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|Nov-03-09|| ||Ezzy: I think there should be a 'playoff' to win a title as prestigious as the 'World junior champion.'|
Anyway that's not the case, so congratulations to Maxime Vachier-Lagrave on a great performance, and his World junior champion success.
|Nov-03-09|| ||siamesedream: Congratulations to the winner and all players especially for my compatriot GM Micha³ Oleszewski.|
|Nov-03-09|| ||siamesedream: <Sorry Siamesedream but he was confirmed GM at the latest congress so he is officially a GM.> So why on chess-results.info he's still IM? I think you're talking about GM Finegold.|
FIDE Chess Profile of Robson:
|Nov-03-09|| ||ROADDOG: Congrats to Maxime Vachier Lagrave. Nice play against some strong opponents. He seems like a nice young man. |
Interview from chessdom. Date?
|Nov-03-09|| ||Prugno: Congratulations to both joint winners, at least that's what they are in my view without a playoff. |
The opponent's ratings, especially for rapidly improving players such as in these junior events, are no more reliable than Buholz for tiebreak purposes. A case in point is Yu Yangyi, who is clearly underrated, and since Zhigalko met him (while Vachier did not) this might have been a handicap for him in the final standings.
|Nov-03-09|| ||17.Bxg7: Wow! Congrats to Vachier Lagrave, I didn't think he would winning at the end. Besides, he showed great ambition in his games (only a couple of them were pleyed to get a quick draw, maybe because of tiredness). His victories against Lenderman and finally Andreikin were very satisfying in the sense he took great risks, he was losing at some point, but he showed confidence to get the victory. Congrats to him, first World U-20 Champion from France since Joel Lautier in 1988|
|Nov-03-09|| ||Valmy: Anyway, congrats to Maxime!|
|Nov-03-09|| ||tamar: Lagrave showed his class.
I especially liked this win M Vachier Lagrave vs D Howell, 2009 , showing a new way (to me)to play against the Bird Variation of the Ruy.
|Nov-03-09|| ||redwhitechess: the young Cori is under performing http://chess-results.info/tnr26636.... so still long way to the the GM title ??|
|Nov-03-09|| ||laskersteinitz: <tamar> Thanks for pointing that game out. Pretty fascinating.|
|Nov-04-09|| ||Atking: <A case in point is Yu Yangyi, who is clearly underrated, and since Zhigalko met him (while Vachier did not) this might have been a handicap for him in the final standings.> Are you sure of that it seems that Li played his rating. <http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...; Still on that site Olszewski Michal is third with 9/13 and here he is 7/12... Therefore I agree with you that the best 2 even 3 played a great tournament there. Congratulations for them.|
|Nov-04-09|| ||Atking: That my impression too <17.Bxg7> As a top seed we can imagine a special pressure on the shoulders of the French champion but indeed he did well. He looks very positive and pleasant person. Hoping to him the best.|
|Nov-04-09|| ||amadeus: Tiebreaks are almost always stupid, and so are blitz playoffs. In a swiss tournament, I think the cumulative system could be a try, but who cares? They played a 13 rounds tournament and ended with the same number of points. That's where it ends to me.|
Congrats to Vachier-Lagrave and Sergey Zhigalko.
|Nov-04-09|| ||tamar: At least Zhigalko knew before the last round that he had to win to ensure first place. |
He tried to play for a win without risking loss, but never looked close to a win.
|Nov-04-09|| ||Billy Vaughan: Congratulations MVL for some exciting chess. I'd be thrilled to see him compete more often in top-level chess. And congrats to essentially the co-winner, Zhigalko!|
|Nov-04-09|| ||DUS: <tamar: At least Zhigalko knew before the last round that he had to win to ensure first place.|
He tried to play for a win without risking loss, but never looked close to a win.>
And what about the game
M Vachier Lagrave vs A Lenderman, 2009
where the white got a free point? I was following it online. I think it was a strange game. In the middle of the game the white offered draw. Later the black strangely played the obvious (for everyone?) catastrophic move 72...f5.
|Nov-04-09|| ||tamar: <DUS> I wonder if we can trust the game scores: the live coverage was so erratic.|
Overall, I found Vachier-Lagrave played more consistently than Zhigalko.
Lenderman played an awful gaffe ...f5, but Rodshtein played a series of poor moves against Zhigalko to turn a possible win into a catastrophic loss.
Lagrave seems a better bet to reach the elite level.
|Nov-06-09|| ||syracrophy: Question: why didn't Carlsen appeared in this tournament? He would have won the tournament without trouble|
|Nov-06-09|| ||Udit Narayan: Maybe Carlsen finds it to be a waste of time, or rather that time could be better spent playing in some other tournament? He is already #2 in the world, and in a few years he will be world champion. It's possible he doesn't want to risk his rating or something.|
|Nov-06-09|| ||17.Bxg7: Well, objectively, if you participate in the World Junior Championship, is because you are young and want an opportunity to draw more attention and get invitations to compete at the top level with the "big boys". That's the purpose of all Junior events.|
So, it is obvious that Carlsen wouldn't have won anything new if he was participating in this tournament, even if he could do it, it would be trying to steal opportunities to other young people who look for recognition, like Zhigalko and even Vachier-Lagrave, who are trying to get invitations to supertournaments.
So, all the talk about losing rating points is nonsense, it has little relation with it ... Otherwise, we could start complaining about why Carlsen cannot participate forever in the Norwegian Championship, or Anand trying to win the Indian Championship, or Topalov winning the Bulgarian Championship.
|Nov-08-09|| ||Chessforeva: 3D games: http://chessforeva.appspot.com/C0_p...|
|Nov-16-09|| ||WannaBe: Dumb question, and I did not read through the 10 pages of postings, does the winner, (and/or second, third, place winner) get any norm? IM, GM??|
|Jul-21-10|| ||wolfmaster: good luck at getting your question answered, <WannaBe>.|
|Jul-21-10|| ||twinlark: <WannaBe>
According to the FIDE Handbook, the winner gets the GM title, and 2nd and third get the IM title: http://www.fide.com/component/handb...
It's a bit superfluous these days as the juniors are so powerful. MVL has been a GM for years, as has Zhigalko. Lenderman only received his GM this year but he's been an IM for 5 years.
|Jul-22-10|| ||WannaBe: <wolfmaster> See, you make a comment, I get my answer!! =0|
<twinlark> Thanks, bud!
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