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|Jan-28-11|| ||frogbert: <need to realize that Kramnik was already a pawn down out of the opening and try to salvage a draw>|
kramnik <gave> the pawn the way he did in order to make it <easier> for him to save a draw. kramnik <chose> this ending a pawn down.
oh well. people find beauty in different places. there's no doubt which decisive game today offered the most big mistakes, for one. should we similarly discredit nakamura his win, saying that he needed nepo to do several grave mistakes in order to win?
i don't think so. the problem seems to be that many don't grasp the complexity of "simple end games" with reduced material. there's a reason why stronger players score extremely well against lesser players in endings.
in the only tournament i played last year i didn't do that well - but in 9 rounds i won 3 endings that all should've been draws at some point with best defence. so personally i love that people typically don't understand end games very well. :o)
|Jan-28-11|| ||The Rocket: I know a gm around close 2500 very well and I would be quite suprised if he wouldnt play identical to carlsen in this endgame.|
Nice win of course for carsen regardless, but all this talk about his endgame skills in this particular game is nonsense.
|Jan-28-11|| ||Lady In Black: fgh, read this: KRAMNIK IS BECOMING A GRANDPA|
|Jan-28-11|| ||samikd: <anandrulez> well, everybody in this tournament is a solid player. Nobody is a slouch at this level. You still have to win, if you are aspiring to be the champion|
|Jan-28-11|| ||fisayo123: I think nowadays its easier to beat Kramnik with white than Wang Hao with black.Wang Hao actually had a very tough pairing for this tourney.Black against Kramnik,Anand,Carlsen and Aronian. But Naka is still the favorite and deserves to win for his enterprising and dynamic play.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Lady In Black: Why are people who doesnt understand about a topic feel compelled to speak?|
|Jan-28-11|| ||frogbert: <If that position from move 25 (after the exchange of queens) to move 80 "plays itself," I can just stop trying to learn to play endings!>|
hehe, jim bartle. :o)
i think people forget that carlsen and kramnik are among the best end game players in the world. hence, carlsen judges kramnik's play on that background. kramnik did most things right - but carlsen doesn't need many tiny mistakes to squeeze home an end game advantage.
i feel rather certain that naka wouldn't have escaped after the exchange of queens in naka-anand, if carlsen were playing the black pieces. but that will remain hypothetical, of course.
|Jan-28-11|| ||Lady In Black: The one who deserves to win is the guy with the most points in the end of the tournament.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||samikd: <fisayo> are you kidding ? Its <never> easy to beat Kramnik. It has never been|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Lady In Black: If Shirov win the next two games he will get less than half possible points. He is forcing me to laugh loud. Study chess man.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||Lady In Black: samik, say it to Fritz|
|Jan-28-11|| ||frogbert: <I know a gm around close 2500 very well and I would be quite suprised if he wouldnt play identical to carlsen in this endgame.>|
he's a particularly strong end game player? or do you say that any 2500 gm would "play identical to carlsen" here? or both?
based on what? your own judgement of the position? did you possibly listen to the discussion between seirawan and svidler on icc chessfm?
anyway, you are entitled to your opinion. but as a young, developing player i think you should take some time with this game and try to calculate some lines, the rocket. because - surprise, surprise - there were lots of lines that needed to be calculated.
|Jan-28-11|| ||siamesedream: <Exhausted, but extremely happy after grinding out a win against Kramnik :)>|
<Another good day at the office, but there are still two incredibly important rounds left!!>
|Jan-28-11|| ||Riverbeast: Any more Nakamura skeptics out there?
Love him, hate him, or indifferent, you gotta give the man his props...He's playing like a genius
|Jan-28-11|| ||frogbert: riverbeast, have you heard lots of nakamura skepticism lately?|
naka is about where aronian was around 2006 when he won linares. not saying that it's directly comparable, but just roughly.
have we been in the "aronian age" since then, to paraphrase another nakamura fan (on the naka page today)? has aronian become world number 1? is he world champion yet?
naka is still establishing himself as a top 10 player - it looks like he's there to stay. some people may have doubted that, but based on his last year they probably shouldn't have. it would still be surprising if naka immediately joined the group of anand, aronian, carlsen, kramnik and topalov. winning one tournament isn't enough.
do you think he will? will he surpass everybody else (below the top 5), and make us start talking about the "golden 6" (or 7) or something? what does a non-skeptic think is in store for the remainder of 2011, riverbeast?
|Jan-28-11|| ||frogbert: you mean Rb7+ i guess.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||The Rocket: After rb7+:=) any other grandmaster would play the same...|
|Jan-28-11|| ||anandrulez: HA HA HA HA Naka in official report .
I played very well today, but there’s two rounds left and I’m not quite there yet. I play (Russia’s Vladimir) Kramnik on Saturday and he is a former world champion and all that. But I’m not concerned: I’m on form and I’ll have white.
To be underlined ...he if a formed world champion and all that ...
|Jan-28-11|| ||anandrulez: Carlsen :
(see diagram) “45. Ke6 would have been enough for a draw,” Carlsen said. “And as late as after the tricky 58. … Kd1 he might have played 59. Bc8 to avoid zugzwang,” he added. “But because he probably thought the game would be drawn anyway, Kramnik played inaccurately towards the end.” Carlsen added a full point to his score when the former world champion finally resigned at his 80th, two advanced
|Jan-28-11|| ||Riverbeast: <frogbert> I'll leave the prognosticating for others|
All I was saying was, the man's playing like a genius
I suggested a long time ago someone should check the kid's head for chips
Is there a radiologist in the house? ;-)
|Jan-28-11|| ||percyblakeney: Nakamura has been incredibly impressive, +5 and clear first with two rounds to go in a field with three 2800+ players, Kramnik, and a Candidates participant like Grischuk five full points behind. Now if just Carlsen had had his white opening disaster against Nakamura instead of against Giri...|
|Jan-28-11|| ||The Rocket: Haha riverbeast is of course unbiased in this viewpoint:)|
|Jan-28-11|| ||frogbert: <All I was saying was, the man's playing like a genius>|
can't argue with that. :o)
as i said in another thread: i'm perfectly happy with keeping it here and now. i don't know the future, but i can accurately describe the past. just like chess ratings. ;o)
|Jan-28-11|| ||galdur: Nakamura carries well on the tradition of Marshall, Fine and Fischer. Well done.|
|Jan-28-11|| ||theagenbiteofinwit: <but i can accurately describe the past.>|
The past doubts you raised about Hideous' ability to compete on the elite level were possibly the most inaccurate thing you uttered on here :)
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