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Kasparov - Karpov Rapid Match

Garry Kasparov3/4(+3 -1 =0)[games]
Anatoly Karpov1/4(+1 -3 =0)[games]

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Karpov vs Kasparov 0-1242009Kasparov - Karpov Rapid MatchD72 Neo-Grunfeld, 5.cd, Main line
2. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0282009Kasparov - Karpov Rapid MatchD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
3. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0362009Kasparov - Karpov Rapid MatchD72 Neo-Grunfeld, 5.cd, Main line
4. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0332009Kasparov - Karpov Rapid MatchD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
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Sep-24-09  jmboutiere: I'm very pleased to know that Carlsen has such a trainer. I think he is the future champion.
Sep-24-09  Zzyw: AK's nerves, resulting in poor time management, brought the quality of the match down quite a bit. In many games he had his typical rock-solid defense worked out, only to crumble under time pressure or even getting flagged.

9-3 could have easily been 7.5-4.5 or 7-5 if AK played with more confidence. If you look at the games he came out of the opening pretty well, mostly. Apart from game 10 of course:)

Sep-24-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  kingfu: Defiler and everyone: In this database, out of Karpov's last 100 listed games (back almost to the beginning of 2008), Karpov has 24 wins , 42 losses and 34 draws.
Sep-24-09  SirChrislov: <jmboutiere>
yes, Carlsen will undoubtely be world champ one day. with a living legend as a trainer, I'd be afraid to disappoint him.

If anyone has the results for the blitz match, please post.

Gracias.

Sep-24-09  sugardoom: Carlsen getting Kasparov as trainer is a very big mistake on the part of the former. Carlsen is already #3 in the world.He had beaten almost all the world's best.What he needs is time,patience and luck to become world champion. Carlsen doesn't need to hurry.

Perhaps Carlsen is affected by too much expectations from chess media and people.

If Carlsen-Kasparov collaboration turned out to be a flop,this will haunt Magnus forever.

Sep-24-09  Zzyw: <<jmboutiere> If anyone has the results for the blitz match, please post.>

GK 5 AK 1 =2 (6-2)

Link to pgn download: http://chessok.com/broadcast/getpgn...

Sep-24-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Can the kk 5 minute games be found elsewhere, but not pgn, but in the archive format used here?
Sep-24-09  SirChrislov: 6- 2? wow, karpov got whooped. thnks 4 the info <Zzyw>.
Sep-24-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: I was just looking at a video of the 30 minute games on utube. The two players really don't look to friendly at all, after the game. The one I looked at is the game Karpov won. A very curt handshake, and Kasparov stomps off, no smiles or post game analysis.

Maybe they have some smoking embers remaining from the matches of 25 years ago?

Sep-24-09  Zzyw: Note to my previous comment: the file I linked to is a bit off in places, certainly the transcription of the first game is wrong. Most likely 46... Rxa2 was played in stead of Rd3+??

<Kasparov stomps off, no smiles or post game analysis.>

The players had about 10 minute breaks in between games, no time:)

Sep-24-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: <The players had about 10 minute breaks in between games, no time:) >

No, I watched video of Kasparov's victories, and the one of Karpov's win. When Karpov lost on time, both players were smiling, smiled as they shook hands. GK was big time sour puss in the game he lost, go to utube and watch for yourself.

A bit rude I think, considering the games are unrated, and they are both probably getting a nice chunk of money for this 'junk chess.' Unless, deep down, Mr. Baku still harbors a grudge agaisnt karpov, friend of the establishment. Actually, when you look at photos/videos of Kasparov losing to Deep blue, at the wind up press conference, you see the same bad attitude, even though he probably cleared a cool $1 million for 6 games fo chess. i just think he has a bit of an ego problem, he doesn't really have an 'off switch'. He could try smiling a bit at exhibition type chess events.

Sep-24-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  chessgames.com: The blitz portion of this contest is now online here: Kasparov-Karpov Blitz Match (2009).
Sep-24-09  SetNoEscapeOn: <HeMateMe>

Your description is accurate, but that's just typical Kasparov. Like Fischer, he just hates to lose. Some people might want him to be more gracious, but I feel like as long as he shakes hands and doesn't insult his opponent, he meets the "minimum requirements for sportsmanship" (not that he has always met these). In contrast, by that standard Korchnoi has failed many times.

To go off on a tangent: it seems to me that it's a common trait among several of the greatest competitors of all time. Ali used to insult his opponents before his bouts. Michael Jordan said that he would never even think of helping a member of the opposing team up if they fell down during a game. He thought the notion was crazy. That seems a little harsh to me, but it does have a certain logic.

In 2000, Tiger Woods skipped a memorial service for Payne Stewart (a fellow PGA tour player who tragically died in a plane crash) because he felt it was more important to prepare for his next tournament. I like him a lot, but I thought that was a shameful decision; Tiger Woods will soon become the first billionaire athlete in history.

Sep-25-09  SetNoEscapeOn: <HeMateMe>
Your description is accurate, but that's just typical Kasparov. Like Fischer, he just hates to lose. Some people might want him to be more gracious, but I feel like as long as he shakes hands and doesn't insult his opponent, he meets the "minimum requirements for sportsmanship" (not that he has always met these). In contrast, by that standard Korchnoi has failed many times.

To go off on a tangent: it seems to me that it's a common trait among several of the greatest competitors of all time. Ali used to insult his opponents before his bouts. Michael Jordan said that he would never even think of helping a member of the opposing team up if they fell down during a game. He thought the notion was crazy. That seems a little harsh to me, but it does have a certain logic.

In 1999, Tiger Woods skipped a memorial service for Payne Stewart (a fellow PGA tour player who tragically died in a plane crash) because he felt it was more important to prepare for his next tournament. I like him a lot, but I thought that was a shameful decision; Tiger Woods will soon become the first billionaire athlete in history.

Sep-25-09  Sacsacmate: <HeMateMe> <SetNoEscapeOn>

fine comments..I remember watching GK - Anand match 1995..after losing game 9 GK came back strongly..he was banging the door hard while leaving for rest room after banging pieces on the board..staring hard at Anand..

But I read on chessbase that GK said game 3 was objectively the best game of the this match....rather unexpected I'd say

Sep-25-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  siamesedream: All games (rapid and blitz) to pgn-download also here (scroll down):

http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/k...

Sep-25-09  Gogia: zarg: Kasparov is just too strong. - would sound more correct for me: Karpov now is too weak for Kasparov
Sep-25-09  vesivialvy93: Kasparov had 3 majors goals in 1985 for his chess career future 1- stay WC until 2000 2-the fall of Campomanes and 3-clearly beat Karpov in a match...
Sep-25-09  frogbert: <All the hype and build up with hundreds of thousands of people tuned in online, and they can't relay the games.>

heh. that comment is kind of self-containing in a way, even if i'm not sure the writer realized. ;o)

Sep-25-09  zatara: <All the hype and build up with hundreds of thousands of people tuned in online, and they can't relay the games.>

This is very important..
They talked about this match even in the radio of my third-world country (not just once) and the whole internet-chess-world should try really hard to exploit it..(I still wonder who was the IDIOT that placed spice cup above the k-k match..)

Sep-25-09  SetNoEscapeOn: <frogbert>

I guess site traffic might have interfered with the transmission of the games, but I'm convinced that the only effective way to show blitz games is via video anyway, with audio commentary and a board on the side so that the audience can clearly see the position.

I have a DVD by Maurice Ashley- "SPEED CHESS Superblitz Knockout Championship" which uses this format. It features four grandmasters (Benjamin, Christiansen, Nakamura, and Shabalov) playing semifinal matches of two games each. The time control was 10 minutes (no increment), but Nakamura-Shabalov came down to a 6-5 Armageddon which worked just as well. The comments and side board moves were all recorded live.

Sep-25-09  SetNoEscapeOn: Of course, none of that would help if you can't transmit :). My other point was that it needs to be live television.
Sep-25-09  Capabal: <HeMateMe:
No, I watched video of Kasparov's victories, and the one of Karpov's win. When Karpov lost on time, both players were smiling, smiled as they shook hands. GK was big time sour puss in the game he lost, go to utube and watch for yourself.

A bit rude I think, considering the games are unrated, and they are both probably getting a nice chunk of money for this 'junk chess.' Unless, deep down, Mr. Baku still harbors a grudge agaisnt karpov, friend of the establishment. Actually, when you look at photos/videos of Kasparov losing to Deep blue, at the wind up press conference, you see the same bad attitude, even though he probably cleared a cool $1 million for 6 games fo chess. i just think he has a bit of an ego problem, he doesn't really have an 'off switch'. He could try smiling a bit at exhibition type chess events.>

It's hard to smile when you lose, so I would not say it is rude, as long as all he does is show his disappointment.

His face after losing their rapid match in 2002 is the best example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXR...

Rather surprising how much Karpov's reflexes seem to have deteriorated in just 7 years. Or maybe GK has been preparing very well to avenge that loss...

Sep-25-09  frogbert: <but I'm convinced that the only effective way to show blitz games is via video anyway>

in short, there are two issues with relaying chess games:

1) for blitz, there's a problem with dgt boards (or other technology) for faultless automatic recording of the moves. that problem is the same whether 2 persons or 2 million people want to watch

2) secondly, it's the issue of bandwidth and/or multiple connections to a site.

broadcasting/streaming <video> (with a decent resolution) naively with 1:1 point-to-point connections breaks down pretty fast. you need some multi-cast scheme or otherwise distributed feeding, or most sites will suffer from highly insufficient outbound bandwidths.

chess moves in its purest form is one of the simplest things to relay, as the amount of data one has to transfer is quite minimal. however, software that requires each client to have a permanent (or semi-permanent) connection to the server, can quickly bog down the server(s) simply by draining its resources (both memory and connection points) - so that the site's legitimate and real users technically end up performing a dos-attack(1) - which is funny or ironic, depending on how you look at it.

at any rate, whether it's number of connections or bandwidth that's the issue, both things could be quite easily stress-tested <and> controlled if care is taken in advance. i wonder if there would be a business in providing chess organizers with the option to outsource event relays...

(1) dos-attack = denial of service attack

Sep-26-09  percyblakeney: <Rather surprising how much Karpov's reflexes seem to have deteriorated in just 7 years.>

The deterioration must have been rather recent. In 2006 he shared first with Ivanchuk in the Keres Memorial, lost 1 of 8 against Leko, and drew both against Kasparov when he shared first in the Lichthof blitz. In rapid against Istratescu (2617) he scored 3.5-0.5.

In 2007 Fischl's stats have him as 5th in the world in rapid, even if that of course is much better than his real strength. In 2008 he reached the Cap d’Agde semi and was 0.5 behind winners Pono and Gelfand in the Pivdenny Bank Cup. In a very tough Tal Memorial Blitz he was equal with Moro after the 33 rounds. This year he drew his rapid games against Svidler in the ACP Rapid Cup but lost one of the blitz games. In Zürich last month he drew Topalov and won against Polgar but shared last with the latter.

Going by Karpov’s normal level with shorter time controls the last 2-3 years I had expected this match to be much more of a contest. Karpov usually plays well especially in blitz as he may show once again later this year in the World Blitz Championship. In this match he probably played quite a bit below his classical rating though, even though it usually is the other way around with Karpov.

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