page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  Game   Result Moves Year Event/Locale Opening 1. Kramnik vs Shirov 1-0 46 2008 Tal Memorial D47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav 2. Morozevich vs E Alekseev 1-0 40 2008 Tal Memorial A45 Queen's Pawn Game 3. Leko vs Mamedyarov ½-½ 29 2008 Tal Memorial B90 Sicilian, Najdorf 4. Ivanchuk vs Kamsky 1-0 36 2008 Tal Memorial D92 Grunfeld, 5.Bf4 5. Ponomariov vs Gelfand ½-½ 43 2008 Tal Memorial C42 Petrov Defense 6. Shirov vs Kamsky 0-1 45 2008 Tal Memorial D15 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav 7. Mamedyarov vs Morozevich ½-½ 31 2008 Tal Memorial D85 Grunfeld 8. E Alekseev vs Ponomariov ½-½ 20 2008 Tal Memorial D38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation 9. Kramnik vs Leko ½-½ 28 2008 Tal Memorial E15 Queen's Indian 10. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk ½-½ 36 2008 Tal Memorial A30 English, Symmetrical 11. Leko vs Shirov 1-0 45 2008 Tal Memorial B90 Sicilian, Najdorf 12. Ponomariov vs Mamedyarov ½-½ 87 2008 Tal Memorial A33 English, Symmetrical 13. Morozevich vs Kramnik 1-0 31 2008 Tal Memorial D45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav 14. Ivanchuk vs E Alekseev ½-½ 23 2008 Tal Memorial C42 Petrov Defense 15. Kamsky vs Gelfand ½-½ 61 2008 Tal Memorial C43 Petrov, Modern Attack 16. Kramnik vs Ponomariov ½-½ 35 2008 Tal Memorial E32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical 17. Mamedyarov vs Ivanchuk ½-½ 48 2008 Tal Memorial D10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav 18. Shirov vs Gelfand ½-½ 29 2008 Tal Memorial C43 Petrov, Modern Attack 19. E Alekseev vs Kamsky ½-½ 76 2008 Tal Memorial D81 Grunfeld, Russian Variation 20. Leko vs Morozevich ½-½ 40 2008 Tal Memorial C69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation, 6.d4 21. Kamsky vs Mamedyarov 0-1 40 2008 Tal Memorial B46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation 22. Ponomariov vs Leko 1-0 41 2008 Tal Memorial C89 Ruy Lopez, Marshall 23. Gelfand vs E Alekseev ½-½ 52 2008 Tal Memorial E00 Queen's Pawn Game 24. Morozevich vs Shirov ½-½ 44 2008 Tal Memorial B33 Sicilian 25. Ivanchuk vs Kramnik ½-½ 28 2008 Tal Memorial C42 Petrov Defense  page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45    REFINE SEARCH:   White wins (1-0) | Black wins (0-1) | Draws (1/2-1/2)

< Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 51 OF 103 ·  Later Kibitzing> Aug-22-08    malthrope: <arkansaw: oh my god, am I gonna lose some chess$ simply because Alekseev suxxor at endgames?!> That's a shame <arkansaw> - I thought you had that one in the bag... ;) Sometimes even <SUPER GM's> just blunder... :( Aug-22-08    Red October: <acirce> amzing that despite most engines being awful at endgames, all needing an opening book and for many some middle game ideas are out of it's horizon.... yet...... :) Aug-22-08    Veryrusty: <acirce: It seems like a draw still after 46.f3 h5 47.Nf2 Ke5.> I don't think it's a draw in that line, because Nh3 and Ng5 and White has an unassailable fortress around his two Pawns. Eventually his King gets in and eats Black's Pawns, curtains. Aug-22-08    arkansaw: how about 47...g5 to trade off the f pawns? Aug-22-08    arkansaw: phew...back at +1.25. There's seriously something wrong with R3 when it comes to endgames Aug-22-08    acirce: <<acirce: It seems like a draw still after 46.f3 h5 47.Nf2 Ke5.> I don't think it's a draw in that line, because Nh3 and Ng5 and White has an unassailable fortress around his two Pawns. Eventually his King gets in and eats Black's Pawns, curtains.> 48.Nh3 Kd4 49.Ng5 Ke3, ..Kf2 ..Kg3 White's king is too far away. Aug-22-08    Rottamo: They should use 5 men tablebases in chessok!!!!!!!! Aug-22-08    Softpaw: <notyetagm: I am from the School Of Fighting Chess > Some players think fighting to win WC matches is the highest form of Fighting Chess... others for some reason think fighting to win with Black in all circumstances is the highest form... Go figure. Aug-22-08    arkansaw: Then Topalov must surely be the greatest - he fights to win matches in all circumstances Aug-22-08    Veryrusty: <acirce: 48.Nh3 Kd4 49.Ng5 Ke3, ..Kf2 ..Kg3 White's king is too far away.> Yep, that looks right. Draw. Aug-22-08    zluria: It's a clear draw. Good game by both players. Basically, it's because the Black King and 3 pawns are stronger than the White knight and 2 pawns. I wonder how long ago Alekseev foresaw that this position would be a draw. Aug-22-08    malthrope: Right <acirce> - must be that endgame bug again... If you can't trust Rybka who can you trust? ~lol~ Aug-22-08    acirce: <notyetagm> has been a devout Kramnik basher for years. I remember when he was asked why he was always singling out Kramnik specifically for "non-fighting", when there were so many others no less deserving, he used to say it was because he was (or "called himself") the World Champion. Evidently, he has forgotten that Anand has the title since September last year. Aug-22-08    zarg: <alexmagnus: That would be a good result if Kramnik at least sometimes <won> against <any> opponent with Black.> In rapid this year, Kramnik do have multiple wins with black (ref. Navara and Leko). Aug-22-08    arkansaw: hmm...I made a token sum of c$35 tonight :P Aug-22-08    Softpaw: <arkansaw: Then Topalov must surely be the greatest - he fights to win matches in all circumstances...> No, the greastest FIGHT and WIN WC matches, Topalov fights... and loses. Aug-22-08    Red October: I read that Petrosyan was also accused of wimping out... shame though... the best are often misunderstood Aug-22-08    Once: <Mateo> But if you try sometime, you might just find, you get what you need. Aug-22-08    AgentRgent: <Red October: I read that Petrosyan was also accused of wimping out... shame though... the best are often misunderstood> Petrosian has only really come into his proper recognition in the last 5-10 yrs. I wonder that a full appreciation of Kramnik's reign (whenever it fully ends) might not have to wait for a similar passage of time. Aug-22-08    arkansaw: Kramnik never quite had a reign unlike Anand and Kasparov, it's all about ratings Aug-22-08    visayanbraindoctor: I'm late for the live games. Are there games tomorrow, or is it a rest day? Aug-22-08    Peligroso Patzer: <visayanbraindoctor: I'm late for the live games. Are there games tomorrow, or is it a rest day?> According to the schedule I have seen, Saturday is a rest day. Round 6 is on Sunday. Aug-22-08    chancho: <visayanbraindoctor> No games tomorrow. Play resumes on Sunday. Aug-22-08    visayanbraindoctor: <Peligroso Patzer, chancho> Thank you. Aug-22-08    notyetagm: <Softpaw: <notyetagm: I am from the School Of Fighting Chess > Some players think fighting to win WC matches is the highest form of Fighting Chess...> You should not be in a WC match if you cannot win a Candidates Tournament or beat the other top GMs, which is why I find the comparison of Petrosian (+9 in 26 games at Curacao 1962) and Kramnik so inappropriate. Petrosian beat the other top GMs at Cuaracao (Fischer, Geller, Benko, Korchnoi, etc.) to earn the right to face Botvinnik in 1963 while Kramnik has never made a similar accomplishment. Jump to page #    (enter # from 1 to 103) < Earlier Kibitzing  · PAGE 51 OF 103 ·  Later Kibitzing>

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