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|May-25-10|| ||Rolfo: The two players can assess the position OTB and possible developments differently.. If the one or the other is unable to see his opponents counterplay at a given moment during the play, well he might wrongly believe he himself is winning ..|
|May-25-10|| ||badest: <Rolfo: The two players can assess the position OTB and possible developments differently.. If the one or the other is unable to see his opponents counterplay at a given moment during the play, well he might wrongly believe he himself is winning ..> lol ... that is so true ... happens to me all the time, but, it should not happen too often if one is a 2800+ monster. (On the other hand, maybe Topa is over-optimistic by nature ;)|
|May-25-10|| ||hedgeh0g: http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...
Just read this article on the Bulgarian response to the match and it doesn't seem like the heads of Bulgarian chess are being particularly good sports about Anand's victory.
<He realized that he could not enter into a direct confrontation with Topalov, just wait and rely on his opponent to go wrong and then strike.>
This strikes me as particularly amusing when I think of game 1 and that opposite-coloured bishops ending...
Also, I didn't realise Anand got paid an additional fee for agreeing to play in Sofia, although it does explain his willingness to play there.
|May-25-10|| ||mithundada: topalov is coming across as a seriously deluded maniac - who fails to accept his short-comings. He has really alienated himself from most of the top level players. |
History will regard as Vishy Anand as a gentleman, a true sporting hero & chess champion - whilst topa will be seen as a bad loser and maniacal
|May-25-10|| ||samikd: from http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...|
Silvion Danailov :
<despite their so called super team, we were still much superior in the openings. Only in two games they showed some decent ideas. This was game 4 with white and game 12 with black when they succeeds to equalize the position quickly. The rest of the games our team totally dominated in the openings. Anand was suffering with black in all games (except the last one) and no advantage at all with white (except game 4). And I can tell you more: I will never exchange Cheparinov for all of these guys together. Cheparinov is much better and much more creative than Kasparov, Carlsen, etc.>
<Topalov lost, but he was attacking and was creative during the whole match. Anand was only defending, nothing more. Brilliant defence, by the way! But maybe the fans expect different way of play from the Champion, a more inspiring one...>
While that was not all that surprising, this is Mr Sergiev, who doesn't even pretend to have any amount of neutrality or class expected of a person holding an official position
<I think Topalov was much closer to victory than Anand and had the initiative during most of the match. But in the second half he was unable to stand fast, maybe mentally. Anand did not reveal anything new. He showed that he is far from his best years, but also that he was very well prepared mentally. He realized that he could not enter into a direct confrontation with Topalov, just wait and rely on his opponent to go wrong and then strike.>
<Russians are trying to spread, that the illegal methods they used to win the championship in Elista would be used in Sofia to help Topalov to win. The whole world saw that everything was perfect organised in Sofia, both players were placed in a level playing field and given the opportunity to show their true capabilities. So we are no longer dealing with detective stories of chips in the brains, etc. which the Russians began to develop on the day when Topalov became World Champion in San Luis in 2005.>
These guys are not sore losers. There is only word in the English language that I know of, which describes these people . <PATHETIC>
|May-25-10|| ||Petrosianic: <I think maybe 1 of these 4 games was "winnable"> |
"Winnable" is an interesting term. I take it that it means something less than "won", but still highly advantageous.
For some reason it reminds me of a game Huebner played at Montreal 1979. I don't remember the opponent now, but Huebner was Black, and in a a really tight bind. He had to find something like 6 or 7 hard-to-find "Only" moves (meaning that they were literally the ONLY moves that would have saved the game) in a row. Somehow he found them all and drew the game.
So, was the game won? Well no, the saving moves were there, and he found them all. But was the game "winnable"? Yes, very much so. I think this is similar to what you're talking about here. People tend to think that if Fritz or Rybka gives a move two question marks, that it's the same kind of thing as hanging your Queen on an open board. It's not so. Some double question mark moves are far from obvious. That's why I'm reluctant to say that Anand just blundered Game 9 away. He did blow it all in one move, yes, but it was a game where he was under pressure the whole way, and had to find many intricate defenses, while Topalov, on the other hand, could have played just about anything and not lost. If you keep the pressure up on an opponent properly that way, then a fair amount of the time he's going to fall into the pit. It's not a fluke.
|May-25-10|| ||Mr. Bojangles: <Russians are trying to spread, that the illegal methods they used to win the championship in Elista would be used in Sofia to help Topalov to win.>|
How is it possible that the whole world could see that Topalov and Danailov concocted a ruse on a grand scale in Elista and no one in Bulgaria can't? Not a SINGLE Bulgarian has come forward with an opposing view to the garbage above.
I find this most perplexing ... "it don't make no sense".
|May-25-10|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <Russians are trying to spread, that the illegal methods they used to win the championship in Elista would be used in Sofia to help Topalov to win.>|
FIDE needs to take action on these comments and at least censure this guy, fine him, something.
|May-25-10|| ||pamparana: <How is it possible that the whole world could see that Topalov and Danailov concocted a ruse on a grand scale in Elista and no one in Bulgaria can't?>|
Fanatic nationalism. Hitler would be proud.
|May-25-10|| ||Petrosianic: "They're Bulgarians, they have very simple tastes." -- Dave Lister.|
Now, if only they can play the next match in Nodnol, rather than Sofia. (You remember: Nodnol, Bulgaria -- rich in animal produce and mineral wealth, just south of Bosnia.)
|May-25-10|| ||Jim Bartle: It can also have to do with the information people are given. I suspect the people of Bulgaria were fed information biased toward Topalov's point of view.|
I've seen that happen on various themes many times.
|May-25-10|| ||samikd: <SetNoEscapeOn:> <Russians are trying to spread, that the illegal methods they used to win the championship in Elista would be used in Sofia to help Topalov to win.>|
<FIDE needs to take action on these comments and at least censure this guy, fine him, something.>
Really, how can an official head of a chess federation (under FIDE) say this and not face action ?
|May-25-10|| ||peddagunnu: Here is Topalov giving some props to Anand and making fairly valid points on Anand's shortcomings.|
|May-25-10|| ||iamsheaf: < I have been among the chess elite for 15 years and perfectly remember how Kasparov treated Anand for years> Who did Kasparov treat nicely by the way? Was topalov treated any better than Anand? Kasparov was very arrogant and his abysmal treatment to his colleagues was a part of his psyche tricks.|
|May-25-10|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: A lot of other interesting stories are under "Latest News" links to the right.|
|May-25-10|| ||mithundada: Poors tops / dany-boy here they are complaning at Anand's match preparations - as if it was all unfair yet they had state level assistance (courtesy of the Bulgarian governement) -and are making it seem as if that was nothing and they were up against the odds. At least the chess players of the Soviet Union / Russia used to deliver results to the State with it resources -here the result is opposite. Tops / Danny-boy have flopped.
It's also kind of funny and cool these cynical childish comments have come out now - revealing topalov for what he is truly is - a sore loser as he had appreared to have regained some credibility in this match.|
|May-25-10|| ||montree: @iamsheaf: < I have been among the chess elite for 15 years and perfectly remember how Kasparov treated Anand for years> Who did Kasparov treat nicely by the way? Was topalov treated any better than Anand? Kasparov was very arrogant and his abysmal treatment to his colleagues was a part of his psyche tricks.>|
Exactly this is the reason, I don't support Karpov's bid for FIDE Presidency. IMHO, He will be no better than what Kirsan is doing now. Kasporov, though a great player, did a great disservice to game of chess by creating PCA (I think only him benefitted from that). It took FIDE almost 20 years to put everything back in order. I think these people will wreck it again!
|May-25-10|| ||badest: <mithundada> lol ... sore loser is not that uncommon ... what have hard to grasp is why there are so many "sore winners" (or should it be "sore winers" ;). You guys are really dragging Anand down in the dirt with some of your comments ... seems that with such a classy WC even his fans would show some class. Alas, no such luck ... :(|
|May-25-10|| ||Mr. Bojangles: <Jim Bartle: It can also have to do with the information people are given. I suspect the people of Bulgaria were fed information biased toward Topalov's point of view.>|
But 4 years on, don't they read news, articles etc. on the net?
The great thing about the net - except China where censorship is huge - is that there are tons of info for individuals to make an informed judgement.
The nationalism in Bulgaria is very disturbing.
Woe betide any foreigner based in that country who dare criticise it - straight to the gulag or public lynching, I think.
|May-25-10|| ||support anand: Actually, I dont think all Bulgarians think like that. |
Recently at a conference, I asked a Bulgarian colleague whether she has heard about Topalov.
She replied something like "yes, he became well known due to playing for the chess championship, but I dont like him much. He was not very nice during that match with the Russian player, what is his name. Anyways, I dont think he behaved nicely" For the record, she does not play chess and does not know any other Bulgarian chess player, plus I never brought up the issue of whether Topalov's team is nice or not or his match with Kramnik.
Even <badest> on this board has acknowledged that Anand has deserved his win.
I dont think there is any scope for debate on whether Anand is the worthy winner. Topalov's team is just disappointed and nursing their wounds. That's all.
|May-25-10|| ||mithundada: badest: <mithundada> lol ... sore loser is not that uncommon ... what have hard to grasp is why there are so many "sore winners" |
Hey - fans have all joined in to criticise topa / danny-boy for thier silly post-match comments towards Anand. On one hand i call it a disgrace yet find it hilarious reading the excuses and negative comments put forward and seeing the silly reasoning. I hope in the next elite tournament the likes of Leko, Carlsen, Anand, Kramnik all actually collaborate tactically vs topalov. Plus the bulgarian chess official with his attack on Russia - has also upset the russian element i.e grischuk, morozevich, svidler & the latter crew will be fired up vs topalov.
Poor top - game 12 - goes pawn grabbing with eXf5 and fXe4. What was he thinking that anand had blundered a pawn?! These two above moves have got to go down as arguably the worst moves ever in the history of World Chess championship. It would have been awesome if topa ended up being checkmated on h6 with all his pieces / pawns on the first 3 ranks! with an awesome Q on c1 shut out by Ne3. Then it was hilarious seeing topa at the end engaging Anand - in a endgame with r+kn vs queen. Who did he think he was - Smyslov / Botvinnik that he was going to hold the position?!!
I can imagine how irked danny-boy, chep were at the stupidity of topa - but instead of berating thier man -they decided the best form of defence was attack and came out with thier drivel vs anand, kramnik, kasparov.
|May-25-10|| ||shach matov: <support anand> All this is completely irrelevant: the point <badest> is trying to make is clear :<You guys are really dragging Anand down in the dirt with some of your comments ... seems that with such a classy WC even his fans would show some class.> And indeed it will be a shame if some Anand fans become like some of the Kramnik troll fans -- Anand deserves better. And some even starting to attack Kasparov and clam Anand can compete with GK's record, which is a complete joke if one considers the complete domination by Kasparov.|
|May-25-10|| ||HeMateMe: Don't small countries really, REALLY, rally behind an individual who is number one on the world stage, in any sort of sport/activity?|
I remember when Monica Seles was stabbed with a knive during a changeover, at a tennis tournament in Germany. She was playing Stefi Graf, a national icon. the guy who stabbed her got no jail time, no fine, nothing. No uproar in Germany about this.
Growing up in a large country like the USA, its probably impossible to understand how a small country needs a symbol of success, like a Stefi Graf, an Alberta Toma, or a cross country skier from a nordic country.
Maybe the pro Topalov attitude is more about their reverance for one of their own, than it is a dislike for Vishy Anand, or any other of Topalov's competitiors?
|May-25-10|| ||Kazzak: She was playing Magdalena Maleeva, when Parche stabbed her. He was a Graf fan.|
There was a tremendous uproar, and Germans were ashamed this had happened. Seles was enraged by the low sentence Parche received, but it is actually quite customary for insanity to make one unfit to stand trial.
<Parche was charged following the incident but was not jailed because he was found to be psychologically abnormal and was instead sentenced to two years' probation and psychological treatment. The incident prompted a significant increase in the level of security at tour events. Seles vowed never to play tennis in Germany again, criticizing the German legal system. "What people seem to be forgetting is that this man stabbed me intentionally and he did not serve any sort of punishment for it... I would not feel comfortable going back. I don't foresee that happening.">
|May-25-10|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <mithundada: Poors tops / dany-boy here they are complaning at Anand's match preparations - as if it was all unfair yet they had state level assistance (courtesy of the Bulgarian governement) -and are making it seem as if that was nothing and they were up against the odds.>|
I haven't read comments by either Topalov or Danailov that resemble this. On the contrary, Danailov has supported the opposite view ("I would not trade them for Cheparinov").
Aside from his misguided remarks about "working with people who have humiliated you", I haven't seen Topalov say anything about it.
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