312007Politiken CupB41 Sicilian, Kan
12. N Mikkelsen vs T Lynge 1-0302007Politiken CupB19 Caro-Kann, Classical
13. E Reppen vs H Olsen  0-1462007Politiken CupC97 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Chigorin
14. E Brondum vs P Jacobsen  ½-½282007Politiken CupA45 Queen's Pawn Game
15. V Nithander vs J Wilsbeck  1-0732007Politiken CupB84 Sicilian, Scheveningen
16. P Sigurdsson vs I Teplyi  0-1542007Politiken CupB80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
17. T Coleman vs E E Christensen  1-0432007Politiken CupD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
18. P Nielsen vs J Hvenekilde  ½-½252007Politiken CupA00 Uncommon Opening
19. M Edakina vs A Schmied  0-1462007Politiken CupE61 King's Indian
20. A Corke vs T Madsen  1-0182007Politiken CupA45 Queen's Pawn Game
21. P Zhao vs L Meier 1-0242007Politiken CupB01 Scandinavian
22. I Traustason vs P B Petersen  0-1862007Politiken CupE20 Nimzo-Indian
23. R Hedler vs G Thorhallsson  0-1482007Politiken CupE00 Queen's Pawn Game
24. Holzke vs D Jorgensen 1-0502007Politiken CupB19 Caro-Kann, Classical
25. B G Christensen vs M Motzkus  1-0222007Politiken CupA46 Queen's Pawn Game
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Jul-26-07  Troller: Hector-Thorfinnsson is interesting:

1.d4,d5 2.Nc3?!,Nf6 3.Bg5,c5 4.Bxf6,gxf6 5.e3 (in Ah Hamad vs Z Pengxiang, 2006, White played e4 and was crushed in 20 moves),Nc6 6.Qh5?!:


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Of course, Hector is well-known for his original play, also in the openings.

Jul-26-07  nescio: <Of course, Hector is well-known for his original play, also in the openings.>

Well, although White lost quickly, the middlegame position in O Sagalchik vs I Krush, 2003 looks highly unclear. Hector should be in his element.

Jul-26-07  Troller: <nescio> Yes, but he took some time before playing 8.0-0-0 as in the Krush game. One would have expected him to be prepared for this line. Black plays 8..Bb4 and they are still following that game, although, judging from the time, none of them knows (or remembers).

Jul-26-07  nescio: <Troller> If Hector knows the earlier game, he may be searching for an early improvement, knowing the result.
Jul-26-07  Troller: Maybe. But he played 9.Nge2 just the same after more than a quarter of an hour's thought.

Meanwhile, deFirmian is trying to play solidly, but Sargissian has some annoying play on the Q-side.

Krasenkow-Nielsen after 21.Qb3,Rae8:


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At first glance, white may have an edge because of his actively posted pieces, but I really have difficulties judging this.

Jul-26-07  nescio: Looking at your diagram, the position in Krasenkow-Nielsen seems equal to me. The black knight has a nice square on e5, hindering White's activity.
Jul-26-07  Troller: Krasenkow-Nielsen continues 22.Nd2,d3 23.Qxd3,Nd4 24.Bc4 with sharp play. Can Black play ..f5?
Jul-26-07  nescio: <Troller: Can Black play ..f5?> Good call. d4 is indeed an even better square for the knight, but I doubt that it's worth a pawn.
Jul-26-07  Troller: He did play ..f5, and now Krasenkow has B+N+R against queen. Postion after 28..Qxf5:


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Obviously material advantage for White, but very difficult to play. His minor pieces are placed awkardly, and there may come lots of Q-checks. On the other hand, Black has to secure his back rank at some point, giving White a tempo.

Jul-26-07
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  Appaz: Nyback-Bae reached this position


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where black of course played 61...Bxd4, but then they went on playing for eleven more moves until this position:


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Wonder why they bothered.

Bae is btw playing for his IM-title. He needs to raise his rating to 2400, and he is very close at the moment. Scoring 50% in the remaning games should be more than enough.

Jul-27-07  Troller: Unfortunately local hero Nielsen lost yesterday. Malakhov maneouvred around until his lower rated opponent panicked and played d6-d5 to lose the game in oncoming time trouble.

Malakhov-Krasenkow and Sargissian-Hillarp Persson are the top games of today.

Malakhov-Krasenkow is so far a QGD, the Sargissian game QGA:


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position after 4..Bg4

Jul-27-07  Troller: Stig Rasmussen may be the Dane to cheer for now the other Rasmussen got thrown out of the tour. He was a grand talent some years back, then took a break, but returned to chess about a year ago and has been improving rapidly.

Today he is playing Khenkin with White in a Caro-Kann that is following P Negi vs T Willemze, 2007 at least until move 14.

Jul-27-07  Troller: Malakhov has given Krasenkow something to think about with the rare 1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nf3 Nf6 4 Nc3 Be7 5 e3 0-0 6 a3

Krasenkow has spent more than twenty minutes so far. The move 6 a3 was used not long ago in the European Championship: D Shengelia vs K Landa, 2007

Jul-27-07  Troller: Hillarp Persson has spent more than an hour pondering 9.Qb3:


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Meanwhile, Nielsen has a pleasant position and an hour on the clock against Nithander. The position in Malakhov-Krasenkow is just about to open up, but knowing these two, play is still level.

Jul-29-07  PaulKeres: I think that 10 rounds is too many, it is starting to be difficult to get the pairings. Also Malakhov has had too much time to recover from a poor start. I think 9 rounds is better.

Anyone disagree, and why?

Also interests me how they decided how many rounds to have in a Swiss. Anyone know any theory / maths on this matter, a www link perhaps?

Jul-29-07  Karpova: <PaulKeres: Also Malakhov has had too much time to recover from a poor start. I think 9 rounds is better.> Malakhov won the first 4 games
Jul-29-07  Karpova: Sargissian-Malakhov 1/2
Nybäck-Krasenkow 1/2

So Malakhov, Sargissian and Krasenkow have all 8 points

Jul-29-07  Karpova: De Firmian (won against Nielsen in a wild attacking game) and Berg (won against Schandorff) also got 8 points
Jul-29-07  PaulKeres: This proves my point I believe, that 9 rounds might have been better than 10, since we ended up with 5 co-leaders.
Jul-29-07  Troller: Politiken Cup actually used to be 11 rounds. This was kind of a specialty. Logically, more rounds should give a better chance for a single winner, but 1 extra round ought not to matter that much.

Nielsen btw presumably had a win somewhere in the last round. But a nice fight anyway!

Jul-29-07
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  sisyphus: <PaulKeres: Also interests me how they decided how many rounds to have in a Swiss.> How many rounds is up to the organizer. But the basic measure is that you need at least n rounds, where 2^n > number of players. By that standard, you can get a single winner - if someone wins all their games.

In this case, with 279 players, you should have at least nine rounds. Regardless, there's no way to prevent a shared first place.

Jul-30-07  PaulKeres: < Troller: Politiken Cup actually used to be 11 rounds. This was kind of a specialty. Logically, more rounds should give a better chance for a single winner, but 1 extra round ought not to matter that much. >

I don't think it's true that <more rounds give a better chance of a single winner>, as top players start to draw and "almost-top" players can catch up by beating the low rated players. ... I'll try to find a www link to help my argument here, a post it later ... be back ...

Jul-30-07  PaulKeres: ... Investigating more on this Swiss topic, and now of rounds. Its as fine balancing act, and headache stuff to think about for too long! :) but ofcourse you don't want too many rounds, as players will end up playing each other more than once (although this ofcourse is not a sin, but usually not done, gets messy). Too few, and you just have no chance of an outright winner.

As <sisyphus> correctly points out, its normally thought you need minimum of 2^n > number of players where n is rounds.

I was interested in a "rule of thumb" for a maximum no. of rounds before for example players start playing each other a second time.

The difficulty with chess ofcourse is the fact that there are so many draws - this complicates it all yet further.

After saying all this, I do like the Swiss way of doing things.

Aug-01-07  barbababa: <PaulKeres> <a "rule of thumb" for a maximum no. of rounds before for example players start playing each other a second time.> I thought they always play against closest opponent with whom they haven't played yet. E.g. if there are two players in the lead with 7 points and they have played allready against each other, they play against someone with 6 1/2 points. If they have allready played against all who have 6 1/2 points they play against someone with 6 points etc. So they could play (number of players -1) rounds without playing against same opponent twice.
Aug-02-07  PaulKeres: Yes, but its not ideal for players with different scores to play each other. Obviously though "7 pts v 6.5 pts" is fine though.
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