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TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
Nanjing Pearl Spring Tournament

Magnus Carlsen7/10(+4 -0 =6)[games]
Viswanathan Anand6/10(+3 -1 =6)[games]
Etienne Bacrot5/10(+3 -3 =4)[games]
Veselin Topalov4.5/10(+2 -3 =5)[games]
Vugar Gashimov4.5/10(+0 -1 =9)[games]
Wang Yue3/10(+0 -4 =6)[games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 30  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Anand vs Wang Yue ½-½322010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
2. Topalov vs V Gashimov ½-½552010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentD16 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
3. Carlsen vs Bacrot 1-0382010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC45 Scotch Game
4. Anand vs Carlsen ½-½442010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer
5. Bacrot vs Topalov ½-½362010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE21 Nimzo-Indian, Three Knights
6. Wang Yue vs V Gashimov ½-½602010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE12 Queen's Indian
7. Carlsen vs Wang Yue 1-0382010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC43 Petrov, Modern Attack
8. V Gashimov vs Bacrot 0-1452010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentA29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto
9. Topalov vs Anand 0-1332010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentD57 Queen's Gambit Declined, Lasker Defense
10. V Gashimov vs Carlsen ½-½762010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer
11. Topalov vs Wang Yue ½-½352010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
12. Bacrot vs Anand 1-0462010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
13. Wang Yue vs Bacrot 0-1432010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE15 Queen's Indian
14. Carlsen vs Topalov 1-0322010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC78 Ruy Lopez
15. Anand vs V Gashimov ½-½252010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
16. Bacrot vs Carlsen ½-½482010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE15 Queen's Indian
17. Wang Yue vs Anand 0-1512010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE00 Queen's Pawn Game
18. V Gashimov vs Topalov ½-½432010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentB14 Caro-Kann, Panov-Botvinnik Attack
19. Topalov vs Bacrot 1-0372010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE15 Queen's Indian
20. V Gashimov vs Wang Yue ½-½672010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC42 Petrov Defense
21. Carlsen vs Anand ½-½682010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC67 Ruy Lopez
22. Wang Yue vs Carlsen ½-½282010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE00 Queen's Pawn Game
23. Bacrot vs V Gashimov ½-½142010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentD10 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
24. Anand vs Topalov ½-½312010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentE10 Queen's Pawn Game
25. V Gashimov vs Anand ½-½422010Nanjing Pearl Spring TournamentC67 Ruy Lopez
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Nov-03-10
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  alexmagnus: BTW <visayan> you mix two things. Pillsbury played a blindfold simul while reciting a list of words, but not the list backwards. He was known for the talent to recite lists backwards but <reciting a list backwards during a blindfold simul> is not documented.
Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: <Before his chess exhibitions he would do memory tricks: fifty numbered pieces of paper, each with a five-word sentence, would be given to him. He would read them and then drop them into a hat. Next having someone would draw them out, and call out the number one by one, Harry would rattle off the correct sentence. At the end, he would then recite each sentence backwards>

So, it was not <during> the simul, but <before> it.

Nov-03-10
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  alexmagnus: So, Pillsbury did some memory tricks, and mythwriters decided to make it even more impressive and put it so as if he did all those tricks simultaneously. Apparently he didn't. Or did two tricks and the same time (blindfold simul+ list of words (only forward) or blindsfold simul + whist).
Nov-03-10
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  alexmagnus: Here one accccount of him reciting backwards <during a pause in a blindfold simul>

<I think the most wonderful feat I ever saw a chessplayer perform was when Pillsbury played at the Columbia Club, Vandeventer and Lindell. He played 16 games of chess and eight games of checkers, all blindfold, and took a hand at duplicate whist at the same time. He won 15 and drew one at chess, won all the checker games and the rubber of whist. During the intermission Pillsbury picked up a copy of the Post Dispatch, read a paragraph, fully one inch deep, through once and handed the paper to me. He then repeated that paragraph backwards word for word without a single mistake.>

Nov-03-10
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  alexmagnus: But many of those memory feats are easier than they look when you know some mnemonic techniques. F.x this one:

<In the next illustration a pack of cards was shuffled and about 20 dealt out, each card being called. Mr Pillsbury not seeing the cards simply listened, and then rapidly and accurately called off all the remaining cards that had not been dealt>

can be repeated by anybody with some training and with the correct memorizing technique (f.x.a pack of card as a story and then tell the missing plots)

Nov-03-10
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  lostemperor: <suplexer> that google video link of Kasparov does not work can you post it again, it makes me curious:)
Nov-03-10  The Rocket: People seemed to have the missperception that a good memory has anything to do with a players streight or memorizing opening theory but its really not.

I have an awful memory in chess yet my theoretical knowledge is quite respected.. I simply stored it in my long term memory just like almost anybody can do.

And once you reach a certain level your understanding of the game will often help you finding the theory moves if you forgot some parts of an opening.

I have read many interviews with super gms saying that they had forgotten the theory of the game they just completed... so this oustanding memory thing is probably overhyped.

Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  nimh: <is to a 3200 elo engine.. >

We don't know for sure what Rybka's rating would be in human rating list. 3200 comes from engine rating lists, it's impossible to compare different rating pools.

Also, you cannot ignore the role hardware plays in playing strength; engines have no strength itself.

<Rybka is not the truth in chess..>

But she is closest to the truth.

Nov-03-10  The Rocket: We know that the average opponent rybka played in the tests are stronger than any human gm, so why should it then be questioned the determined elo?.

Also We have had many top players play old versions of fritz like kramnik and Kasparov, but then you see a new fritz vs rybka and its scores more than 70%.. classic human logic should help us here...

To make things easier to evalute this its quite evident that old anti-computer tactics dont work so that should lead us to the conclusion that rybka is indeed worth around 3000+.

There is one problem though.
if player of kramniks caliber having no intention of winning any games, would actually be able to draw such a heavy amount of games and thereby getting rybkas performance rating down from even 3000?

That would be the main issue.. all the engines playing against each other always play to win and dont take openings into conciderations and in such cases the superior engine will of course have a heavy score.

Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: <We know that the average opponent rybka played in the tests are stronger than any human gm, so why should it then be questioned the determined elo?>

1)Because they use a slightly different formula
2)Stronger than human GMs, but how much stronger? I cannot believe these are 400 points stronger than the strongest. That would imply that Rybka would <underperform> if it beats Anand 9:1 (with 9.5:0.5 it gains a bit).

Nov-03-10  Monoceros: "But she is closest to the truth."

'She'? Urgh. I can't be the only one who's creeped out by talk like this. It's a fricking computer program--rather odd as the target for a schoolboyish crush, isn't it?

Nov-03-10  The Rocket: the older engines were tested in tournaments and performed almost exactly to its estimated elo rating. so why should the new ones following the same system be any different?
Nov-03-10
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  alexmagnus: < the older engines were tested in tournaments and performed almost exactly to its estimated elo rating. >

For example? (tell me the tournament <and> show computer the rating list from that time).

Nov-03-10  The Rocket: <alexmagnus>

http://www.gamesforum.ca/showthread...

Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: Testing a 2700 rated engine on a 2300 player to prove its 2700 rating is quite unreliable though...
Nov-03-10  suplexer: lost emporor here is the link for kaspy documentary. it is 57 minutes long enjoy.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&so...

Nov-03-10  percyblakeney: Deep Junior must be the only engine to have participated in one of the big tournaments, in Dortmund 2000, and it finished with an even score against opposition with a 2700+ average Elo:

http://www.worldchesslinks.net/ezpa...

Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <alexmagnus: But I'm sure the words were not too long... >

I saw one of the lists, I think in a Chernev book, so take this for what it is worth. But the words were very long and obscure. I think scientists chose them.

Has anyone seen what I'm talking about?

Nov-03-10  percyblakeney: Antiphlogistian, Periosteum, Takadiastase, Plasmon, Ambrosia, Threlkeld, streptococcus, staphylococcus, micrococcus, Mississippi, Freiheit, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, athletics, no war, Etchenberg, American, Russian, philosophy, Piet Potgelter's Rost, Salamagundi, Oomisillecottsi, Bangmamvate, Schlechter's Nek, Manzinyama, theosophy, catechism, Madjesoomalops.
Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: Hm, so a mix of something trivial ("American", "no war") and something I don't even know the meaning of (what the heck is "Madjesoomalops")?

The "trivial" words can be connected by association+number-word chain (typical mnemonic techniques), but I'm not sure what I'd begin with rare/unknown words...

Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <percyblakeney> Thanks!

Not so fast on Schlechter's Nek, though...

http://www.impalapublications.com/b...

Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: There are some "units" in the list though, which are a good "haken" for memorizing:

<streptococcus, staphylococcus, micrococcus> - three cocci bacteria....

<Freiheit, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, athletics, no war, Etchenberg, American, Russian>

If it were not for Etchenberg, I'd have the necessary association chain in my head immediately.

The final part of the list - <Piet Potgelter's Rost, Salamagundi, Oomisillecottsi, Bangmamvate, Schlechter's Nek, Manzinyama, theosophy, catechism, Madjesoomalops> - puzzles me though. No idea how I would memorize it lol.

Nov-03-10  rapidcitychess: <visayanbraindocter>

I am still tormented by a game I blundered to a simple mate in one in a drawn ending... Stop replaying! Stop it! Please Mr.Brain...

Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: http://userpages.monmouth.com/~colo...
Nov-03-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: With that explanation we also see more connections between the words... So memorizing that list would be even easier for someone with a broad "common" knowledge.
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