| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 30
|1. Naiditsch vs Mamedyarov
||0-1||47||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||B90 Sicilian, Najdorf|
|2. Kramnik vs Le Quang Liem
||½-½||64||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||D18 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav, Dutch|
|3. Ponomariov vs Leko
||1-0||57||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||C45 Scotch Game|
|4. Ponomariov vs Kramnik
||1-0||36||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E00 Queen's Pawn Game|
|5. Leko vs Mamedyarov
||½-½||50||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E62 King's Indian, Fianchetto|
|6. Le Quang Liem vs Naiditsch
||½-½||35||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||D39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation|
|7. Naiditsch vs Ponomariov
||½-½||82||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||C67 Ruy Lopez|
|8. Kramnik vs Leko
||½-½||47||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|9. Mamedyarov vs Le Quang Liem
||1-0||53||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||D11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav|
|10. Mamedyarov vs Kramnik
||½-½||31||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||D37 Queen's Gambit Declined|
|11. Le Quang Liem vs Ponomariov
||1-0||52||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||D86 Grunfeld, Exchange|
|12. Naiditsch vs Leko
||½-½||55||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||C78 Ruy Lopez|
|13. Kramnik vs Naiditsch
||1-0||51||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3|
|14. Ponomariov vs Mamedyarov
||1-0||51||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E32 Nimzo-Indian, Classical|
|15. Leko vs Le Quang Liem
||0-1||59||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||B12 Caro-Kann Defense|
|16. Mamedyarov vs Naiditsch
||0-1||36||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||D39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation|
|17. Leko vs Ponomariov
||½-½||41||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|18. Le Quang Liem vs Kramnik
||½-½||39||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|19. Naiditsch vs Le Quang Liem
||½-½||35||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||B12 Caro-Kann Defense|
|20. Kramnik vs Ponomariov
||½-½||37||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E17 Queen's Indian|
|21. Mamedyarov vs Leko
||1-0||39||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||A15 English|
|22. Le Quang Liem vs Mamedyarov
||½-½||52||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3|
|23. Leko vs Kramnik
||½-½||31||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E04 Catalan, Open, 5.Nf3|
|24. Ponomariov vs Naiditsch
||1-0||46||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||E59 Nimzo-Indian, 4.e3, Main line|
|25. Mamedyarov vs Ponomariov
||½-½||43||2010||Dortmund Sparkassen||D37 Queen's Gambit Declined|
| page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 30
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 42 OF 42 ·
|Jul-30-10|| ||alexmagnus: <When Karpov was their age, he was ranked in the world's top 3.>|
So what? When Korchnoi was Karpov's current age, he was top 5. ;)
|Jul-30-10|| ||messachess: I take it that FIDE has been casting about for the most acceptable formula related to world championship activities, and has alienated some top players. It looks like FIDE has been getting a lot of cooperation with its programs, seeming to indicate a degree of satisfaction there. So what, many top players are having fun and making money, and the fans are relatively satisfied? Is that about it? What about the fairness factor? What about the alienation? Was that merely a minor misstep on FIDE's part. Are they doing a relatively good job with the wc? What do you think?|
|Jul-30-10|| ||percyblakeney: <the fans are relatively satisfied?>|
I think most fans are happy if it all just ends with a match...
|Jul-30-10|| ||WiseWizard: VLADIMIR KRAMNIK World Chess Champion 2012
You heard it here first.
|Jul-30-10|| ||whiteshark: <WiseWizard: VLADIMIR KRAMNIK World Chess Champion 2012 > I'll believe it but not unless I see it.|
|Jul-30-10|| ||dx9293: <World Chess Champion 2012> Anyone but Carlsen, please.|
I don't want updates on the major chess websites about Magnus waking up, Magnus when he goes to the bathroom, Magnus when he's eating lunch, etc.
|Jul-30-10|| ||laskerian: <HeMateMe>:
On the apartment proposition: That was the funniest posting I've read in a long time. How I wish having a venue were that easy. If such were the case, can we have it 50-50 (half of the match in your place while half shall be in our place), hehe? I guarantee that there we shall have all my kids rooting for Kramnik and Carlsen.Mind you, even our dog knows Kramnik.
|Jul-30-10|| ||HeMateMe: Very nice! In my case, we wouldn't have to be flies on the wall--there really ARE flies on the wall!|
Serioulsy, I think FIDE should wake up and realize that there is a physicality/sporting aspect to WC chess--24 games against the same tough opponent is a huge strain, but a worthy test. The good folks at FIDE should put down the cognac and filet mignon for a moment, and search out a medium priced hotel with a large ballroom, something afordable for 6 weeks, and just let the boys slug it out for 6 weeks, a 24 gamer!
Would Anand have tired and folded up against the younger Topalov? We shall never know...
|Jul-30-10|| ||Petrosianic: Botvinnik's record in Games 17-24 of a championship match was +5-15=25. That doesn't prove anything about how Anand would perform, but it does show that fatigue is a factor, and more for some than others.|
|Jul-30-10|| ||AuN1: right before the latest wcc match started, someone made the point that the score after, i think either 12 or 16 games, was the same result in recent wcc matches as in the old ones when they played best of 24. personally, i like 24 game matches, but i can see how fide can make the argument that short matches are viable.
i can't wait for the start of the candidates; less than a year away. anyone have any predictions yet for the first round? i like carlsen, topalov, kramnik, and aronian.|
|Jul-30-10|| ||yalie: <percy> I agree that one can make a good case for Smyslov & Steinitz to be all time top tenners.|
|Jul-30-10|| ||WannaBe: No, George Hamilton is the all time top tanner.|
|Jul-30-10|| ||messachess: <Anyone but Carlsen> Has he played any kind of a significant match yet? I don't think so.--we don't know if he will be good at it; do we.|
|Jul-30-10|| ||laskerian: <HeMateMe>:
Same here – I am in favour of a 24-game match just like in the good old days. On the premise that a shorter match gives rise to some luck (wherein the lagging player finds it real hard to recover), if a 24-game version highlights stamina and will power and in case the older player cannot cope with the former, it only means that the new lion deserves to be champ. Age is always a factor, and to be a champion, one needs to show that one overcomes this factor (a la Lasker or Korchnoi); otherwise there ought to be a changing of the guard. Overcoming this is not impossible, as what the great Botvinnik showed many times.
Just imagine a 24-game match where the no-draw-offer is in place and involving any of the Top 10 players, and for sure we will be having a chess spectacle, given the level of chess nowadays.
|Jul-30-10|| ||messachess: <the good old days> they'd try to win one game and draw 23.|
|Jul-30-10|| ||Kinghunt: <Just imagine a 24-game match where the no-draw-offer is in place and involving any of the Top 10 players, and for sure we will be having a chess spectacle, given the level of chess nowadays.>|
I do not think matches should ban draw offers. The two players are battling for the most coveted title in the world of chess and if one player feels like surrendering a chance to win and the other feels like obliging, by all means, let them.
|Jul-30-10|| ||SugarDom: Haven't you heard of the "SugarDom Rules"?
All drawn games to be decided immediately by Armageddon (after 15 mins break). Standard win = 3 points, Armageddon win = 1 point. NO DRAWS ALLOWED.
Yes. You can even use it in a WC match. No more "I woke up 3 in the morning to see a 14-move draw. Damnnn...."
I'm turning chess into spectator sports, baby.
|Jul-31-10|| ||jussu: <SugarDom>, The only certain way to turn chess into spectator sports is to make the players throw each other with the pieces. One plan that may work is to give one minute for the entire game, but I doubt it (still looks too nerdy).|
|Jul-31-10|| ||Eggman: <<I do not think matches should ban draw offers. The two players are battling for the most coveted title in the world of chess and if one player feels like surrendering a chance to win and the other feels like obliging, by all means, let them.>>|
Apologies in advance to those who have been around here for years, and heard this before ad nauseum. But I just can't let such comments go unchallenged. So here I go sounding like a broken record again ...
The above logic appeals to us for hardly any other reason than that we chess players are used to it. If boxers or tennis players agreed to terminate a contest in media res and call it a draw it would be the sports scandal of the century. No wonder chess suffers as a spectator sport.
Without premature draws, how many games would the first Karpov-Kasparov match have lasted? Without premature draws, first-to-win six might have been viable.
The draw agreement rule is in place to allow players to avoid having to play on forever in a dead drawn position, and the rule exists for *absolutely no other reason than this*. Simply put, the spirit of the rule should be enforced: a qualified arbiter should give permission to declare a game drawn only if a dead drawn position, i.e. the type of position *for which the rule was surely intended*, has arisen.
|Aug-02-10|| ||jussu: <Eggman>, Notice that your proposal would not help you much. Take for example the common type of endgame arising from the Marshall attack (white has an extra pawn, black has two bishops and holds comfortably). It is dead drawn when both players are at least masters, so a "qualified arbiter" would of course give his permission to draw. Yet this position is full of play for us mortals, so we would whine about that decision anyway and demand the arbiter to be cooked into soap (as they say in Russian).|
The question eventually boils down to how low-qualified audience you want to satisfy. Someone who only yesterday learned the rules would definitely want every KP vs K position to be played out until stalemate; maybe we can find someone who would need the same with KN vs K. Perhaps some 10% of CG visitors would demand KRP vs KR Philidor position to be continued for some 100 more moves.
|Aug-03-10|| ||Eggman: <<jussu>> It is not so difficult for, say, a GM or even an IM to recognize a position that would be considered a dead draw at the elite level. I'd be curious to see an example of the Marshall Attack endgame you cite - it sounds to me like a draw, but not a "dead draw."|
|Aug-04-10|| ||jussu: It is helluva work to browse through all drawn C89s :) One I found is this: Anand vs Leko, 2007 but there is an older example with comments in Jonathan Rowson's Chess For Zebras (unfortunately, I don't have that book here).|
I have encountered this ending in one of my games, indeed it looked promising but really felt dead once I tried to find a way to win it. As you correctly said, it is not necessarily a dead draw, it would be an interesting exercise e.g between you and me. I actually got a simple winning chance (and blew it) in my game, but these things do not occur between masters.
|Aug-15-10|| ||freeman8201: Go Ponomariov!
I heard he was playing more poker these days...
What's up with Kraminik playing the Pirc? ...was he going for the full point? LOL
|Aug-15-10|| ||AuN1: he gave naiditsch a lot of chances to make mistakes, and succumb to the attack, but it was kramnik who faltered in the end. he did not stay consistent with his approach, and missed several opportunities for equality, and winning chances.|
|Aug-19-10|| ||ChessMasta2000: karpov wants ponomariov to play anand?|
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