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Kasparov - Karpov Rapid Match

Garry Kasparov3/4(+3 -1 =0)[games]
Anatoly Karpov1/4(+1 -3 =0)[games]

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Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0282009Kasparov - Karpov Rapid MatchD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
2. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0362009Kasparov - Karpov Rapid MatchD72 Neo-Grunfeld, 5.cd, Main line
3. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0332009Kasparov - Karpov Rapid MatchD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
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Sep-25-09  frogbert: <but I'm convinced that the only effective way to show blitz games is via video anyway>

in short, there are two issues with relaying chess games:

1) for blitz, there's a problem with dgt boards (or other technology) for faultless automatic recording of the moves. that problem is the same whether 2 persons or 2 million people want to watch

2) secondly, it's the issue of bandwidth and/or multiple connections to a site.

broadcasting/streaming <video> (with a decent resolution) naively with 1:1 point-to-point connections breaks down pretty fast. you need some multi-cast scheme or otherwise distributed feeding, or most sites will suffer from highly insufficient outbound bandwidths.

chess moves in its purest form is one of the simplest things to relay, as the amount of data one has to transfer is quite minimal. however, software that requires each client to have a permanent (or semi-permanent) connection to the server, can quickly bog down the server(s) simply by draining its resources (both memory and connection points) - so that the site's legitimate and real users technically end up performing a dos-attack(1) - which is funny or ironic, depending on how you look at it.

at any rate, whether it's number of connections or bandwidth that's the issue, both things could be quite easily stress-tested <and> controlled if care is taken in advance. i wonder if there would be a business in providing chess organizers with the option to outsource event relays...

(1) dos-attack = denial of service attack

Sep-26-09  percyblakeney: <Rather surprising how much Karpov's reflexes seem to have deteriorated in just 7 years.>

The deterioration must have been rather recent. In 2006 he shared first with Ivanchuk in the Keres Memorial, lost 1 of 8 against Leko, and drew both against Kasparov when he shared first in the Lichthof blitz. In rapid against Istratescu (2617) he scored 3.5-0.5.

In 2007 Fischl's stats have him as 5th in the world in rapid, even if that of course is much better than his real strength. In 2008 he reached the Cap díAgde semi and was 0.5 behind winners Pono and Gelfand in the Pivdenny Bank Cup. In a very tough Tal Memorial Blitz he was equal with Moro after the 33 rounds. This year he drew his rapid games against Svidler in the ACP Rapid Cup but lost one of the blitz games. In ZŁrich last month he drew Topalov and won against Polgar but shared last with the latter.

Going by Karpovís normal level with shorter time controls the last 2-3 years I had expected this match to be much more of a contest. Karpov usually plays well especially in blitz as he may show once again later this year in the World Blitz Championship. In this match he probably played quite a bit below his classical rating though, even though it usually is the other way around with Karpov.

Sep-26-09  Open Defence: I dont think we are factoring nervous strain... this makes Korchnoi's achievements all the more amazing...
Sep-26-09  percyblakeney: <nervous strain>

It did look as if Karpov was the more nervous of the two. I still don't get why he played so slowly, he has never had such clock problems in rapid/blitz events. I think he lost all his games on time and was 1-2 seconds from losing also the two games he won. Of course most of his losses came in lost positions and if had played as fast as Kasparov did he would have gotten into worse positions, but it looked strange with all these losses on time, especially in games with 5 second increment.

Sep-26-09
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  HeMateMe: <fine comments..I remember watching GK - Anand match 1995..after losing game 9 GK came back strongly..he was banging the door hard while leaving for rest room after banging pieces on the board..staring hard at Anand..

>

This reminds of an interview I read with Yasser Seriwan. In one of his games with Kasparov, he said he had 'a winning positon', and Kasparov started making these growling noises at the board, and rocking back and forth, tyring to distract Seriwan. Yaz finally went awry and lost the game. He said that after the game "I wanted to Punch Kasparov in the mouth".

Sep-26-09
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  Jim Bartle: Game ten was the great win from home preparation, where he sacrificed the queen rook and more for the attack. Must have been tough on Anand.

I read the same from Seirawan, but don't remember the details.

Sep-27-09  percyblakeney: <I read the same from Seirawan, but don't remember the details>

It is from the same interview in 1993 where he meant that Fischer was the World Champion and Kasparov "FIDE Champion":

<"He was angry at himself and he took it out on the clock. The clock made a jump and I don't get angry. I really, really don't. I have a high tolerance, but that hurt. And I looked at him with a look that said, "Do that one more time, sucker, and a right is going to drop you on your ass!" I was so angry. And he totally disarmed me. And psychologically it reversed the game. I didn't say a word, but right then he said, "Yasser, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. Forgive me.">

<he has a claim on the title of world champion. I think it is totally legitimate. [---] for me he is world champion.Ē>

On Kamsky:

<I do not like him. [---] He is more or less an automaton. He has no personality>

On Fischer's theory that all the K-K matches were prearranged:

<he's putting together a very compelling case>

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....

http://groups.google.com/group/rec....

Sep-27-09  percyblakeney: Seirawan certainly never had a winning position in their 1988 game though, in any case he returned to the subject later:

<His behaviour at the board was so appalling that he affected not only my concentration but that of both teams. I lost an equal ending, which only seems to have justified his antics. It is a lifetime regret that I didnít cold cock him across the jaw. It would have been an international incident. FIDE would have barred me but my colleagues would have carried me out upon their shoulders>

http://www.chesscenter.com/kingpin/...

Sep-27-09  zatara: <His behaviour at the board was so appalling that he affected not only my concentration but that of both teams...>

<Kasparov started making these growling noises at the board, and rocking back and forth, <<<<>>>tyring to distract Seriwan...>>

<In his defence Iíve seen him behave badly against Deep Blue where such antics have no effect. Perhaps all the energy and passion that he puts into his games bubbles to the surface and he is unaware of the effect this has on his opponents. Is he not embarrassed when he seems himself on video?>

At first glance it may seems that Van Vely' s comments about the tricks players do to get the win r true but i think that's not the case here. It is well known how much kasparov dislike loosing and how big his emotional iq is..

Sep-27-09  parisattack: The results of both matches are, I am sure, disappointing to Karpov fans. But I am not surprised by the score; I expected to see Kasparov play close to 200 ELO above Karpov.

Does anyone have ratings for these matches, pretending they were rated games?

Sep-27-09  percyblakeney: <Does anyone have ratings for these matches, pretending they were rated games?>

In the rapid section: Kasparov 2812 Karpov 2619. In the blitz section: Kasparov 2812 Karpov 2619. Actual rating: Kasparov (inactive) 2812 Karpov 2619. :-)

Sep-27-09
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  HeMateMe: <It is well known how much kasparov dislike loosing and how big his emotional iq is..>

Regardless of his emotional frame at any given point, there are things you don't do during a chess game, especially at the professional level. Interestingly, in this video age, where many games are stored on digitized video, if a player is misbehaving at the board, to a material degree, it may be possible for the victimized person to summon the referee/arbiter and request a cessation of activities, or, after the game, request that the problem player forfeit the point.

For example, back at Wijk aan Zee, when Polger played Kasparov, and Kaspy may have touched a piece but not moved it, with video, Polgar could have had kasparov forfeited.

Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

Sep-27-09  PinnedPiece: Kasparov's shows of emotion (and that's all it is, I believe) are what can attract an audience to chess. In other sports (like soccer-football), raw and unbridled emotions excite the fans and draw them in.

If an opponent's good move causes a contender to wince and slam his hands to his temples, we know something happened. That's the spirit in which Kasparov plays these games.

Its all out in the open with him. From watching <Capabal>'s Utoob link, I don't believe any subterfuge is intended, at all. He cold-cocks himself when he loses.

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Sep-27-09  zatara: I 'm sorry <hehateme> but I think we r speaking different languages and your moral proposals have no real meaning in mine. In my view kasparov's behavor is a <quality> that a top-for-20-years-player is inevitable to have..
Sep-27-09
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  HeMateMe: I believe its rude behavior. If you saw this at a chess club or local tournament, someone slamming pieces down real hard, kicking the table, making noises, etc., you would tell your opponet to "knock it off idiot", if it was at a tourney, you might summon the organizer, complain on the spot. I guess you worship him, and i certainly think he's a great player, but I think he has a bit of a Napoleon complex, because he's a little guy. It may also be that he has a problem in his own skin. People in all professions who routinely bad mouth or disrepect others often have a hidden streak of low self esteem.

Hard to believe that could be the case in such a talented player, but you don't hear anyone having this discussion about Anand or Vladimir Kramnik, do you?

Sep-27-09
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  amadeus: <HeMateMe: I watched video of Kasparov's victories, and the one of Karpov's win. When Karpov lost on time, both players were smiling, smiled as they shook hands. GK was big time sour puss in the game he lost, go to utube and watch for yourself.>

I disagree with your description. I watched Karpov's first win (or was it the second one?), and Kasparov not only shook hands, but gave a (disappointed) smile. When Karpov lost game 4 (blitz), there was no handshake, and no smiles. (no big deal, it was a time loss in a better position, and a difficult situation for him)

Sep-28-09  percyblakeney: <back at Wijk aan Zee, when Polger played Kasparov, and Kaspy may have touched a piece but not moved it, with video, Polgar could have had kasparov forfeited>

It was at Linares, and he moved the piece but to a different square. Since Spanish TV "accidentally" filmed the sequence while covering the event it was later said that Kasparov's hand had left the piece for a fragment of a second, four frames if I recall correctly, but Polgar never complained about it during the game.

I don't know if video had been acceptable proof though, it's a bit like if someone films an incorrect referee decision and wants him to change it by showing the film. It's not like in last year's Amber, where the Arbiter had official videos of the organiser to help him, and Carlsen did the same thing as Kasparov. He wasn't forfeited for it, if I recall correctly, but had to play his "first" move.

Sep-28-09  percyblakeney: <I watched Karpov's first win (or was it the second one?), and Kasparov not only shook hands, but gave a (disappointed) smile. When Karpov lost game 4 (blitz), there was no handshake, and no smiles>

Yes, I saw that too, and in all not much of a difference when they lost. Apart from that the only thing I remember behaviour wise is Kasparov shaking his head quite a bit after his dubious pawn sacrifice in the first blitz game.

Sep-28-09  shach matov: <HeMateMe><but I think he has a bit of a Napoleon complex> I rather think you have a "little girl" complex when you think about Kasparov: you don't feel enough of a man when compared with Kasparov and as a result have to spread nonsense about the greatest champion in the history of the game. <but you don't hear anyone having this discussion about Anand or Vladimir Kramnik, do you?> But we do have hundreds of pages on this site discussing Kramnik's cowardice in running away from a rematch with Kasparov. <a hidden streak of low self esteem> this is exactly what patzers like you display when you badmouth the greatest of the game.
Sep-28-09  percyblakeney: Kasparov prepared for the match by playing rapid in Moscow against <a very strong grandmaster, and I was happy with my game> (and when Kasparov says very strong it should mean one of the top players). He also says that he didn't want to play stuff Carlsen might use so he just tried to keep it simple in the openings.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Sep-28-09
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  HeMateMe: <shach matov> I stand by the comment. He's a great player, but I think of a situation years back, little girl, when he lost to the chess program 'Deep blue'. It was a triumph for software engineering combined with the right mainframe set up, part of IBMs success in this field. If you saw Kasparov at the end of the match, at the final ceremony, he was like a pouting little boy, like a spoiled child. He was ensuring all the attention was on him, and not on the other people in the room. In fact, in 'American Grandmaster', Joel Benjamin says that the people who participated in the project were told by IBM to 'not smile too much, don't look too happy', so as not to upset Kasparov. I see it as a submerged lack of self esteem.

I mean, come on. He was paid $1 million for 6 exhibition games of chess, and couldn't smile or congratulate the programmers or chess players who helped develop the project? He even accused them of cheating, claiming that there was a side room, where a strong human player was examining the computer's candidate moves, checking for a 'computer mistke' before the final move was relayed to the board Kasparov was playing on. This is more detailed in a short film on the event, inclucing interviews with a number of the participants.

99% of my interest in such a player is his terrific chess games, but it's hard to ignore situations like the above.

Sep-28-09  percyblakeney: Some more comments on the match. Sergey Dolmatov means that Kasparov played well but that Karpov played very poorly. Dolmatov says that Karpov's talk about taking revenge in Paris is ridiculous, and that Kasparov can beat him without preparing at all. He also means that Karpov's match against Anand is a dubious exercise.

On the possibility of holding a K-K match in Moscow the Vice President of the Moscow Chess Federation Sergey Smagin means that the enthusiasm evaporates when considering that Karpov has withdrawn in the last minute from important events in Moscow before, citing "made up reasons"... He mentions the Botvinnik Memorial 2001 (also at the 2004 Superfinal did Karpov get "other business commitments" a couple of days before the event started).

http://www.rg.ru/2009/09/28/kasparo...

http://translate.google.com/transla...

Sep-28-09  zarg: <percyblakeney: Kasparov prepared for the match by playing rapid in Moscow against <a very strong grandmaster, and I was happy with my game> (and when Kasparov says very strong it should mean one of the top players).>

and when Kasparov say he was happy with his game, I bet he did rather well. :)

"I went to Oslo, we had a session with Magnus. It was not about my match, it was getting back into the normal chess atmosphere. We worked, and we played a few blitz games."

I wonder who won that blitz session... lol!

Oct-04-09  The Rocket: and now kasparov actually said in a video interview that he does play blitz games vs carlsen so the end of the speculations
May-16-17  The Kings Domain: Fine match, they should have more of this kind in the future.
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