| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 28
|1. Ivanchuk vs Van Wely
||½-½||39||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B84 Sicilian, Scheveningen|
|2. Mamedyarov vs Leko
||½-½||24||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||E25 Nimzo-Indian, Samisch|
|3. J Gustafsson vs Kramnik
||½-½||29||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D85 Grunfeld|
|4. Naiditsch vs I Nepomniachtchi
||½-½||30||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|5. J Gustafsson vs Naiditsch
||1-0||23||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation|
|6. Kramnik vs Van Wely
||1-0||29||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|7. Leko vs Ivanchuk
||1-0||57||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation|
|8. I Nepomniachtchi vs Mamedyarov
||½-½||40||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||C78 Ruy Lopez|
|9. Van Wely vs Leko
||½-½||31||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||E15 Queen's Indian|
|10. Ivanchuk vs I Nepomniachtchi
||½-½||19||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|11. Naiditsch vs Kramnik
||1-0||42||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||C42 Petrov Defense|
|12. Mamedyarov vs J Gustafsson
||½-½||27||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav|
|13. J Gustafsson vs Ivanchuk
||½-½||31||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation|
|14. Kramnik vs Leko
||½-½||22||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||E15 Queen's Indian|
|15. I Nepomniachtchi vs Van Wely
||1-0||48||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|16. Naiditsch vs Mamedyarov
||½-½||41||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation|
|17. Van Wely vs J Gustafsson
||0-1||18||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D31 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|18. Ivanchuk vs Naiditsch
||1-0||53||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav|
|19. Mamedyarov vs Kramnik
||½-½||40||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||E15 Queen's Indian|
|20. Leko vs I Nepomniachtchi
||½-½||30||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack|
|21. J Gustafsson vs Leko
||0-1||45||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||E15 Queen's Indian|
|22. Mamedyarov vs Ivanchuk
||½-½||29||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||E25 Nimzo-Indian, Samisch|
|23. Naiditsch vs Van Wely
||1-0||26||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|24. Kramnik vs I Nepomniachtchi
||½-½||39||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||D12 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|25. Ivanchuk vs Kramnik
||1-0||49||2008||Dortmund Sparkassen||C42 Petrov Defense|
| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 28
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 52 OF 52 ·
|Jul-07-08|| ||Bobsterman3000: Kramnik seemed disinterested more than "out of form." Maybe he shouldn't have played (especially with no prize money at stake) and he could have used this time for more WC preparation and rest...|
|Jul-07-08|| ||Kaspablanca: abejorral have a big crush on Kramnik, i am sure about it, but he must know kramnik is married.:)|
|Jul-07-08|| ||yalie: sad to see that there were no Kramnik interviews from Dortmund ..|
|Jul-07-08|| ||yalie: from kramnik.com
<The Dortmund Chess Crown Sparkassen Chess Meeting took place from 28th June to 6th July. A Category 18 event where the participants were: Kramnik, Ivanchuk, Leko, Mamedyarov, Gelfand, Nepomniachtchi, Gustafsson, Naiditsch
Hungarian GM Peter Leko was the clear winner, for the third time in his career. Clear favourite GM Vladimir Kramnik, who had won this event 8 times, performed below all expectations to finish with only 3/7.
Kramnik is just focusing in his long awaited match against Anand in October, but anyway, this result was not anticipated.
|Jul-07-08|| ||messachess: <I thought I was going to start having withdrawal symptoms> Yeh, I feel better now too.|
|Jul-08-08|| ||Whitehat1963: Much as I don't like Kramnik either, I suspect he was playing poorly with the sole intent of giving Anand bad ideas, trying to suck him in to playing to Kramnik's strengths. Perhaps I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I can't see any other reason for Kramnik's poor performance in such a mediocre field.|
|Jul-08-08|| ||notyetagm: <Whitehat1963: Much as I don't like Kramnik either, I suspect he was playing poorly with the sole intent of giving Anand bad ideas, trying to suck him in to playing to Kramnik's strengths.>|
Do you really think Anand is that stupid?
<Perhaps I'm a conspiracy theorist, but I can't see any other reason for Kramnik's poor performance in such a mediocre field.>
Kramnik being out of form because he plays so rarely never crossed your mind?
|Jul-08-08|| ||brankat: There is no conspiracy there. Kramnik just was not in his usual form. There is a number of various reasons (and their combinations) why even the strongest masters, on occasion, play way below par. |
Fortunately for Vladimir, there is still plenty of time left before the match.
|Jul-08-08|| ||notyetagm: <brankat: There is no conspiracy there. Kramnik just was not in his usual form. There is a number of various reasons (and their combinations) why even the strongest masters, on occasion, play way below par.>|
Exactly. Kramnik still has the Tal Memorial in August to "tune up" for the Bonn match.
|Jul-08-08|| ||Kaspablanca: well, Kramnik has a dilema, either he plays another thing besides the Petrov or improve that defense if he wants to win the match.|
|Jul-08-08|| ||littlefermat: <well, Kramnik has a dilema, either he plays another thing besides the Petrov or improve that defense if he wants to win the match.>|
It'll be interesting to see what he uses against 1e4. Some of the other kibitzers have suggested that he'll play the Caro-Kahn. Makes sense, as it suits his approach to the game.
I'm definitely curious to see what will happen in Bonn. I hope it's a good match and both players are in good form.
|Jul-08-08|| ||Atking: <mckmck: Do not under estimate Kramnik.> How so much true. Every body has his up and down. And even Kramnik's haters can't be blind on that point. Up Kramnik could play at 2900 with White and 2750 with Black even against a very strong opposition. But as soon as Kramnik went down you see all Kramnik's haters (very abnormally) to point the result. Really I prefer to applaud when a player (doesn't matter who he is) plays great chess, Topalov as well as Kramnik, Morozevich or Ivanchuck as well as Anand. Still the question remains why Kramnik can't kept this level like Karpov and Kasparov did. And that's the real problem. Kramnik can play great chess and his match vs Kasparov wasn't an accident. Far from it. Nobody at time could do it. If his health is the main answer of his time by time disappointed performance as it's seems to be in the last Corus (As noted Carlsen himself) really I can't understand someone could enjoy it.|
|Jul-08-08|| ||me to play: <Every body has his up and down. And even Kramnik's haters can't be blind on that point.>
Sadly, from long experience of reading the petty and juvenile rants from some posters here, I would say that is not likely.|
|Jul-08-08|| ||Vollmer: It seems that some of you think that Kramnik isn't cunning enough to play badly here on purpose . Is this the same Kramnik that had to use the toilet room umteen times vs. Topalov . WOW thats a really bad case of <insert your favorite illness> . This caused some distress to his opponent , and while legal according to the rules , became a matter of interest to the organizers .|
|Jul-08-08|| ||Vollmer: Maybe Kramnik will surprise Anand with the wonderful 1.e4-d5 ! Wouldn't that be ironic . As a Center-Counter player I can only hope ...lol|
|Jul-08-08|| ||Marvol: <Red October: << why not now? > according to Kirsn, sponsorship issues>|
Shouldn't that be <because of> Kirsan, sponsorship issues ;)?
|Jul-08-08|| ||Jole: Perceyblankeney: You are right about how shorter matches have a greater element of chance in them. Their preperation will be important too. However, we know that both sides will be preparing heavily for this match so their won't be a huge difference regarding their opening preperation. Further, opening preparation alone is doubtful to be enough to decide the match. For example, Topalov was better prepared than Kramnik and often got an advantage out of the opening, but it wasn't Topalov that won the match. |
Personally, I think that it is more important that Kramnik's endgame is better against Anand than it was in this tournament. It is usually his strength, and will be greatly important in defending inferior games to a draw (there will be at least one time where Anand gets the advantage on Kramnik) and grinding out any positional edge he manages to gain.
Xenon Oxide: They probably don't want to do that because they want a world championship more often. Either that or its easier to sponsor the system that they have now (or FIDE is stupid).
|Jul-09-08|| ||lostemperor: Definitely Kramnik is focusing on his match with Anand like he said in NIC he did so in 2000 before his match with Kasparov. The difference is he won in the 2000 edition.|
<Vollmer: Maybe Kramnik will surprise Anand with the wonderful 1.e4-d5 ! Wouldn't that be ironic . As a Center-Counter player I can only hope ...lol> last Saturday my amateur friend in a blitz tournament, also a center-counter player was complaining that he should not play the this opening against weak players anymore. He claimed weak players do normal moves and are ok! Only against strong players he will keep playing center-counter. So there might be a chance Kramnik will play this against Anand though I don't think so since I remember Anand using it as a surprise weapon once also :-)
|Jul-09-08|| ||erebdraug: Yeah, Anand used 1...d5 against Kasparov's 1.e4 back in '95. Anand lost (I don't know if he was at a disadvantage after the opening though).|
|Jul-09-08|| ||slomarko: <erebdraug: Yeah, Anand used 1...d5 against Kasparov's 1.e4 back in '95. Anand lost (I don't know if he was at a disadvantage after the opening though).>|
he wasn't. he got a very good position after the opening but then Kasparov bluffed with a sac exchange which Anand stupidly failed to accept.
|Jul-09-08|| ||Certhas: <plang: There are two tournaments prior to Sochi:|
1) Biel (Carlsen) >
Wow, Carlsen will have to go +3 in 10 just not to lose any rating points.
|Jul-09-08|| ||Vollmer: lostemperor , perhaps your friend should read (again perhaps) Chess Middlegame Combinations by Peter Romanovsky ?|
|Jul-09-08|| ||Vollmer: slomarko , "he got a very good position after the opening but then Kasparov bluffed with a sac exchange which Anand stupidly failed to accept."|
Thats a very well said assessment .
|Jul-10-08|| ||Rolfo: <Wow, Carlsen will have to go +3 in 10 just not to lose any rating points.>|
Just like putting hay in the sack, it's getting harder the more compacted the sack is
|Jul-11-08|| ||mrjones: Vollmer: <Is this the same Kramnik that had to use the toilet room um[p]teen times vs. Topalov . WOW thats a really bad case of <insert your favorite illness> .> Ankylosing spondylitis, for instance, the serious condition from which Kramnik is known to suffer? Amongst its other symptoms is back pain. Sufferers from much less significant back conditions know how painful prolonged sitting can be. If I had AS I'd want to move around, a lot; preferably in private. I'd have thought that more than explains it.|
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