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|Dec-11-07|| ||square dance: <Why is Gazza not getting rightfully blamed as he should be?> because he played the najdorf and not the petrov.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||chessmoron: <chancho> Since the World Cup winner SHOULD have been the only candidate for the championship in the 2009 cycle as reported by Kirsan before Elista WC match. FIDE/Topalov has screwed Shirov (if he wins against Kamsky).|
|Dec-11-07|| ||capablancakarpov: <Actually he did. He qualified in the Interzonal and was placed twice in the Candidate Matches, one for PCA and another for FIDE.
Shirov was one off in every Interzonal tournament and never made it to the Candidate matches qualifier.>|
I´m not saying playing the Candidate Matches, i´m saying winning the right to play the final.
And Shirov defeated Kramnik for the right to play against Kasparov in the final of Candidate Matches.
<square dance> Ok, this could last forever. I apologize for my insults, tough they were thrown because I felt insulted too. Anyway, we have differents opinions about Kramnik value as World Champion, and we won´t reach an agreement,unless Kramnik defeats Anand and then Topalov-Shirov-Kamsky, i think.
|Dec-11-07|| ||acirce: And why doesn't Anand ever get any heat for accepting the match offer in 1999? I think we all know the answer. None of these people really care about Shirov -- just using his tragedy as a weapon in the holy war against Kramnik.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||DevastatioN: <capablancakarpov>
Not to get into this foolish arguement too much, I have my own opinions I derive from logic etc. which may differ from both sides... but Kramnik actually was at one point the World #1 in the rating list. He is also set to be #1 again soon depending on how the rating list goes in January.
|Dec-11-07|| ||chancho: <square dance> lol|
|Dec-11-07|| ||ajile: I think Kamsky will win on Thursday. He is playing subtle virtually flawless chess.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||chancho: <chessmoron> Imagine that. Shirov wins the world cup, and Topalov beats him in the match, to take his place.
The poor bastard is jinxed.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||cotdt: OK OK shirov gets screwed by everyone. let's just leave it at that.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||bakuazer: When I looked at the list of 8 quarter-finalists, I thought, except Shirov and Kamsky, none of them comes even close to being able to put any serious resistance against Topalov.|
Now I am glad to see Shirov and Kamsky in the final. Don't forget that thay were both serious challengers of the WC Title. I think any of them can play well against Topalov, they both have enough experience, which is the most important factor in such a match! Both Shirov and Kamsky do not like Kasparov. They both beat Kramnik in a match. They are both extremely ambitious. They both think the chess establishment has been unfair to them. They both certainly think they well deserve World Champion title.
So, seeing Anand, Kramnik, Topalov and Kamsky-Shirov at the top of chess world fighting for the title is really exciting. It does not get better than this.
|Dec-11-07|| ||s4life: <square dance: no, its a fact. deal with it.>|
Nope. It isn't. deal with it.
|Dec-11-07|| ||Petrosianic: <So, which of these two has to prove something?>|
You do. you pack a lot of misinformation into a few sentences. For example:
<Anand qualified to play for the Fide World Chess Championship, then lost against Karpov.>
Wrong. He didn't qualify for Groningen. He was seeded by virtue of rating, pretty much the same way Kramnik got his shot.
<Anand was stripped of his title without defense.>
Wrong again. He played in the 2001 Moscow FIDE championship, won by Ponomariov, and was knocked out by Ivanchuk.
<Anand won the 2006 World Chess Champion tournament,>
Actually, it was 2007. This year.
<Kramnik never qualified to play for a World Chess Championship. In fact, he lost matches against Shirov and Kamsky.>
Wrong again. You mentioned yourself that he was "qualified" to play at San Luis. You said he was qualified by his world champion title. No, he was qualified by rating, the same thing that got him into the Kasparov match. Kasimdzhanov was the only one who could be said to have "qualified" for San Luis, and even in his case, the qualification was retroactive.
<Kramnik drew against Topalov in his second defense>
Wrong again. He won in classical games, 3-2. It was only the official score that showed a tie.
<Kramnik has never been the World 1st ranked player.>
Actually, he was for one month once, and will be again when the next rating list comes out. Not that this has anything to do with the world championship title one way or the other, of course...
The way you seem to have this figured in your mind, the "playoffs" are more important than the "Superbowl". But your standards are applied inconsistently.
|Dec-11-07|| ||KamikazeAttack: Who is this sorry dude that Petrosianic is schooling? lol.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||brankat: Now he's "Anonymous" :-)|
|Dec-11-07|| ||cracknik: This whole 128 player tournament is ludicrous.A weaker player can get lucky and a stronger player can make a mistake and that's it.It's like fide doesn't respect the fans and the championship lineage where a long match truly determined who was the better plyer.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||cracknik: I am referring to the fide knockout tournament not this one.My mistake.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||chessmoron: ?? This is the FIDE KO tournament AKA World Cup.|
|Dec-11-07|| ||orio24: Anyway, who do you think will win this World Cup? Kamsky or Shirov? I guess it will be Shirov, he plays in really excellent form in this tournament. Kamsky got lot better too, but I don't think it will be enough yet.|
|Dec-12-07|| ||ahmadov: <orio24: Anyway, who do you think will win this World Cup? Kamsky or Shirov?> My predictions came true for 90% during this tournament, so you can be sure that Kamsky will win, I would love to see Shirov winning though...|
|Dec-12-07|| ||badest: <ahmadov> In this case you are wrong. Shirov will win. :)|
... and we will have an exciting match to look forward to: Topalov - Shirov.
|Dec-12-07|| ||ahmadov: <badest> I hope I am wrong...|
|Dec-12-07|| ||OneArmedScissor: Kamsky all the way!
That's who I will be routing for!
|Dec-12-07|| ||Honza Cervenka: If I am not wrong, Shirov has active score with Kamsky in classical chess +8-3=7 (one of Kamsky's wins from 1988 is not in database yet) and the last game that Gata won with Alexei is from 1992. All four later wins were rapid, blindfolded and blitz games. Of course, it may have no special meaning here but I would be rather sceptical to predictions that Gata is the favourite here.|
|Dec-12-07|| ||TIMER: <Honza> Yes, but they have only played one classical game since Kamsky's comeback, so it is hard to judge. We are entering largely unexplored territory. Also bear in mind that Kamsky might be more suited to matches. Shirov is more unstable.|
|Dec-12-07|| ||Honza Cervenka: <TIMER> Of course, that's true. Btw, I would recommend to anyone to go through all their games, especially those with classical time control. Very entertaining stuff.|
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