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Tal Memorial Tournament

Vassily Ivanchuk6/9(+3 -0 =6)[view games]
Boris Gelfand5/9(+1 -0 =8)[view games]
Vladimir Kramnik5/9(+2 -1 =6)[view games]
Ruslan Ponomariov5/9(+2 -1 =6)[view games]
Alexander Morozevich5/9(+3 -2 =4)[view games]
Peter Leko4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[view games]
Evgeny Alekseev4/9(+1 -2 =6)[view games]
Gata Kamsky4/9(+2 -3 =4)[view games]
Shakhriyar Mamedyarov3.5/9(+1 -3 =5)[view games]
Alexey Shirov3/9(+1 -4 =4)[view games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Shirov 1-046 2008 Tal MemorialD47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
2. Morozevich vs E Alekseev 1-040 2008 Tal MemorialA45 Queen's Pawn Game
3. Leko vs Mamedyarov ½-½29 2008 Tal MemorialB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
4. Ivanchuk vs Kamsky 1-036 2008 Tal MemorialD92 Grunfeld, 5.Bf4
5. Ponomariov vs Gelfand ½-½43 2008 Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
6. Shirov vs Kamsky 0-145 2008 Tal MemorialD15 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
7. Mamedyarov vs Morozevich ½-½31 2008 Tal MemorialD85 Grunfeld
8. E Alekseev vs Ponomariov ½-½20 2008 Tal MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
9. Kramnik vs Leko ½-½28 2008 Tal MemorialE15 Queen's Indian
10. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk ½-½36 2008 Tal MemorialA30 English, Symmetrical
11. Leko vs Shirov 1-045 2008 Tal MemorialB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
12. Ponomariov vs Mamedyarov ½-½87 2008 Tal MemorialA33 English, Symmetrical
13. Morozevich vs Kramnik 1-031 2008 Tal MemorialD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
14. Ivanchuk vs E Alekseev ½-½23 2008 Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
15. Kamsky vs Gelfand ½-½61 2008 Tal MemorialC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
16. Kramnik vs Ponomariov ½-½35 2008 Tal MemorialE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
17. Mamedyarov vs Ivanchuk ½-½48 2008 Tal MemorialD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
18. Shirov vs Gelfand ½-½29 2008 Tal MemorialC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
19. E Alekseev vs Kamsky ½-½76 2008 Tal MemorialD81 Grunfeld, Russian Variation
20. Leko vs Morozevich ½-½40 2008 Tal MemorialC69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation, 6.d4
21. Kamsky vs Mamedyarov 0-140 2008 Tal MemorialB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
22. Ponomariov vs Leko 1-041 2008 Tal MemorialC89 Ruy Lopez, Marshall
23. Gelfand vs E Alekseev ½-½52 2008 Tal MemorialE00 Queen's Pawn Game
24. Morozevich vs Shirov ½-½44 2008 Tal MemorialB33 Sicilian
25. Ivanchuk vs Kramnik ½-½28 2008 Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
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Aug-22-08  malthrope: <arkansaw: oh my god, am I gonna lose some chess$ simply because Alekseev suxxor at endgames?!>

That's a shame <arkansaw> - I thought you had that one in the bag... ;) Sometimes even <SUPER GM's> just blunder... :(

Aug-22-08  Red October: <acirce> amzing that despite most engines being awful at endgames, all needing an opening book and for many some middle game ideas are out of it's horizon.... yet...... :)
Aug-22-08  Veryrusty: <acirce: It seems like a draw still after 46.f3 h5 47.Nf2 Ke5.> I don't think it's a draw in that line, because Nh3 and Ng5 and White has an unassailable fortress around his two Pawns. Eventually his King gets in and eats Black's Pawns, curtains.
Aug-22-08  arkansaw: how about 47...g5 to trade off the f pawns?
Aug-22-08  arkansaw: phew...back at +1.25. There's seriously something wrong with R3 when it comes to endgames
Aug-22-08
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  acirce: <<acirce: It seems like a draw still after 46.f3 h5 47.Nf2 Ke5.> I don't think it's a draw in that line, because Nh3 and Ng5 and White has an unassailable fortress around his two Pawns. Eventually his King gets in and eats Black's Pawns, curtains.>

48.Nh3 Kd4 49.Ng5 Ke3, ..Kf2 ..Kg3

White's king is too far away.

Aug-22-08  Rottamo: They should use 5 men tablebases in chessok!!!!!!!!
Aug-22-08
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  Softpaw: <notyetagm: I am from the School Of Fighting Chess >

Some players think fighting to win WC matches is the highest form of Fighting Chess... others for some reason think fighting to win with Black in all circumstances is the highest form...

Go figure.

Aug-22-08  arkansaw: Then Topalov must surely be the greatest - he fights to win matches in all circumstances
Aug-22-08  Veryrusty: <acirce: 48.Nh3 Kd4 49.Ng5 Ke3, ..Kf2 ..Kg3 White's king is too far away.> Yep, that looks right. Draw.
Aug-22-08  zluria: It's a clear draw. Good game by both players. Basically, it's because the Black King and 3 pawns are stronger than the White knight and 2 pawns. I wonder how long ago Alekseev foresaw that this position would be a draw.
Aug-22-08  malthrope: Right <acirce> - must be that endgame bug again... If you can't trust Rybka who can you trust? ~lol~
Aug-22-08
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  acirce: <notyetagm> has been a devout Kramnik basher for years. I remember when he was asked why he was always singling out Kramnik specifically for "non-fighting", when there were so many others no less deserving, he used to say it was because he was (or "called himself") the World Champion. Evidently, he has forgotten that Anand has the title since September last year.
Aug-22-08  zarg: <alexmagnus: That would be a good result if Kramnik at least sometimes <won> against <any> opponent with Black.>

In rapid this year, Kramnik do have multiple wins with black (ref. Navara and Leko).

Aug-22-08  arkansaw: hmm...I made a token sum of c$35 tonight :P
Aug-22-08
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  Softpaw: <arkansaw: Then Topalov must surely be the greatest - he fights to win matches in all circumstances...>

No, the greastest FIGHT and WIN WC matches, Topalov fights... and loses.

Aug-22-08  Red October: I read that Petrosyan was also accused of wimping out... shame though... the best are often misunderstood
Aug-22-08
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  Once: <Mateo> But if you try sometime, you might just find, you get what you need.
Aug-22-08
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  AgentRgent: <Red October: I read that Petrosyan was also accused of wimping out... shame though... the best are often misunderstood> Petrosian has only really come into his proper recognition in the last 5-10 yrs. I wonder that a full appreciation of Kramnik's reign (whenever it fully ends) might not have to wait for a similar passage of time.
Aug-22-08  arkansaw: Kramnik never quite had a reign unlike Anand and Kasparov, it's all about ratings
Aug-22-08  visayanbraindoctor: I'm late for the live games. Are there games tomorrow, or is it a rest day?
Aug-22-08
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  Peligroso Patzer: <visayanbraindoctor: I'm late for the live games. Are there games tomorrow, or is it a rest day?>

According to the schedule I have seen, Saturday is a rest day. Round 6 is on Sunday.

Aug-22-08
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  chancho: <visayanbraindoctor> No games tomorrow. Play resumes on Sunday.
Aug-22-08  visayanbraindoctor: <Peligroso Patzer, chancho> Thank you.
Aug-22-08
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  notyetagm: <Softpaw: <notyetagm: I am from the School Of Fighting Chess > Some players think fighting to win WC matches is the highest form of Fighting Chess...>

You should not be in a WC match if you cannot win a Candidates Tournament or beat the other top GMs, which is why I find the comparison of Petrosian (+9 in 26 games at Curacao 1962) and Kramnik so inappropriate.

Petrosian beat the other top GMs at Cuaracao (Fischer, Geller, Benko, Korchnoi, etc.) to earn the right to face Botvinnik in 1963 while Kramnik has never made a similar accomplishment.

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