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|Jun-17-10|| ||Kinghunt: Looks like it's going to be 3 wins for white today. And I would have loved to see the look on Wang Yue's face when Carlsen played 2. f4.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||Blunderdome: 2 in a row for Radj!|
|Jun-17-10|| ||virginmind: looks like 45...g5 by yue was not that inspired. now carlsen has g4 for +3.11|
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|Jun-17-10|| ||Shams: <talisman><radj beat gelfand.> As <slo> would say, he toasted him. Gelfand needs to put some ice on his kingside after what Radjabov just did to it.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||aragorn69: Right. Magnus found 46.g4!|
|Jun-17-10|| ||Shams: The Mongolian tactic!|
|Jun-17-10|| ||Bobwhoosta: Carlsen just played g4, and it's time to resign!!|
|Jun-17-10|| ||virginmind: yue shaking his head in disbelief of his error...|
|Jun-17-10|| ||virginmind: 1-0. now everybody's gonna start playing the king's gambit at the highest level :))|
|Jun-17-10|| ||bharatiy: if no one has said this before, it was "whitewash" today.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||whiteshark: hello ??|
|Jun-17-10|| ||parmetd: yea right virginmind, I would go out on a limb and say we won't see another 2800 level Kingsgambit in about 50 years.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||parmetd: and yes its proven fact handbannana there has been rating inflation. In fact it still ranks Fischer as one of the highest rated players after adjustment. Its all pretty irrelevant stuff but can be fun to look at if you're interested in that stuff.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||hand banana: didn't have time to check with an engine, but someone pointed out that even after 46.g4! position might be a draw.|
line is: [ 46. ... hxg4 47. h5 Bc6 48. Kg3 Kf7 49. b5 Bxb5 50. Rc7+ Kg8 51. Rxb7 Be2 52. h6 f5 53. Rg7+ Kh8 54. Rxg5 Kh7 55. Rxf5 Kxh6
which gets us here:
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with white to move-
can white win this?
|Jun-17-10|| ||achieve: <virginmind: looks like 45...g5 by yue was not that inspired. now carlsen has g4 for +3.11> Wasn't it 3.24 at depth 19 ?|
Really not meant to be demeaning in any deliberate way, but that one sentence is so abominably off any conceivable target that it hurts in all the wrong places.
Though objectively ....
|Jun-17-10|| ||Matsumoto: A King's Gambit from time to time is healthy, but in high doses it is very dangerous (or, so I've been told). I think Carsen is right to put an odd fruit in the basket from time to time. My sense is he learnt something about psychology from Kasparov. When the world number 1 player trows out a King's Gamit it is bound to creat an instant sense of panick and fear in the opponent. At the same time it makes all preparation irrelevant in a blow! Mr. Wang was probably expecting and hoping for 1. d4. Of course he war prepared for 1. e4 and c4 as well, but when the e4 continues with f4, it must have taken him completely outside an entire decade of preparation.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||Bobsterman3000: Just tuning in... can anyone tell me when they'll fix the transmission error on the site?|
Some prankster uploaded a game featuring the King's Gambit... not funny at all.
|Jun-17-10|| ||jrlepage: <Bobsterman3000> LMAO!!|
|Jun-17-10|| ||virginmind: <parmetd> i wouldnt go that far, say...25 years? :) was just kidding of course, see the smiley sign.|
<achieve> huh? i just posted the evaluation available at that moment and the ply was over 20, maybe even 22, i dont remember. i wanted to point out the 45th move error by yue, because thats when the evaluation jumped from +1 to +3.
what's your point? oh, it was just a joke, ok.
|Jun-17-10|| ||achieve: <Virginmind> Of course evals jump with "wrong moves"- what's interesting to me and many others is WHY a certain move was chosen and after careful (computer-aided) scrutiny disqualifies itself....|
Point is I do not like computer evals as leading agents or reviewers during LIVE games.
That's my personal preference and I do understand that people think otherwise.
No problem and by all means keep posting.
|Jun-17-10|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <Bobsterman3000: *** Some prankster uploaded a game featuring the King's Gambit... not funny at all.>|
... at least they picked a game with the Falkbeer, so everyone would know it's a fake!
|Jun-17-10|| ||b3wins: <hand banana> In your line white continues 56. Re5 Bd3 (or Bf3 57. Re6+ capturing a6, with Rb6, a6, a7, and Rb8 queening) 57. Kxg4 Kg6 58. Kf4 Kf6 59. Re8 (planning Ke3, Kd4, and the black king is cut off) Bb5 60. Re1 Bc4 61. Ke4 Ke7 62. Kd4+ Be6 63. Kc5 Kd7 64. Kb6 Bc4 65. Rd1+ Ke7 (Kc8 66. Rc1) 66. Kc5 Bb5 67. Rd6 Bf1 68. Kc6 Bc4 69. Kc7 Bb5 70. Rd5 Bf1 (Ke6 71. Rxb5) 71. Re5+ Kf6 72. Re1 Bc4 73. Kb7 Bb5 74. Rb1 Bd3 75. Rb6+ Ke7 76. Rxa6 and wins. The plan is to cut the black king off the e-file, and then using tempi to attack the bishop to sac on a6 and the black king cannot reach the c-file on time.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||MrMelad: <A King's Gambit from time to time is healthy, but in high doses it is very dangerous> dangerous for black :)|
White has drawing resources way deep into the game, he has an open game, the initiative and the upper hand in tactical blunder fest, what is a pawn to get this right off the opening? I think its one of the best opening choices, if not THE best. All other options are drawing from nature, unless you are Anand and can always take advantage of some highly obscure positional advantage and play a very sharp and calculated Semi Slav or something. The best way to always avoid draws is to open the game, take risks, shake material balance, etc.. KG is exactly that, without too much danger for white.
Humans are not computers, against a computer it might not be the best choice but against humans, who blunders a lot (in comparison), its a different story. Its much easier for black to blunder in most if not all the positions after 2.f5. 2..d5 is probably the best answer but its not easy to play against such strong and tactical white initiative. A strong tactical player like Carlsen that blunders so little, should not be afraid to play it against anyone, including Anand and Kramnik. Even Fischer and Kasparov lost with black.
|Jun-17-10|| ||drnooo: an interesting comment indeed about the KG. One of the most amazing records in all chess is how well ole Boris did with it, and played it against ANYBODY. Nuff said.|
|Jun-17-10|| ||virginmind: <achieve> i partly agree with your point, as i nowadays post (much) less evaluations as compared to past years. i am aware that posting continuously evaluations (especially the long ones, with lines to be played) during a live game, destroys (almost) all the joy of following it and trying to find the possible continuation/plans by your own mind - and so improving your level of play.|
but i see no harm in posting, from time to time, evaluations of moves which have been already done and also pointing to the moves which should have been done (for a better evaluation)instead of those. especially, and i hope you'll agree, when the temptation is much to big to resist it, to point out quickly a mistake when (a patzer like me) see eval jumping a lot.
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