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🏆 Chess Classic Mainz (2008)

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Magnus Carlsen, Viswanathan Anand, Alexander Morozevich, Judit Polgar

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Judit Polgar vs Morozevich 0-1712008Chess Classic MainzC92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
2. Anand vs Carlsen ½-½312008Chess Classic MainzB77 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack
3. Carlsen vs Morozevich  ½-½482008Chess Classic MainzB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Anand vs Judit Polgar ½-½612008Chess Classic MainzB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
5. Judit Polgar vs Carlsen 0-1442008Chess Classic MainzB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
6. Morozevich vs Anand 0-1482008Chess Classic MainzB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
7. Morozevich vs Carlsen ½-½322008Chess Classic MainzE17 Queen's Indian
8. Anand vs Morozevich 1-0472008Chess Classic MainzC92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
9. Carlsen vs Judit Polgar ½-½332008Chess Classic MainzE10 Queen's Pawn Game
10. Judit Polgar vs Anand ½-½332008Chess Classic MainzB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
11. Morozevich vs Judit Polgar 1-0292008Chess Classic MainzE17 Queen's Indian
12. Carlsen vs Anand ½-½332008Chess Classic MainzE15 Queen's Indian
13. Anand vs Carlsen ½-½562008Chess Classic MainzB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
14. Carlsen vs Anand 0-1502008Chess Classic MainzE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
15. Anand vs Carlsen 1-0502008Chess Classic MainzB77 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack
16. Judit Polgar vs Morozevich 0-1712008Chess Classic MainzC92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
17. Morozevich vs Judit Polgar  ½-½672008Chess Classic MainzA70 Benoni, Classical with 7.Nf3
18. Judit Polgar vs Morozevich ½-½1462008Chess Classic MainzC92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
19. Morozevich vs Judit Polgar  ½-½492008Chess Classic MainzA70 Benoni, Classical with 7.Nf3
20. Carlsen vs Anand ½-½112008Chess Classic MainzE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
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Aug-03-08  you vs yourself: <Again you are asking me to quantify my impressions. I just do not have the ability to do that.> Fair enough.
Aug-03-08  frogbert: ishaan, no, i don't think so. but it's no coincidence that anand is the current world champion and world number one, kramnik the previous champion, and that the two of them will battle it out for world championship in just a short period of time. :o)

btw, carlsen has played 61 classical games so far this year, anand has played 27, kramnik has played 20. most of the players carlsen has faced, have also had much more busy schedules than anand (and kramnik), so in addition to "level", it might also have something to do with energy.

carlsen played classical games on monday, tuesday, wednesday and thursday, slept little from thursday to friday due to the weather, travelled to mainz by train, and arrived about half an hour before the first game on friday evening, etc. it might have influenced the amount of resistance he was able to put up against anand this time. so there's no reason to make hasty conclusions based on 3 rapid games (the 4th one was no game), imho. :o)

Aug-03-08  roni.chessman: <It is rapid chess, fine. Carlsen, who is on such a strong run this past 2 years and is beating many strong grandmasters convincingly, was defeated so easily by Anand.

Makes me wonder if Anand and Kramnik are on a completely different level than other 2750+ GMs.>

I wouldn't say Anand beat Carlsen "easily". Its more likely that Carlsen lost a lot of morale in the second game. Do you remember that game where Carlsen attacked and overpressed against Anand (was it Corus or Linares 2008?) while missing a key move that could've won him the game. Anand is just superb when calculating positions at blitz/rapid time controls. I bet Radjabov could match Carlsen in rapid/blitz time controls.

<Also,> I always wonder why Kramnik is regarded so high. I'll give Kramnik the credit that he is possibly one of the greatest match players in history. His extreme patience and solid defense is similar to "watching paint dry" for his opponents.

But in all honesty, Kramnik is just an above-average tournament player in the 2700 field. Compared to Karpov, whose playing style is very similar, Kramnik's record in comparison without a doubt along lines of sucking.

Aug-03-08  frogbert: <Anand is just superb when calculating positions at blitz/rapid time controls.>

therefore it was a bit strange that he missed the best continuation after the spectacular nh6+!! against moro - he even thought for several minutes after kh8 nxf7+ kg8 had been played, but still only came up with ne4?! ...

i mean, the lines after bxh7+! was very, very forcing, so what might he have missed? the qb3-f7 manouver? it's strange if he didn't consider bxh7, so i think he must have had a look on that (totally crushing) move.

Aug-03-08  gazzawhite: <SetNoEscapeOn: Anand is the best rapid player in the world; we knew that already. And Carlsen was able to reach the final despite his wild playing schedule, so it's not a failure for him. He has finished no worse than 2nd this entire year!>

Didn't he just come 3rd in Biel, less than a week ago?

Aug-03-08  SetNoEscapeOn: Two players finished ahead of him, tied for first. He made the second best score. But yes, by convention he was third.
Aug-04-08  dramas79: <Annie K> Read your post in the City of Moscow. Keep up the good work!
Aug-04-08  myschkin: . . .
http://www.chesstigers.de/ccm8_inde...
Aug-04-08
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  siamesedream: Read and help:

http://www.chessdom.com/dusan-popovic

Aug-04-08  Atking: <btw, carlsen has played 61 classical games so far this year, anand has played 27, kramnik has played 20. most of the players carlsen has faced, have also had much more busy schedules than anand (and kramnik), so in addition to "level", it might also have something to do with energy.> Indeed frogbert you agree that Carlsen is playing too much and should take a break.

Aug-04-08  Pawnsgambit: Here is video if any one is interested

http://ishare.rediff.com/filevideo-...

Aug-04-08
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  ketchuplover: I thought Anand beat Carlsen twice.
Aug-04-08  yalie: thanks <pawnsgambit>

I wonder when cg.com is going to update the games.

Aug-04-08
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  Bobsterman3000: Wow, Vishy looking a little chubby in that video. He's put on a few pounds.

Aug-04-08
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  alexmagnus: <Carlsen is playing too much and should take a break> Didn't he play even more than that in 2007?
Aug-04-08
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  parmetd: why are people saying anand beat carlsen twice when he DREW him twice? Anand beat moro twice...
Aug-04-08  you vs yourself: <parmetd: why are people saying anand beat carlsen twice when he DREW him twice? Anand beat moro twice...> Anand and Carlsen played in the final where Vishy won twice. Those games are not uploaded in chessgames.com yet. You can see those games on chessbase though
Aug-04-08
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  tamar: A confidence builder for Anand. He never looked in danger, and gave away very little preparation.

To me he looks more and more like the winner of the upcoming WC.

Aug-04-08
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  Bobsterman3000: Carlsen has the rest of his life to take it easy. He should get as much top quality competition as he can right now, while the gettin' is good, since most youths his age don't get the great tourney invites that he is lucky enough to enjoy.

When (and if) he reaches #1 in the World then he can take a more relaxed approach and choose his schedule much more carefully....

Aug-05-08  s4life: <frogbert: <Anand is just superb when calculating positions at blitz/rapid time controls.>

therefore it was a bit strange that he missed the best>

What is so strange about it? Anand is human and as such will make mistakes from time to time, for reasons other than his superb calculating capabilities.

Seriously, It 'feels' as if you are not being too fair in your opinions of players who are competing - and beating - Carlsen during tournaments, as few as they may be. I might be wrong about this, but I don't think I am the first one who noticed this pattern in your behavior.

Aug-05-08  drnooo: What is all this nonsense about chess sight at this chess site. Wow. Since when did rapid chess have anything to do with the slow stuff. They are two different games. One of the best blitz players in history was Rueben Fine, others Tal, Petrosian, etc, and even Korchnoi drew even with Fischer at the big blitz tourney he won. Trying to quantify Anands ability over any of these guys is laughable. Capa, yes, he was in a league of his own, but notice Alekhine beat him in the slow stuff. Not that Alekhine was the better player, nope, but just that had it been blitz, adios Alex. And as for clear purposeful chess sight, my lord, look at Tals blitz. Nightmarish complications, even there, pure rolling the dice, a feast for analysis, and my own money would have been on Tal in his prime against Anand. As for Carlsen, it may even be good that he is not absolute tops at rapid. Botvinnik cautioned Kasparov not be go for the first move he saw, and perhaps Kaspy did not have the so called chess sight for rapid, or want it. In short this kind of tourney means nothing in the upcoming slow battles with Carlsen and Anand. In fact of them all, if you ask me, Krammnik still possesses the best so called chess sight of anybody on the planet today. A healthy Krammnik, that is.
Aug-06-08
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  Sokrates: Undoubtedly Kramnik is a very strong player, and I don't think his style of play can be critisized. When needed he can play with great verve and fantasy and occasionally he is willing to take risks. What I strongly dislike about Kramnik is his personality, the arrogance which he quite often has exposed in interviews. His recensions about Kasparov (even shortly after defeating him) have been no less than outrageous. In chess history Kasparov will be the genius, the Aladdin - Kramnik will be the accountant. Further, when the noble and humble Anand won the world championship in a fair fight with the elite, Kramnik was too little to acknowledge than fully, claiming he had never lost a match as WC. But his whole access to the fight with Kasparov was dubious to say the least (poor Shirov), and afterwards he wouldn't meet Kasparov in a return match. And Kramnik's tournament results being a champ have certainly be much less than convincing or championlike. S

So in conclusion: Kramnik - a very strong chess-player, but also a person with a very small caliber.

Aug-07-08  ajile: Didn't Aronian win the Chess960 title.
If you ask me this shows the best over the board skills in chess. NO prior analysis to go on. Just pure in-the-moment chess sight.
Aug-08-08  crazy monk: <Kramnik - a very strong chess-player, but also a person with a very small caliber.> Wow, he allowed you to measure his "caliber"? interesting.
Aug-15-08  hamham: <ajile>
It shows best OTB skills in chess, but preperation and other stuff are a huge part of chess too.
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