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Tal Memorial Tournament

Vassily Ivanchuk6/9(+3 -0 =6)[games]
Ruslan Ponomariov5/9(+2 -1 =6)[games]
Alexander Morozevich5/9(+3 -2 =4)[games]
Boris Gelfand5/9(+1 -0 =8)[games]
Vladimir Kramnik5/9(+2 -1 =6)[games]
Peter Leko4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[games]
Evgeny Alekseev4/9(+1 -2 =6)[games]
Gata Kamsky4/9(+2 -3 =4)[games]
Shakhriyar Mamedyarov3.5/9(+1 -3 =5)[games]
Alexey Shirov3/9(+1 -4 =4)[games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Shirov 1-0462008Tal MemorialD47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
2. Morozevich vs E Alekseev 1-0402008Tal MemorialA45 Queen's Pawn Game
3. Leko vs Mamedyarov ½-½292008Tal MemorialB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
4. Ivanchuk vs Kamsky 1-0362008Tal MemorialD92 Grunfeld, 5.Bf4
5. Ponomariov vs Gelfand ½-½432008Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
6. Shirov vs Kamsky 0-1452008Tal MemorialD15 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
7. Mamedyarov vs Morozevich ½-½312008Tal MemorialD85 Grunfeld
8. E Alekseev vs Ponomariov ½-½202008Tal MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
9. Kramnik vs Leko ½-½282008Tal MemorialE15 Queen's Indian
10. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk ½-½362008Tal MemorialA30 English, Symmetrical
11. Leko vs Shirov 1-0452008Tal MemorialB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
12. Ponomariov vs Mamedyarov ½-½872008Tal MemorialA33 English, Symmetrical
13. Morozevich vs Kramnik 1-0312008Tal MemorialD45 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
14. Ivanchuk vs E Alekseev ½-½232008Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
15. Kamsky vs Gelfand ½-½612008Tal MemorialC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
16. Kramnik vs Ponomariov ½-½352008Tal MemorialE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
17. Mamedyarov vs Ivanchuk ½-½482008Tal MemorialD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
18. Shirov vs Gelfand ½-½292008Tal MemorialC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
19. E Alekseev vs Kamsky ½-½762008Tal MemorialD81 Grunfeld, Russian Variation
20. Leko vs Morozevich ½-½402008Tal MemorialC69 Ruy Lopez, Exchange, Gligoric Variation
21. Kamsky vs Mamedyarov 0-1402008Tal MemorialB46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
22. Ponomariov vs Leko 1-0412008Tal MemorialC89 Ruy Lopez, Marshall
23. Gelfand vs E Alekseev ½-½522008Tal MemorialE00 Queen's Pawn Game
24. Morozevich vs Shirov ½-½442008Tal MemorialB33 Sicilian
25. Ivanchuk vs Kramnik ½-½282008Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
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Aug-22-08  malthrope: <arkansaw: oh my god, am I gonna lose some chess$ simply because Alekseev suxxor at endgames?!>

That's a shame <arkansaw> - I thought you had that one in the bag... ;) Sometimes even <SUPER GM's> just blunder... :(

Aug-22-08  Red October: <acirce> amzing that despite most engines being awful at endgames, all needing an opening book and for many some middle game ideas are out of it's horizon.... yet...... :)
Aug-22-08  Veryrusty: <acirce: It seems like a draw still after 46.f3 h5 47.Nf2 Ke5.> I don't think it's a draw in that line, because Nh3 and Ng5 and White has an unassailable fortress around his two Pawns. Eventually his King gets in and eats Black's Pawns, curtains.
Aug-22-08  arkansaw: how about 47...g5 to trade off the f pawns?
Aug-22-08  arkansaw: phew...back at +1.25. There's seriously something wrong with R3 when it comes to endgames
Aug-22-08
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  acirce: <<acirce: It seems like a draw still after 46.f3 h5 47.Nf2 Ke5.> I don't think it's a draw in that line, because Nh3 and Ng5 and White has an unassailable fortress around his two Pawns. Eventually his King gets in and eats Black's Pawns, curtains.>

48.Nh3 Kd4 49.Ng5 Ke3, ..Kf2 ..Kg3

White's king is too far away.

Aug-22-08  Rottamo: They should use 5 men tablebases in chessok!!!!!!!!
Aug-22-08
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  Softpaw: <notyetagm: I am from the School Of Fighting Chess >

Some players think fighting to win WC matches is the highest form of Fighting Chess... others for some reason think fighting to win with Black in all circumstances is the highest form...

Go figure.

Aug-22-08  arkansaw: Then Topalov must surely be the greatest - he fights to win matches in all circumstances
Aug-22-08  Veryrusty: <acirce: 48.Nh3 Kd4 49.Ng5 Ke3, ..Kf2 ..Kg3 White's king is too far away.> Yep, that looks right. Draw.
Aug-22-08  zluria: It's a clear draw. Good game by both players. Basically, it's because the Black King and 3 pawns are stronger than the White knight and 2 pawns. I wonder how long ago Alekseev foresaw that this position would be a draw.
Aug-22-08  malthrope: Right <acirce> - must be that endgame bug again... If you can't trust Rybka who can you trust? ~lol~
Aug-22-08
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  acirce: <notyetagm> has been a devout Kramnik basher for years. I remember when he was asked why he was always singling out Kramnik specifically for "non-fighting", when there were so many others no less deserving, he used to say it was because he was (or "called himself") the World Champion. Evidently, he has forgotten that Anand has the title since September last year.
Aug-22-08  zarg: <alexmagnus: That would be a good result if Kramnik at least sometimes <won> against <any> opponent with Black.>

In rapid this year, Kramnik do have multiple wins with black (ref. Navara and Leko).

Aug-22-08  arkansaw: hmm...I made a token sum of c$35 tonight :P
Aug-22-08
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  Softpaw: <arkansaw: Then Topalov must surely be the greatest - he fights to win matches in all circumstances...>

No, the greastest FIGHT and WIN WC matches, Topalov fights... and loses.

Aug-22-08  Red October: I read that Petrosyan was also accused of wimping out... shame though... the best are often misunderstood
Aug-22-08
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  Once: <Mateo> But if you try sometime, you might just find, you get what you need.
Aug-22-08  AgentRgent: <Red October: I read that Petrosyan was also accused of wimping out... shame though... the best are often misunderstood> Petrosian has only really come into his proper recognition in the last 5-10 yrs. I wonder that a full appreciation of Kramnik's reign (whenever it fully ends) might not have to wait for a similar passage of time.
Aug-22-08  arkansaw: Kramnik never quite had a reign unlike Anand and Kasparov, it's all about ratings
Aug-22-08
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  visayanbraindoctor: I'm late for the live games. Are there games tomorrow, or is it a rest day?
Aug-22-08
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  Peligroso Patzer: <visayanbraindoctor: I'm late for the live games. Are there games tomorrow, or is it a rest day?>

According to the schedule I have seen, Saturday is a rest day. Round 6 is on Sunday.

Aug-22-08
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  chancho: <visayanbraindoctor> No games tomorrow. Play resumes on Sunday.
Aug-22-08
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  visayanbraindoctor: <Peligroso Patzer, chancho> Thank you.
Aug-22-08
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  notyetagm: <Softpaw: <notyetagm: I am from the School Of Fighting Chess > Some players think fighting to win WC matches is the highest form of Fighting Chess...>

You should not be in a WC match if you cannot win a Candidates Tournament or beat the other top GMs, which is why I find the comparison of Petrosian (+9 in 26 games at Curacao 1962) and Kramnik so inappropriate.

Petrosian beat the other top GMs at Cuaracao (Fischer, Geller, Benko, Korchnoi, etc.) to earn the right to face Botvinnik in 1963 while Kramnik has never made a similar accomplishment.

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