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Nov-25-09
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| dx9293: <Ladolcevita> That's a formidable threesome, and none of them is in another's quarter, so it's possible. |
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Nov-25-09
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| dx9293: I'm rooting for Ponomariov and Kamsky. |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| Thorski: I would like to see Svidler win this event. He's an incredibly strong player, and a wonderful, outspoken and eloquent ambassador for chess (and cricket). His live coverage for ChessFM on ICC has always been a joy. |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| frogbert: updated ascii-chart before round 2 tie-breaks:
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* 1st half *
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1 gelfand 2758
32 polgar 2680 - nisipeanu 2677
16 yu yangyi* 2527
17 vachier-lagrave 2718 - meier 2653
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8 grischuk 2736 - jobava 2696
9 jakovenko 2736
24 rublevsky 2697 - areshchenko 2664
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4 laznicka* 2637
29 bologan 2692 - cheparinov 2671
13 mamedyarov 2719 - wang hao 2708
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5 sakaev* 2626
28 vitiugov 2694 - gilberto milos* 2603
12 karjakin 2723 - timofeev 2651
21 navara 2707 - shabalov* 2606
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* 2nd half *
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2 gashimov 2758
31 pelletier* 2589 - li chao* 2596
15 dominguez 2719 - caruana 2652
18 alekseev 2715 - fressinet 2653
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7 ponomariov 2739 - akobian* 2624
26 motylev 2695
10 wang yue 2734 - bacrot 2700
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3 svidler 2754 - nyback* 2628
30 naiditsch 2689
14 shirov 2719 - fedorchuk* 2619
19 tomashevsky 2708 - khalifman* 2612
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6 so* 2640 - kamsky 2695
11 eljanov 2729 - inarkiev 2645
22 malakhov 2706 - smirin 2662
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*) = advanced in a match despite being "rating outsider" numbers indicate "match seeding"/inherited seeding.
12 "rating favourites" through to round 3
4 "rating outsiders" through to round 3
(1 more outsider guaranteed to go through)
16 tie-breaks to be decided tomorrow
top 16 seeds stats:
through: 1, 2, 8, 9, 10, 13
tie-break: 3, 7, 12, 14, 15
out: 4, 5, 6, 11, 16
top 17-32 seeds stats:
through: 20, 23, 25, 26, 27, 30
tie-breaks: 17, 18, 19, 21, 22,
24, 28, 29, 32
out: 31
hence, interestingly <5 of the top 16 seeds> are out, but <only one of the players seeded 17-32> is out. |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| PhilFeeley: Kamsky quietly winds his way through to the final...again. |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| PhilFeeley: <SwitchingQuylthulg: That probably partly explains his reaction that infamous time a lower rated opponent finally beat him into a pulp...> Have you got a link to that game? |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| slomarko: <frogbert> whats your opinion on the victory of the 16yo Wesley "Chairman" So? |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| frogbert: interestingly, i'm blind. correction:
top 16 seeds stats:
through: 1, 2, 8, 9, 10, 13
tie-break: 3, 7, 11, 12, 14, 15
out: 4, 5, 6, 16
<4 of top 16 are out>, not 5. (sorry eljanov!) |
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Nov-25-09
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| Ladolcevita: <dx9293>
I hope so... |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| frogbert: slomarko, wesley so did his things very well, while ivanchuk made a very questionable decision when he avoided the repetition yesterday. today's game might have gone down a different path with a draw in game one, but it's impossible to know what kind of impact that might have had. in summary: yet another sub-par wcc performance by ivanchuk, while wesley so gives additional proof that he's a great talent with a possibly bright future in top chess. i haven't studied any of the two games in detail (or with an engine), and drawing any more conclusions based on only two games isn't something i typically do. what's your view, slomarko? |
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Nov-25-09
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| plang: <jon01: <He must be annoyed.> Who wouldn't be annoyed if he was knocked out by Sakaev.> Sakaev is a very good player. He has had a lot of success in Russia though, admittedly, he has not had many opportunities in international events. |
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Nov-25-09
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| Eyal: Re <yet another sub-par wcc performance by ivanchuk>, here's again the list I've posted yesterday, updated following today's game... 1997 - 1st round loss against Seirawan
1999 - 4th round loss against Nisipeanu
2000 - 2nd round loss against Ehlvest
<2001 – the exception: reached the final against Ponomariov> 2004 - 3rd round loss against Kasimdzhanov
2005 - 2nd round loss against Cheparinov
2007 - 3rd round loss against (again) Nisipeanu
2009 – 2nd round loss against So |
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Nov-25-09
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| whatthefat: Hmm, really wasn't the best horse to put my last chessbucks on then it seems... :) |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| slomarko: <what's your view, slomarko?> well so far he played really well and controled Ivanchuk quite convincingly. what I also like about him is that he plays the French. |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| DCP23: <Thorski: I would like to see Svidler win this event. He's an incredibly strong player, and a wonderful, outspoken and eloquent ambassador for chess (and cricket). His live coverage for ChessFM on ICC has always been a joy.> Hear, hear! |
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Nov-25-09
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| zanshin: My opinion about the So - Ivanchuk game earlier today? Wesley was lucky to hold on to the draw. Early analysis is that his 30.g4 was questionable and that Ivanchuk would have had an advantage after <33...Qe2>
click for larger view[-1.41] d=18 32...dxe4 33.Qxe4 Qe2 34.g5 Bd6 35.f4 Qxb2 36.Qg2 (0:00.16) 0kN But he let Wesley hold on to the draw by playing <33...Qf1+?>. Chessdom colored this move as red (for questionable). |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| frogbert: dcp23, and jakovenko and grischuk are through to round 3 already - unfortunately for russia, only one of grischuk, jakovenko and rublevsky can advance from round 4. likewise for svidler and tomashevsky (and khalifman, but i guess you don't have too much faith in the solid brick wall - even if sakaev interestingly has reached round 3. as you might remember, i consider that pair of players (khalifman/sakaev) the most boring "couple" in russian chess by far. ;o) you've seen svidler reach top 10 again, but i don't see him continuing to top 5 like you hoped. regarding jakovenko, it seems like my "rating/performance"-only evaluation of his current strength has surfaced in his rating lately. what's your take on jakovenko's drop from 5th to 19th in the live ratings? (he'll climb some again after today's victory, of course) |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| DCP23: <frogbert> Yes, quite unfortunate pairings tree. Aren't it always? In Khalifman/Tomashevsky I'm personally rooting for Tomashevsky of course. And he does continue to advance after crossing 2700, doesn't he? Not that I consider Khalifman boring, mind you. His comments on russian chess forums are nothing short of insightful and at times, very witty. Sakaev was once described by GM Sergey Zagrebelny as "one of the world's strongest with the white pieces". I remember being shocked by that remark at the time, and still consider it exaggerated, but perhaps Radjabov now can see some meaning in that. Regarding Svidler, you just wait and see! When he lost to Nyback yesterday, the only thing I was unsure of was if he'll knock out Naiditsch or Onischuk in the next round. Turns out it'll be Naiditsch. Yes he will get to the top 5 again, in due time. Regarding Jakovenko, he's a very strong player as I'm sure you've noticed by now but in my opinion Kramnik, Svidler, Morozevich and even Grischuk are all better than him and should be higher up in the ratings. His drop is therefore very much consistent with my take on the proper order of the rating list ;) Especially coupled with Kramnik's rise, which will continue in London IMO. |
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Nov-25-09
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| parmetd: A very sad day indeed to see Chucky go home. |
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Nov-25-09
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| swordfish: Congrats to Wesley So for his victory over Ivanchuk--a real milestone for the young phenom imo. Also, Laznicka handled Morozevich very impressively indeed, 2-0! Hats off also to Sakaev--this round has been eventful. |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| Jim Bartle: That's a devastating list eyal posted, of Ivanchuk's results in the knock-out tournaments. Even in 2001, it was considered a failure when he was the overwhelming favorite against Ponomariov, yet lost meekly. |
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| Nov-25-09 |
| frogbert: <Yes, quite unfortunate pairings tree. Aren't it always?> i guess that "problem" is strongly related to the high number of strong players from russia, though! never been an issue for norway... :o) and surely jakovenko is a very strong player, but i don't consider him top 10 yet, even if he's been within top 10 a couple of times already. |
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Nov-25-09
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| zarg: Ooops.. Radja, Ivanchuk and Moro are out!
<autolycus: Tiebreaks:
Nyback-Svidler
Akobian-Ponomariov
Inarkiev-Eljanov
Karjakin-Timofeev
Shirov-Fedorchuk
Caruana-Dominguez Perez [...]>
Looks as the favourites could still do well here, but Dominguez is heading for his second tie-break.. not a good start. |
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Nov-25-09
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| zarg: <6 so* 2640 - kamsky 2695> Unlike Ivanchuk in a knock-out format, Kamsky has done well. If So can survive him as well, it's a greater upset IMO. |
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Nov-25-09
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| rogge: <zarg: <6 so* 2640 - kamsky 2695> Unlike Ivanchuk in a knock-out format, Kamsky has done well. If So can survive him as well, it's a greater upset IMO.> Yup.
Go Svidler :) |
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