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|Apr-12-09|| ||17.Bxg7: Besides that ridiculous playoff (why they didn't use tiebreak criteria, after all, Shulman beat Sadvakasov in their game during the tournament) ... I didn't understood the score in the game of Van Wely vs Sammour Hasbun. |
I was following in the official site and it showed White (Van Wely) was very short on time (less than one minute), white Black has a lot of time instead (almost an hour). Besides, the final position is slightly better for white, but not winning (at least in a clear way), so ... why it appeared than Van Wely won the game?
Were the clocks right? Did suddenly Sammour said to Van Wely: "I don't want to make you lose rating points, so lets imagine you won"? Or did suddenly Van Wely announced "this is theoretically won, there is a forced mate in 187 moves"? :)
I will be grateful if someone present in the open can clarify that situation.
|Apr-13-09|| ||PhilFeeley: Anybody know why Nakamura withdrew?|
|Apr-13-09|| ||dumbgai: Ah yes, American chess - where everyone who loses the first round simply withdraws thus killing their opponent's tiebreak score. Or re-enters. *yawn*|
|Apr-13-09|| ||blacksburg: armageddon games are stupid. they should arm-wrestle instead, less dumb luck involved.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||timhortons: shulman and sadvakasov draw in the playoff.
|Apr-13-09|| ||MaxxLange: Mig's site says that Hess achieved his third GM norm and is the USA's newest GM|
|Apr-13-09|| ||parmetd: This armegeddon game is even more stupid because Shulman beat Sadvakasov in their individual game. This should be the first tiebreak before any blitz/armegeddon garabage is considered.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||Eyal: <shulman and sadvakasov draw in the playoff. |
That <was> the armageddon. Shulman chose White and didn't manage to win, so Sadvakasov won the tie-break (see http://www.foxwoodsopen.com/).
|Apr-13-09|| ||parmetd: dumbgai since tiebreak scores aren't ever used in armerican swisses no one cares if your former opponents leave or reenter. If you knew anything about American chess at all you would know this.|
Also he didn't withdraw in round1 he and about 30 other players withdrew in round 7 and 8 (which makes no sense cause many of them were still up for prizes and norms).
|Apr-13-09|| ||MaxxLange: <he and about 30 other players withdrew in round 7 and 8>|
possibly a consequence of holding the event on Easter weekend, which seems like a bad time to me.
|Apr-13-09|| ||blacksburg: so sadvakasov wins even though shulman beat him in their actual <chess> game? this is so dumb. who comes up with these rules?|
everyone hates armageddon games. i've never heard anyone say <armageddon games are a GREAT way to decide long time control tournaments>. why the $%^# do they still have them? who makes these rules??? it's so dumb!!!
|Apr-13-09|| ||parmetd: agreed blacksburg!|
|Apr-13-09|| ||Eyal: The idea of an armageddon game is rather standard nowadays in tie-break playoffs - but only as a "last resort", after a series of rapid and/or blitz games has ended in a draw (e.g., in the World Cup, in the recent European championship, as well as in the rules of the last 2 WC matches). But in Foxwoods, if I understand correctly, the whole tie-break "playoff" consists of just a single blitz game - that really doesn't seem like a good idea.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||paulalbert: A couple comments on recent posts.
Foxwoods is always over Good Friday/ Easter so withdrwals for top players usually have to do with their standings and their likelihood of being in prize money, not religious sensitivity. I'm guessing that Nakamura after a long, tiring,(but unsuccessful ) attempt to win R+N vs. R in Round 7 probably calculated that winning two straight games and then likely sharing some money with 6 to 8 others wasn't worth the effort, but I have no way of knowing.
I'm not sure whether the playoff affects the money take or just the right to be called Foxwoods winner. Armageddon games leave a lot to be desired, but just like penalty kicks in footbal, at least it's decided by the players on the field; still better than a coin flip or arm wrestling. Paul Albert
|Apr-13-09|| ||blacksburg: nevertheless, i vote for arm wrestling.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||dumbgai: <parmetd> Since I live in the US, I pretty much only play American Swiss events and I've seen this happen quite a lot. Although I guess nobody really cares since it doesn't seem to affect prize money.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||Phoenix: I'm OK with armageddon in tournaments like this. Normally, it is only played to decide a couple of hundred bucks. It's in national championships and world championships that I have a problem with it.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||timhortons: GM sadvakasov is the winner!|
|Apr-13-09|| ||amadeus: <blacksburg: nevertheless, i vote for arm wrestling>|
Dice? User: Yury Shulman
|Apr-13-09|| ||parmetd: Actually Shulman is. The USCF just doesn't know that. They also still don't understand the concept of Cochamps. But whatever, at least they aren't as bad as fide... YET.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||MaxxLange: The Continental Chess Association runs Foxwoods. As much as I would like to blame the USCF, they don't decide how CCA chooses a tiebreak system.|
|Apr-13-09|| ||parmetd: the owner of CCA is also the President of USCF.|
|Apr-14-09|| ||laskersteinitz: <holding the event on Easter weekend, which seems like a bad time to me.> I read somewhere that that's the only time of year when the Foxwoods Grand Ballroom is available.|
|Apr-20-09|| ||Whack8888: Haha as for earlier comments -- watching Gms beat masters is not necessarily sadism -- often times it is hugely instructive. I think a lot of people on this site are around my level -- (Class A -- so I consider my level Class B to Expert) and thus master level play is like the next step out of our reach. These guys are the guys we would need to beat next if we were to advance, and the GMs show us how to do it. |
There is a familiarity I think to the styles and stuff, because we say oh yeah, I dont like it when that happens and then yuo see the GM counter it. Haha, only better thing for me than GM beating master, is master beating expert. Unfortunately, these games are obviously hard to come by. Instructionally, I find these lower rated types of games though are a lot more informative about chess stuff than Super Gms, or even just regular GMs, where there is usually so much going on underneath the moves that I am totally lost.
|Apr-20-09|| ||benjinathan: is <kwurge> playing?|
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