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TOURNAMENT STANDINGS
Tal Memorial Tournament

Levon Aronian5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[games]
Sergey Karjakin5.5/9(+2 -0 =7)[games]
Shakhriyar Mamedyarov5.5/9(+3 -1 =5)[games]
Alexander Grischuk5/9(+1 -0 =8)[games]
Hikaru Nakamura5/9(+1 -0 =8)[games]
Wang Hao5/9(+2 -1 =6)[games]
Vladimir Kramnik4.5/9(+2 -2 =5)[games]
Boris Gelfand3.5/9(+2 -4 =3)[games]
Alexey Shirov3/9(+1 -4 =4)[games]
Pavel Eljanov2.5/9(+1 -5 =3)[games]

 page 1 of 2; games 1-25 of 45  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Aronian vs Kramnik 1-0412010Tal MemorialD38 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin Variation
2. Mamedyarov vs Nakamura ½-½432010Tal MemorialD56 Queen's Gambit Declined
3. Shirov vs Wang Hao 0-1512010Tal MemorialC11 French
4. Karjakin vs Gelfand 1-0572010Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
5. Grischuk vs Eljanov 1-0602010Tal MemorialE00 Queen's Pawn Game
6. Gelfand vs Shirov 1-0612010Tal MemorialD16 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
7. Mamedyarov vs Karjakin ½-½392010Tal MemorialE21 Nimzo-Indian, Three Knights
8. Kramnik vs Grischuk ½-½392010Tal MemorialD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
9. Wang Hao vs Aronian ½-½402010Tal MemorialE06 Catalan, Closed, 5.Nf3
10. Nakamura vs Eljanov 1-0402010Tal MemorialE00 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Shirov vs Mamedyarov 0-1712010Tal MemorialC95 Ruy Lopez, Closed, Breyer
12. Eljanov vs Kramnik 0-1492010Tal MemorialE37 Nimzo-Indian, Classical
13. Grischuk vs Wang Hao ½-½222010Tal MemorialD17 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
14. Karjakin vs Nakamura ½-½702010Tal MemorialC67 Ruy Lopez
15. Aronian vs Gelfand 1-0412010Tal MemorialD43 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav
16. Mamedyarov vs Aronian ½-½352010Tal MemorialD11 Queen's Gambit Declined Slav
17. Gelfand vs Grischuk ½-½412010Tal MemorialD02 Queen's Pawn Game
18. Karjakin vs Shirov ½-½632010Tal MemorialC78 Ruy Lopez
19. Nakamura vs Kramnik ½-½332010Tal MemorialC42 Petrov Defense
20. Wang Hao vs Eljanov ½-½792010Tal MemorialA29 English, Four Knights, Kingside Fianchetto
21. Kramnik vs Wang Hao ½-½342010Tal MemorialE10 Queen's Pawn Game
22. Eljanov vs Gelfand 1-0532010Tal MemorialD48 Queen's Gambit Declined Semi-Slav, Meran
23. Shirov vs Nakamura ½-½792010Tal MemorialC67 Ruy Lopez
24. Aronian vs Karjakin ½-½562010Tal MemorialE21 Nimzo-Indian, Three Knights
25. Grischuk vs Mamedyarov ½-½492010Tal MemorialD70 Neo-Grunfeld Defense
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Kibitzer's Corner
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Nov-16-10  Mr. Bojangles: <The romance... Chess is not a romantic game, why the hell do we need "the romance" of the world championship?>

hahahahha

Nov-16-10  SugarDom: <A game as dry as chess has no place for sentiments/romance.>

Then why the heck you bother with it?

Nov-16-10
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: Because I like dry games?:)
Nov-16-10
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  HeMateMe: <Actually, chess has the best point system of all them. No sport translates as well as chess.> And, it sure worked great when Pomonariev and some other fellows________ were crowned "world champion" 8 or 10 years ago. I'd like to fill in the blank there, but I can't remember who they were. I don't think anyone else remembers either.
Nov-16-10  ycbaywtb: okay , this year's Tal was pretty entertaining, and i'm slowly getting over Naka'a nervous time pressure collapse vs Grischuk (what a shock, when computers had him about +5 at some point/and why pin the pawn when it wasn't likely moving anyway, it's like he was temporarily delusional)

but, my main point is that the standings were fairly close in the end which kept the drama, but sometimes i like to see that runaway horse---performances like Carlsen has winning a tournament with a round to spare and basically telling the opponents catch me if you can on the crosstable

so, that special aura (how do you spell that word) a person creates in chess was missing as all the players had ups and downs, nobody clearly running away with it

didn't mamed lose the final round? another big surprise

oh well chess world today i guess

I wish Magnus would change his mind and compete for the FIDE crown in the matches and all, but i doubt that will transpire

and we can still see him play otherwise

can't wait for the Tal blitz... has it started?

Nov-17-10  jacqueslaumone: <And, it sure worked great when Pomonariev and some other fellows________ were crowned "world champion" 8 or 10 years ago. I'd like to fill in the blank there, but I can't remember who they were. I don't think anyone else remembers either.>

Anand?

Nov-17-10  ycbaywtb: good point, only the classic matches are remembered by the fans, not run of the mill knockouts or tourneys
Nov-21-10  Aware: Rustam Kasimdzhanov had to be one.
Nov-22-10  lorker: There was nothing wrong with Ponomariov winning the World Championship in 2002; Ponomariov has shown from his results after that his victory was no fluke, he is extremely good in knockout tournaments. Also Ponomariov and Anand are currently two of the strongest players in the world, even if the other people who won the knockouts weren't as good. Just like how playing matches and tournaments are different, playing knockouts is different but requires skills too and it isn't quite the lottery most people seem to claim it is.
Nov-22-10  Ladolcevita: Kasimdzhanov just won a personal gold medal in this year's Guangzhou Asian Games,and through the process,he beat such strong players as Liguanlian (Le G?anyway,that guy from Vietnam)and Buxiangzhi.
Nov-24-10  The Rocket: <"and it isn't quite the lottery most people seem to claim it is.">

Isnt the fact that a player like him wins it proof enough?

Nov-24-10  jussu: <Ladolcevita> :D
Nov-24-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: <Isnt the fact that a player like him wins it proof enough?>

I have to say no. A dozen other players could have won it. GM Ponomariov is a very strong chess player, but off hand I can give the names of nearly a dozen others who I believe are stronger than him.

It's why the titles that FIDE gave to winners of two-rounder KOs are disputed. People who deserve it more are unlucky and get KO'd. In addition, people who have won the same FIDE tournament format recently are not given the honorary title. For instance, Gelfand has just won a tournament with the exact format as the FIDE KO champions won (the World Cup); so why is he not 'world champion' too? Frankly I think he deserves it more than Pono, especially as he beat Pono himself to win it.

Most chess fans probably cannot even remember all who have won these KO tournaments, much less regard them as real world champions. Nearly every one remembers who beat Karpov, who beat Kasparov, who beat Kramnik, and surely who will beat Anand; and regard them as real world champions without dispute.

Nov-24-10  The Rocket: <"I have to say no. A dozen other players could have won it."

Thats exactly why its a lottery.

Nov-24-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: <The Rocket: <"I have to say no. A dozen other players could have won it."

Thats exactly why its a lottery.>

Oops, I think I misunderstood you. Turns out we agree. Sorry.

Nov-24-10  khursh: <The Rocket: Thats exactly why its a lottery.>

A short match may also be considered a lottery. That's why Fischer wanted longer matches (<The unlimited match favors the better player.>)

So those who are "risk aversive people" adapt formats to 'what they think is perfect' while "risk takers" don't much care of format.

Chess champion is a tradition, and it "intrigues, hardship, politics, corruption, story, etc" which all the champions [in some way or another] went through.

The day we introduce a clear cut "perfect?" system to find the best player, the chess champion title will lose its shine.

Nov-24-10  The Rocket: <"A short match may also be considered a lottery. That's why Fischer wanted longer matches (<The unlimited match favors the better player.>) ">

According to Kramnik(or Anand dont remember who) a match like those in the candidates nowdays is a lottery as well.

Nov-24-10
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  visayanbraindoctor: <The Rocket: According to Kramnik(or Anand dont remember who) a match like those in the candidates nowdays is a lottery as well.>

The element of luck will definitely be stronger in short matches. I do hope that in the next WC cycle, the Candidates matches would be longer, say 8 to 12 games.

For that matter the World Championship Match should be longer too, something like 14 to 24 games.

Nov-24-10  AnalyzeThis: If they want to properly 'remember' Tal, the right way to do it is have 80 perenct of the games be decisive, not have 80 percent be draws.
Nov-24-10  The Rocket: You want them to pre-arrange the result of the games?
May-11-11  Billy Vaughan: <If they want to properly 'remember' Tal, the right way to do it is have 80 perenct of the games be decisive, not have 80 percent be draws.>

If you want to properly 'remember' Tal, don't forget the second half of his career. He certainly wasn't averse to draws, even short ones: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches...

Nov-29-11  serenpidity.ejd: Who won in this 2010 Tal? Can someone post?
Nov-29-11  wordfunph: <serenpidity>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal_Me...

Nov-29-11  serenpidity.ejd: The check is in the mail<wordfunph.>
Jun-09-12  dumbgai: "Not a single player in this photo was happy with their play today."

http://chessintranslation.com/wp-co...

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