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|Apr-09-09|| ||parisattack: <Bobsterman3000: The "Barcza opening" is when white plays 1. nf3 2. g3 3. Bg2 and 4. 0-0 with the specific goal of making black play his "own moves" rather than rely on common theory. Obviously, the opening can transpose into many other named openings.>|
What's in a name? Barcza, Benko, King's Indian Attack. I suppose Benko is just 1. g3? I think Barcza originally used it as a delayed Reti.
In MCO 10, Larry Evans says this: " The Barcza System, a son of the Reti, carries the idea of non-committal moves a step further. White mobilizes his entire King's side with N-KB3, P-KN3, B-N2, 0-0 before he touches a center pawn. Black has a vaiety of systems but as soon as he shows his hand White transposes into the most favorable opening available. A subjective yet subtle system"
When I played this for a couple of years I most often got a French setup from Black - ....d5, ....e6, ...Nf6, .... c5, .... Nc6 which makes is all a King's Indian Attack. White gets a nice attack unless Black plays aggressively on the Queen side.
|Apr-09-09|| ||acirce: Yeah Benko is 1.g3. Never heard about the Barcza opening but I guess Bobsterman is right.|
|Apr-10-09|| ||NyP: The so-called Barcza Memorial
I'm really sad about this tournament. Gedeon Barcza was one of the greatest personalities of chess. He played in seven Olimpic games and also was a great teacher of chess - and a real gentleman.
And now from the homepage of the Hungarian Chess Federation:
"The Hungarian Chess Federation announces that it has never approved, supported, promoted any so-called Barcza Memorial tournament or provided any financial support for such a tournament to its organizer Gabor Pali. ... the Presidential Board of the Hungarian Chess Federation ordered yesterday a full-scale investigation of the situation and decided to take all the appropriate measures against Gabor Pali, possibly including a police information action"
"The Barcza Gedeon chess club dernounces Pali's action and declares it as a private effort of a cheater"
|Apr-10-09|| ||Katu: I'm sorry to say that, but it's typical Hungarian organizing stuff.|
p.s. I'm Hungarian.
|Apr-10-09|| ||Eyal: Ris and Postny about what happened there: http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/b...|
The following passage seems to provide a good impression of Gabor Pali's "organizational" skills:
<After all what happened, it was decided to put up a list with all expenses the players made and forced Pali to sign himself. As he couldn't escape he signed of course, and promised me he would pay me in the morning at the airport. At 07.45 AM I met him together with GMs Gopal and Rozentalis. Pali told me he transferred the money to my account, which was absolutely impossible, since the banks are closed until 8 AM.
I asked him to pay me cash, so we went to the local currency office. His willingness to pay me cash is already enough proof that he did not send the money to my bank account! Coming there he explained that he didn't have his card with him, so he couldn't pay me cash.>
|Apr-10-09|| ||Granny O Doul: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5 where White plays 3.d5 is sometimes called the "Larsen-Barcza defense", or maybe the "Barcza-Larsen".|
|Apr-10-09|| ||timhortons: http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/200...|
<Tournament being cancelled is absolutely a pity, but what about the expenses all the players made? For me personally it means that I lost around 1000 euro's for playing only 1 game. Most of the other players only lost their flight ticket and some starting fee. During the first 2 days GMs Almasi and Sokolov asked many times Mr. Pali to pay their starting fee, but every time he found a bad excuse to delay the payment.>
|Apr-10-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: It figures! I finally get the first kibitz in, and it turns out to be a garbage tournament!|
Next time, they should call it the Lajos Portisch Memorial! :)
|Apr-10-09|| ||timhortons: I cant believe this thing happens.|
|Apr-10-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: Why can't we have a tournament like this in the US? After all, we also have dead chess players!|
Next year, let's have the Sammy Reshevsky Memorial right here in Las Vegas! Who's with me?
|Apr-10-09|| ||Oliphaunt: Bobby Fischer memorial maybe.|
|Apr-10-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: <Oliphaunt> Sorry, no whacko Anti-Semites allowed! :)|
|Apr-11-09|| ||Wild Bill: Pali obviously isn't as smart as a Wall Street crook. If he was to do this sort of thing, he shouldn't do it where a tangible product, in this case a chess tournament, would have to be delivered so soon. Rather, he would have to organize one chess tournament and a short time later a second one. After he gets the money from both tournaments, he cancels the first one and pays the players back with the money from the second. He then organizes a third event, takes the money, cancels the second event and pays those players back with the money from third. And he keeps this up for years, organizing and canceling tournaments, never actually producing anything. Meanwhile, the money from the first canceled event is drawing interest at a high rate of return.|
Then turns out that he invested his money with Bernie Madoff, who was doing the same thing on a larger scale and with "esoteric financial instruments." Because no one expects a return for a period of time and because no one really understands what it is that he's bought when he lays money down for a derivative, an esoteric financial instrument is better designed for use in a Ponzi scheme than a sporting event.
Well, that would be justice, wouldn't it?
|Apr-11-09|| ||virginmind: yeah, a bobby fischer memorial would really be a good idea in the usa, i would even say a must, but what would say the american government: hey, this guy owned us a lot of money and he also defied us a lot! we cannot tollerate a tournament bearing his name in the u.s.!
any americans here think this might be an impediment? or simply the lack of sponsors?|
|Apr-11-09|| ||kramputz: <Dredge Rivers: <Oliphaunt> Sorry, no whacko Anti-Semites allowed! :)> "Anti-Semite" is a misnomer. It should be called "Anti-Jew". All the Arab people are Semites. Fischer even said he had nothing against the Arabs.|
|Apr-12-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: <virginmind> No, I think the problem with having a Bobby Fischer Memorial in the US is that he was a coward and a traitor!|
Just a wild guess.
|Apr-13-09|| ||tud: Bobby Fisher was not a coward. He would probably be close to what we call a traitor if he was not nuts, before and after 1972. And he will have a tournament one day, with his name, but not too soon.|
|Apr-17-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: <tud> Fischer most certainly WAS a coward. He chickened out in 1975 and refused to face Karpov. What else would you call him?|
|Apr-17-09|| ||Raisin Death Ray: So, will Papp and Sokolov have a tiebreaker?|
|Apr-23-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: <tud> If Iceland wants to hold a tournament for Fischer, fine. After all, he never betrayed THEM! But, he did betray the USA, and by so doing ceased to be an American.|
|May-06-09|| ||Riverbeast: <Dredge Rivers> Get a clue|
The US government betrayed Fischer long before he betrayed the US
|May-25-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: <Riverbeast> As I stated earlier, Fischer betrayed his country in 1975 when he chickened out of his match with Karpov. What exactly did the US Goverment do to "betray" him before then?|
No, dude, YOU get a clue!
|May-25-09|| ||Eisenheim: Brilliance is often one step from madness and Fischer crossed the line. Over the board his prowess were spectacular, but when he snapped his fanatiscisms denegrate his legacy as a persona but they dont subtract from his OTB splendor|
|Jun-01-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: And another thing, <Riverbeast>! The US government NEVER "betrayed" Fischer at all! He BROKE THE LAW by playing in Yugoslavia in 1992. How is it "betrayal" on the part of the govt to try to punish him for that? Not to mention he praised the 9/11 attacks! There's a word for that: TRAITOR!|
|Jun-01-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: I'd like to partially retract my last post. I realize it was way too harsh. If I offended <Riverbeast>, I apologize.|
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