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|Dec-15-09|| ||chessmoron: <Kaspablanca> Except Adams blew a great chance on 25..Bc5, after 25
dxe3! 26 Be2 Adams could have won by 26
Re5!! against Carlsen which would put Kramnik ahead of Carlsen.|
|Dec-15-09|| ||Eyal: <Except Adams blew a great chance on 25..Bc5, after 25
dxe3! 26 Be2 Adams could have won by 26
Re5!! against Carlsen which would put Kramnik ahead of Carlsen.>|
Not really - they would have had an equal number of points, and the result of their individual game would decide as a tiebreak for Carlsen.
|Dec-15-09|| ||HeMateMe: < returnoftheking > Didnt you recognize him? Thats DeNiro, they're shooting "Godfather IV." Prmeise: A buncha wise guys are gonna hit the tournament payroll, before the prizes get handed out.|
|Dec-16-09|| ||Turki M: The Future of New Chess Generation Has come!!!!|
|Dec-16-09|| ||siamesedream: >>Magnus Carlsen`s Blog
London Chess Classics 2009. Final round, Dec.15th
After a tense fight today, I won the London Chess Classics with 13 points, ahead of V.Kramnik at 12 and Howell and Adams at 9. With classical score my result was 5 out of 7 which is enough to secure sole 1st place on the January 1st 2010 (official) FIDE rating list, ahead of Topalov, Anand and Kramnik! This has been a long term goal and I would like to thank my coach G.Kasparov for his help in reaching this goal now. I would also like to thank my main sponsors investment bank Arctic Securities and Simonsen lawyers for their support and for making it possible to continue the cooperation with Kasparov in 2010! I've asked my father to go into more detail on the persons and organisations that has helped us on my way to the top spot in his own blog later this month. My game today against former World Championship finalist Nigel Short was a Sicilian Dragon. I was quite satisfied with the opening. In the middle game I got an advantage but let it slip at some point. In the endgame I once again got an advantage but probably not enough to win. I tried and after 5,5 hours play I made an oversight and got into some real problems, but through accurate defence the game ended in a draw an hour later. As Kramink drew with Nakamura a draw was enough to secure sole 1st place. The prize giving ceremony was held as a private dinner at Simpson's-in-the-Strand, a venue with rich chess traditions which include hosting the "Immortal game" played between Adolf Anderssen and Lionel Kieseritzky in 1851. It has been a great experience to participate in such a well-organised event in London. Thank you! Magnus Carlsen
|Dec-16-09|| ||virginmind: congratulations magnus carlsen!|
|Dec-16-09|| ||mr.fisk: An outsiders look at the London Classic :)
|Dec-16-09|| ||Atking: <Eyal: <Except Adams blew a great chance on 25..Bc5, after 25Exe3! 26 Be2 Adams could have won by 26Ee5!! against Carlsen which would put Kramnik ahead of Carlsen.>
Not really - they would have had an equal number of points, and the result of their individual game would decide as a tiebreak for Carlsen.> |
That's realistic. But I can't close the feeling that Kramnik did play better in terms of quality (Even in the first great game with the move you and Hesam7 annoted (Kf8!)). Carlsen was in difficulty with Nakamura and Short too, never Kramnik was (The Game with Howell could come in mind but even in this game Kramnik knew taht at least he has the draw). Obviously Carlsen is playing up to 2800 Elo (No doubt about that and that's fantastic if we consider his age) but what makes the difference with Kramnik is in my opinion the "Will to win". Even if Kramnik changed his mind and play more aggressively compare to Carlsen he is still a bit lazy.
|Dec-16-09|| ||mr.fisk: <Obviously Carlsen is playing up to 2800 Elo>
He's been playing way above 2800 for a while now ;-)|
|Dec-16-09|| ||Bdellovibrio: "Carlsen, a 19-year-old Norwegian who looks a little like Matt Damon, is the world's No1 player. He has a penchant for wearing shiny silk shirts that shimmer under the stage lights." great stuff mr. fisk!|
|Dec-16-09|| ||frogbert: mr.fisk, that was precious!
<Carlsen had just castled his king, a move evidently so latent with unforeseen ramifications that it stunned Howell into inaction. And so he sat there, staring, unmoving. And so did the crowd.
After 30 minutes had passed, Howell made his move. Carlsen responded with dismissive promptness, slapping his palm firmly down on his clock's stop-button. Howell ran his hands through his hair, and slumped his head back into his palms, resuming his pose of a moment before. This, it occurred to me, could be a very long afternoon.
Later, when the commentators jokingly asked if there was anyone in the room who had stumbled in by mistake, I felt it was time to go. McShane had long since lost to Kramnik, but later that evening Howell would battle his way to a draw against Carlsen. Baffled, I staggered out into the dark night, leaving behind me a world entirely beyond my ken.>
a very entertaining read! please read the full version: http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blo...
|Dec-16-09|| ||The Rocket: is it meant that this tournament will now be played every year? or was this a one time deal?|
|Dec-16-09|| ||pawn to QB4: The organisers seemed to be getting together at the end and getting their hopes up for a repeat next year, so I'd say your question probably doesn't have a definitive answer yet.|
|Dec-16-09|| ||panzerkampf: where can we see the games of london fide rated open tournament?|
|Dec-16-09|| ||Pjalle: <panzerkampf>http://www.londonchessclassic.com/f...|
|Dec-16-09|| ||Mr. Bojangles: < is it meant that this tournament will now be played every year?>|
I hope not.
|Dec-16-09|| ||pawn to QB4: On the other hand, I hope so. Very well organised tournament for us fans. Fascinating grandmaster analysis. I was there yesterday with a young clubmate who got to chat with Vlad Kramnik - at her age the nearest I got was newspaper reports from Iceland. I've been spending some time delivering chess sets round schools in the wilds of Derbyshire. Somehow this got me into a room where I was sat next to Korchnoi as he debated the Short-Carlsen game with John Nunn and Jonathan Speelman...Nakamura and Kramnik discussed their game at a table right in front of me. Sorry to sound like a groupie, but it was about as good as it gets for a chess fan.|
|Dec-16-09|| ||Chessforeva: 3D games: http://chessforeva.appspot.com/C0_p...|
|Dec-16-09|| ||Eyal: <Atking: But I can't close the feeling that Kramnik did play better in terms of quality (Even in the first great game with the move you and Hesam7 annoted (Kf8!)). Carlsen was in difficulty with Nakamura and Short too, never Kramnik was (The Game with Howell could come in mind but even in this game Kramnik knew taht at least he has the draw). Obviously Carlsen is playing up to 2800 Elo (No doubt about that and that's fantastic if we consider his age) but what makes the difference with Kramnik is in my opinion the "Will to win". Even if Kramnik changed his mind and play more aggressively compare to Carlsen he is still a bit lazy.>|
I agree that Carlsen's game during the tournament was, on the whole, more uneven than Kramnik's, but I have the impression (quite subjective, of course) that when Carlsen was at his best it was the more brilliant one. Maybe this has to do with the fact that in all of Kramnik's wins, the battle was already half-decided by move 20 and the rest consisted of "just" converting the advantage he got from the opening
indeed in the area of opening preparation/understanding, Carlsen is probably still not in Kramnik's league. On the other hand, Carlsen displayed phenomenal middlegame skills in the way he kept outplaying his opponents from positions which were apparently equal or even worse (as against Ni Hua) from the opening.
About the Kf8 move from Carlsen-Kramnik it's certainly interesting to analyze this possibility post-mortem and see how Black could have saved himself, but it doesn't affect very much my appreciation of the players' performance. I mean, had Kramnik actually figured all this out and played the move it would have been extremely impressive, but I wouldn't hold missing such a computer move against either of the players. I call that a "computer move" not just because it looks strange, but because it's based on tactics which is both complex and sort of incidental to the main "flow" of the game exactly the kind of moves it's so easier for computers to discover, both because of their brute calculating force and because they always check automatically all the legal moves in a position, including the most apparently "senseless" ones.
|Dec-16-09|| ||Mr. Bojangles: Good post Eyal, I appreciate your contributions.|
|Dec-16-09|| ||GreenFacedPatzer: <Chessgames> A minor quibble.|
In your front-page blurb about this tournament, you write:
<Carlsen edged out Kramnik by 1 point under the special "3 points for a win" scoring system.>
This seems to imply that Carlsen wouldn't have won except for the odd scoring system---which of course is wrong. Using traditional scoring Carlsen would've won just the same, 5/7 to 4.5/7.
I do understand the problem, though: to explain the 1-point margin, you've got to make reference to the scoring system, and space is very limited there. Perhaps simply saying "Carlsen edged out the tournament over Kramnik" would work better, leaving all particulars of the score to this page.
|Dec-16-09|| ||zarg: <Winner: Brilliancy prize - Luke McShane>|
How Carlsen didn't win that prize, is a mystery.
|Dec-16-09|| ||Jim Bartle: I agree. That prize was effectively decided in round one.|
|Dec-16-09|| ||Mr. Bojangles: Why does Carlsen deserve the prize?|
|Dec-16-09|| ||rogge: McShane doesn't need the 10.000 (Goldman Sachs, is it?) Carlsen doesn't need it either. Maybe they should've given the prize to Howell.|
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