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|Jun-22-08|| ||JointheArmy: <square dance> Korchnoi said he thought there were only two talented chessplayers and you said he was half right. I just assumed agreed with him on one, but not the other.|
|Jun-22-08|| ||square dance: well, i think morozevich is great, and i wish he would play in more top events, but to say there are two top chess talents in the world and name moro as one of seems kind of strange. i realize some people regard moro as a genius, but more so than, for example, the human Fritz, vishy anand? hmm, im not so sure about that one. i realize kramnik doesnt display the fighting spirit that moro does, but why does that make him less of a genius? i know some people will say that moro doesnt work as hard as his peers, but his laziness should not be held against them. |
korchnoi is an entertaining guy to listen to, but maybe he should only be taken half seriously. ;-)
...and to answer your question: carlsen, of course.
|Jun-22-08|| ||zoat22: Korchnoi's comment certainly was strange, but yes, I have to agree with <Square Dance> that it would make more sense to include Kramnik or Anand as the second great talent.|
|Jun-22-08|| ||Pjalle: square dance and zoat, I guess Korchnoi was referring to talent as in 'young' players. Kramnik and Anand are great but they are already getting 'old' and would usually not be referred to as 'talents'. On the other hand some may argue that Moro is 'old' too...|
|Jun-22-08|| ||square dance: <pjalle> moro was born july 18, 1977. he's only two years younger than kramnik. i know the korchnoi interview is from at least some months ago, but still. you shouldnt really be talked about in terms of potential when you're 25+, in general. not that i believe korchnoi was doing so here.|
|Jun-22-08|| ||Pjalle: maybe Korchnoi is actually slomarko, who knows. Korchnoi is simply a fan of Moro, guess it's as simple as that.|
|Jun-22-08|| ||Halfpricemidge: <Morphy Marvellous> Why havn't you created any game collections? Just curious to see which Morphy games carry the most intrigue and/or instuctional value.|
|Jun-22-08|| ||square dance: it kind of seems that way. of course he's entitled to his opinion. i think if you asked, for example, kasparov he would mention mention kramnik before morozevich. the fact that moro drew korchnoi's attention is very interesting, though.|
|Jun-22-08|| ||square dance: <atking> & <rolfo> somehow i didnt see your comments until just now. you're both welcome. im glad you liked them.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||square dance: <keypusher> you'd think the respective match scores wouldnt have prompted anderssen to make such a claim. maybe it was the gentlemanly thing to do. maybe he actually felt that way. apparently he was considered to be extremely objective. steinitz said this about him: |
<Anderssen was honest and honorable to the core. Without fear of favor he straightforwardly gave his opinion, and his sincere disinterestedness became so patent, that his word alone was usually sufficient to quell disputes, for he had often given his decision in favor of a rival.>
perhaps steinitz came to this conclusion only after anderssen declared steinitz to be superior to morphy. ;-)
|Jun-23-08|| ||metatron2: <zoat22> i noticed a new user with handle "zoat" on FICS, i guess that is you right?|
|Jun-23-08|| ||zoat22: <metatron2> Yes :) You are right, that is me.|
|Jun-23-08|| ||drnooo: The odd thing about Korchnoi, or perhaps, well I started to say not so odd, but yes it IS odd is his take on Tal. He whomped the living daylights out of the magician from Riga and yet look at how he comes very close to isolating him as almost the only genius he knew. Also look at the backhanded roundabout way he has of discussing Carlsen. He does not come flat out and say that he is a genius, plays correctly, etc. Just that he is a fighter. Yet. Yet. It still stands that he has seen them all, beaten the best, and is some kind of weird chess bookie, kind of a: Carlsen is a good pony: bet on him. I am Victor Korchnoi and I approve of this message.|
|Jun-24-08|| ||keypusher: But Korchnoi is also implicitly criticizing both Tal and Carlsen by saying that they succeeded by exercising a non-chess psychological pressure on their opponents, and that this accounted for a measure of their success.|
<It seemed to me that the main thing was not a chess aspect, but his extraordinary strong psychology and he uses psychological aspect of his mental power (something of that kind) over the board. I saw him playing a game against Shirov in the tournament where he did not shine out, and during the game it seemed that he should have struggle for a draw, he had a worse position, but he suddenly played an incredible combination. I thought that Shirov was really more psychologically vulnerable than other strongest grandmasters, the same thing felt Karlsen and he decided to risk: instead of playing for equalization, he posed such a problem for Shirov, which he did not manage to solve.>
<"In view of your question [when will Carlsen become #1?], I'd like to remember Mikhail Tal's creative development. He really had a bright talent, he did not make an impression of a hard worker, but of a man with ingenious ideas. He had a strong psychology and he managed to defeat almost all modern grandmasters with rare and obscure exception - he lost to Keres and to me, and to no one else. Perhaps, even very likely that Karlsen will come across very strong people, who will not fall under non-chess influence.">
It seems to me that Korchnoi is boasting that he beat Tal by resisting his psychological pressure, and others will beat Carlsen by doing the same thing.
Is that right? I don't know. I think it is too early to make that sort of judgment about Carlsen. But at least where Tal is concerned, it is the sort of judgment that Korchnoi is almost uniquely qualified to make.
|Jun-24-08|| ||metatron2: <zoat22: that is me.> i was just wondering: does getting 1.5/4 score in blitz against 3 strong engines is something of an ordinary for u ?|
|Jun-24-08|| ||rogge: <It seems to me that Korchnoi is boasting that he beat Tal by resisting his psychological pressure, and others will beat Carlsen by doing the same thing.|
Is that right? I don't know. I think it is too early to make that sort of judgment about Carlsen>
Since Korchnoi said this, Carlsen has already become a MUCH stronger player. But it was an interesting interview.
|Jun-24-08|| ||zoat22: <metatron2> I'm not really sure, because I play on playchess.com and there they don't have engines which play like this. The only other time when I played engines was on ICC when I had a trial account, but that was about four years ago and I was about 1200 then. By the way, is 18:00 GMT the same as 14:00 EDT?|
|Jun-24-08|| ||metatron2: <zoat22> i don't have FICS installed now since i am at work, but if i remember correctly u beat 2200 engine there.
just for comparison, Rybka is rated just a bit below 2400 in FICS, and if we say that Rybka is at least 2900
then i estimate that engine to be around 2600. obviously it is quite rare that 2000 player will beat 2600 player, but it is even
much harder for 2000 player to be beat (and later draw) 2600 engine when playing 3 0, that is much more error prone for the human.
so i have to admit that i am somewhat suspicious here, but we will see that when we meet.|
yes, GMT 18:00 is EDT 14:00.
|Jun-24-08|| ||zoat22: well first i am 13 years old and pretty under rated.. in tournaments ive been drawing with 2300s so ide say im quite a bit better than my 2000 rating.. second it seems to me like the computer did not play like a 2600 player at all, to be honest, it played like the 1900 computers on the ICC... if your saying you think im using an engine or something, then you can check our games after... anyway on WCL and playchess.com im usually around 2300-2400 at blitz and have reached 2550 before and so for me losing 1.5-.5 to that 2200 was a pretty bad result... anyway since you seem to have some suspsicion ide be using an engine make a playchess.com account and ill play you on there.. because on there people who use computers are kicked off, so it wouldnt be possible for cheating to go on there.. also one more thing it is pretty rude to go making statements like your suspicious before we have even played... why cant you maybe just accept that i am not as bad as you think, or possibly that i am better than you.. you said you were 2200 many years ago, maybe you have just weakened over time.. anyway to me it kind of sounds like you are trying to make an excuse in case you lose, but like i said, if you really believe what your saying we can always play on playchess.com... anyways looking forward to playing you this afternoon|
|Jun-24-08|| ||jtd200: <zoat><ide say im quite a bit better than my 2000 rating.. >|
I don't think I've ever met a rated chess player under the age of 30 who actually feels that his/her rating accurately describes his/her current level of play. Funny...
|Jun-24-08|| ||metatron2: <zoat22>
it seems like i just met the next chess prodigy :)
i am sorry if were rude, it just that it seemed like a real extraordinary result for an 2000 player,
and i didn't know that you were some kido with very steep rating graph that has 2500 rating on playchess.
in any case, no need to play on playchess, i can spot comp usage from miles by myself if needed.
and i wasn't trying to make an excuse in case i lose just wanted to understand what is going on here (and i guess i did..).
well i guess it is going to be much tougher for me then i expected, but maybe more interesting too..
|Jun-24-08|| ||Ziggurat: <so for me losing 1.5-.5 to that 2200 was a pretty bad result.> FYI, 2200 on FICS is a very high rating - only 16 humans have 2200 or more. The highest human rating currently is 2311 ... so I would say your result is quite respectable.|
|Jun-25-08|| ||splatty: I think Aerosvit is one of the most interesting tournament in the world nowadays. There is always a super-strong set of players and they are usually of the interesting and exciting type. Carlsen's emphatic win of this truly shows how massively strong he is; I think a lot of these guys are more dangerous than the usual stodgy cast of the world elite like Kramnik, Leko, and Gelfand. |
Aerosvit definitely ranks above Dortmund for me, which has always been too short a tournament, and is pretty much as interesting as Linares, Sofia, and Wijk Ann Zee.
|Jun-25-08|| ||rogge: I agree with what you say about Dortmund. M-Tel isn't THAT great either. Tal Memorial and the Grand Prix series are other nice tournaments.|
|Jun-30-08|| ||Cactus: I'm afraid, as Kramnik showed today, that he isn't boring at all.|
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