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Tal Memorial Tournament

Vladimir Kramnik6/9(+3 -0 =6)[view games]
Vassily Ivanchuk5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[view games]
Magnus Carlsen5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[view games]
Viswanathan Anand5/9(+2 -1 =6)[view games]
Levon Aronian5/9(+2 -1 =6)[view games]
Boris Gelfand4.5/9(+1 -1 =7)[view games]
Ruslan Ponomariov4/9(+1 -2 =6)[view games]
Peter Svidler3.5/9(+0 -2 =7)[view games]
Peter Leko3/9(+0 -3 =6)[view games]
Alexander Morozevich3/9(+0 -3 =6)[view games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Carlsen vs Kramnik ½-½58 2009 Tal MemorialE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
2. Ivanchuk vs Anand ½-½44 2009 Tal MemorialD94 Grunfeld
3. Morozevich vs Leko ½-½39 2009 Tal MemorialC45 Scotch Game
4. Gelfand vs Ponomariov ½-½29 2009 Tal MemorialE10 Queen's Pawn Game
5. Aronian vs Svidler ½-½37 2009 Tal MemorialD80 Grunfeld
6. Svidler vs Ivanchuk ½-½27 2009 Tal MemorialC65 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defense
7. Leko vs Gelfand ½-½44 2009 Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
8. Carlsen vs Morozevich ½-½39 2009 Tal MemorialE25 Nimzo-Indian, Samisch
9. Kramnik vs Anand ½-½29 2009 Tal MemorialD85 Grunfeld
10. Ponomariov vs Aronian ½-½32 2009 Tal MemorialD87 Grunfeld, Exchange
11. Ivanchuk vs Ponomariov ½-½69 2009 Tal MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
12. Aronian vs Leko 1-043 2009 Tal MemorialD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
13. Anand vs Svidler 1-032 2009 Tal MemorialD85 Grunfeld
14. Morozevich vs Kramnik 0-145 2009 Tal MemorialE32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
15. Gelfand vs Carlsen ½-½27 2009 Tal MemorialD80 Grunfeld
16. Leko vs Ivanchuk ½-½27 2009 Tal MemorialB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
17. Ponomariov vs Anand ½-½34 2009 Tal MemorialD71 Neo-Grunfeld
18. Morozevich vs Gelfand ½-½41 2009 Tal MemorialA28 English
19. Kramnik vs Svidler 1-037 2009 Tal MemorialD85 Grunfeld
20. Carlsen vs Aronian ½-½32 2009 Tal MemorialD47 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
21. Gelfand vs Kramnik ½-½81 2009 Tal MemorialE04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3
22. Ivanchuk vs Carlsen ½-½31 2009 Tal MemorialA48 King's Indian
23. Anand vs Leko 1-045 2009 Tal MemorialD44 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
24. Aronian vs Morozevich ½-½31 2009 Tal MemorialD31 Queen's Gambit Declined
25. Svidler vs Ponomariov ½-½31 2009 Tal MemorialC67 Ruy Lopez
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Nov-06-09   Jason Frost: Can you all please, please, stop this absolutely useless discussion.

It's like, hmmmm <I think gms of today are far worse than gms of the past, I would say 2700 is a top gm now, no, i would say 2650, i would say 2600, 2750, i call 3000, unless someone else has called it already.>

<Now let's all discuss rating inflations It's terrible God Awful Terrible Killing Chess Wow did you see that sac by Moro, but seriously it's killing chess. OMG!!! Carlsen just had the best tournament ever!!!!! But seriously, chess is dead>

Chess is fine, there are still good players, who cares how you define supergm? Who cares if "inflation" has made it difficult to compare players of different time periods, it would be near impossible without "inflation" anyway, simply as result of developments in theory and preparation methods.

Chess is about the games. What makes it great are the masterpieces, the players, and the hard fought tournaments.

I've seen too many threads ruined by completely useless inflation talk and comparisons of players past and present. This is one of the best tournaments in a long time, so please shut up about useless, heavily opinionated, and completely unrelated topics.

Nov-06-09   Ghost of Merlin: Aronian will be the ice breaker in round 2.
Nov-06-09
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  Winter: Tal has the lowest Elo rating here but in the end his name will be on top of all these elite players!
Nov-06-09
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  Winter: <walker:> Boris Gelfand 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games] Vladimir Kramnik 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Ruslan Ponomariov 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Viswanathan Anand 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Peter Leko 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Peter Svidler 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Vassily Ivanchuk 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Alexander Morozevich 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Levon Aronian 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
Magnus Carlsen 0.5/1 (+0 -0 =1) [view games]
<Why they were put in this order?>>

What is the probability that this placings will happen? Very unlikely! I think 1 is to infinity...

Nov-06-09   arnaud1959: <dunkenchess:This is first class chess and Topalov is absent. His alibi will not be accepted but for sure he is afraid of losing points here that's why he did not appear. Say you.>When I see the way he handles his games, I don't think this would be the reason. He maybe wants to keep secret his prep for Anand.
Nov-06-09   Ardashir: <japz12: your answers are wrong!!! once a chess player crossed the 2600 barrier,he or she is classified as super gm. it doesnt matter if ur invited in corus or linares,once u achieved that elo rating, you're already a super gm!>

Super GM is not an official title, and as such is not really classified at all. With more than 200 players rated over 2600, it should be obvious that this informal title does not apply to all those players.

Originally, the Grand Master title itself was meant to indicate that a player was amongst the best in the world, with a fighting chance of becoming World Champion.

For now, it would seem that we might call players rated above 2700 Super-GMs, and perhaps even only those rated above 2750. In the latter case, Ivanchuk would of course be a Super-GM only every other time the list is published...

Nov-06-09   KamikazeAttack: Why is the Grunf suddenly so popular? Could be becase every top gm has srawn with it in the last year.
Nov-06-09   Ardashir: <jamesmaskell: Super-GM is wholly relative. 2700 I would consider now to be Super-GM though of course this is open to debate. Theres no formal title for such players.>

Obviously. Also, any demarcation one might choose would be arbitrary as well, but it's human nature to creates bosxes and boundaries. It would be foolish to claim that there is some kind of fundamental difference between the ability of Akopian (2700) and Adams (2698).

Right now the most obvious differential in the top rating list is the 14-point gap from Kramnik down to Gashimov - above which are pretty clearly the five best players in the world. Other than this, there is no good place to make a divide, so 2700 might be as good as any.

Nov-06-09   arnaud1959: < KamikazeAttack: Why is the Grunf suddenly so popular? Could be becase every top gm has srawn with it in the last year.> Because I started to play it :)
Nov-06-09   Slaven MNE: <Ardashir>

I agree that top five current on rating list had in last year most permanent form and results. But you can't say that there is big difference between them and others. I am sure that any player from 2700+ club can beat them in one game, maybe not in match. But down on the list you have many super names like Ivanchuk, Svidler, Gelfand, Leko, Morozevich etc who are on the same level as top five. Especialy Ivanchuk, when he is in the good mood I am sure that no one can beat him.

Nov-06-09   KamikazeAttack: Aronian is playing the damn Grunf too????
Nov-06-09   Hesam7: Why do you complain about the players playing the Grunfeld?
Nov-06-09   KamikazeAttack: Just surprised how popular it has suddenly become, even Topalov plays the Grunf now.
Nov-06-09
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  Viewer Deluxe: Games of "Tal Memorial" are being broadcasted live on my blog at http://chesstuff.blogspot.com/2009/...
Nov-06-09
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  rogge: Carlsen's looking good already, isn't he?
Nov-06-09   DCP23: <rogge: Carlsen's looking good already, isn't he?>

They're still in theory.

Nov-06-09
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  rogge: It's played before, but that didn't really answer my question :)
Nov-06-09   Aspirador: Kasparov told Carlsen to go the toilet twice during this game.
Nov-06-09   KamikazeAttack: Looks like Anand is winning the battle of home preparation as Kramnik is eating his time away.
Nov-06-09   The Rocket: were can I find the pressconference yesterday? I want to here the players comment the exiting games!
Nov-06-09   cannibal: 20.dxc6!?
Kramnik going for glory here (although Rybka says he can't keep his c-pawn in the long run, and then it's just a draw).
Nov-06-09   Valmy: Chessbomb has GM Christian BAUER commenting the games. It is nice.
Nov-06-09
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  moroloser: moro already in time trouble.
Nov-06-09   The Rocket: "Kramnik going for glory here"

on the contrary, d6 would have been more playing for a win.

how is white gonna win this??

with d6 black can always go wrong

Nov-06-09   Katu: Can Leko beat Gelfand?
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