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MATCH STANDINGS
Cez Chess Trophy Rapid Match

Vladimir Kramnik5.5/8(+4 -1 =3)[view games]
David Navara2.5/8(+1 -4 =3)[view games]

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Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Navara 1-033 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidE04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
2. Navara vs Kramnik 0-162 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
3. Kramnik vs Navara 1-064 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidA37 English, Symmetrical
4. Navara vs Kramnik ½-½68 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidE46 Nimzo-Indian
5. Kramnik vs Navara  ½-½36 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidB72 Sicilian, Dragon
6. Navara vs Kramnik 0-136 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
7. Kramnik vs Navara  ½-½44 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidA34 English, Symmetrical
8. Navara vs Kramnik 1-041 2008 Cez Chess Trophy RapidD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
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May-18-08  slomarko: where are now all the clowns who claimed this was a missmatch?
May-18-08  gorash: <slomarko> I'd like to check in! this _was_ a mismatch
May-18-08  square dance: <slo> what score do you think would constitute a mismatch?
May-18-08  cannibal: <slomarko: where are now all the clowns who claimed this was a missmatch?>

Well it's nice that Navara had a good last day, but when it's 5-1 you can't really say it was tense, even if he had won both games today.

I know he also had his chances before, but you can't just argue "he could have won here and drawn there", without looking at the match standings - and then conclude that it was an even matchup.

May-18-08  JuliusCaesar: Well done Navara! The last game was excellent.
May-18-08  slomarko: <square dance: <slo> what score do you think would constitute a mismatch?> well the Fischerian 6:0 is probably a mismatch.
May-18-08  zoat22: doesnt really seem like navara can compete on the same level as kramnmik lol
May-18-08  square dance: <well the Fischerian 6:0 is probably a mismatch.> yes, but +3 in an 8 game match is also pretty decisive. anyway, it was good for navara to get a win. maybe this will help boost his confidence.
May-18-08  slomarko: <yes, but +3 in an 8 game match is also pretty decisive.> it is a decisive result but if you look at the games Navara could have easily won another two and most of the games were a tough battles anyway.
May-18-08  Mameluk: Navara won a game, thanks god. Maybe too clear match, but opinions insinuating Kramnik gave a mercy draw to David in game 7 are pretty funny.
May-18-08  square dance: well, slo, i guess there are some small consolations for you navara fans. ;-)
May-18-08  Mameluk: I think that Navara lacks this 4-hour a day blitzing on internet training, which is very underestimated by some older GMīs:)
May-18-08  littlefermat: lol. <gorash>
May-19-08  Davolni: i think it was just a gift from Kramnik, so that Navara doesn't give up playing chess completely, which otherwise might have been the case. keeping in mind that he had some issues lately, which he expressed during some interviews and stuff like this might have been a major impact on him...
May-19-08  slomarko: <Davolni> why don't you concetrate on the gift draw Bu gave to Aronian instead?
May-19-08  yalie: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...

scroll down to see

Kramnik pawing other ladies?

May-19-08  Akavall: This is a cool venue.

I think there is a church build from skulls and bones in Czech Republic; they could've played there ;).

May-19-08  Akavall: This is what I was talking about, in case anybody is wondering:

http://www.artgraphica.net/art-shop...

May-19-08  yalie: any video / report of the press conference?
May-20-08  Atking: Still I'm quite afraid by lazier attitude of Kramnik. He played at most of his strenght the first two games (Very good ones) then got lazy until the game 6 somewhat by proud he tried again. The very talented Navara of course played very well and missed some opportunities but it seems these opportunies were build more by the lazy way which Kramnik displayed than a greater strategy from his opponent.
May-21-08  ongyj: I wonder if Kramnik is preparing to go into rapids with Anand!
May-22-08  wallytherhino: Kramnik won but does he have the stamina to play 12 games?
May-22-08  square dance: he made it 15 games in elista.
May-23-08
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  brankat: If one doesn't have the stamina to do 12 games, then one should not be participating in WC cycles at all.

In the not-so-distant past, WC matches were scheduled to be 24 games long, often considerably longer (in 1927, 1935, 1984 for example). I don't remember anyone complaining (other than in '84).

Twelve games, on the other hand, is not only too short a contest, but also ridiculous. Considering that it is supposed to be a match for World Chess Championship title, then the 12-game format, together with its tie-breaker stipulations, is more than just ridiculous. It's outright insulting.

May-28-08  ongyj: <brankat> I do agree with the gist of your post-- gone were the good old days where the contestants were able to (and dare to) play out some creative/innovative play -- Having longer games means having chances to come back from 1 or 2 losses.

But I think that's the gradual development of sports and games altogether. No longer do contestants need to show grace, but compete in speed. Look at the change in formats of games like badminton, volleyball, table tennis... all succumbs to "quick points" system, be it better or worse for the game, as well as the people watching it.

Unless some particular sponsors are willing to invest sufficient amount of money to revive the old system, and if there are enough chess fans willing to faithfully follow the entire series of games [I would be 1 of those and I sure you will too!]...

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