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|Jan-30-11|| ||AuN1: <me to play: Of course it is far too early...but just for fun this is the field I would like to see in next years "A" group|
l'ami did not even win a single game. i'd rather see smeets and/or van wely. hou yifan should qualify from the b group before she gets an automatic seed in my opinion. i would not mind seeing wang hao again, he had some interesting games. the rest of your suggestions were pretty good though.
|Jan-30-11|| ||TheMacMan: Kasparov - "Nakamura’s result was perhaps even better than any tournament performance by Bobby Fischer, the former world champion, and maybe the best in more than 100 years" - Kasparov|
|Jan-31-11|| ||ughaibu: Kasparov seems to talking only about "Americans", otherwise his comment would be laughable.|
|Jan-31-11|| ||Bdellovibrio: He was talking about Americans - because he then goes on to compare Nakamura's result to those of Fischer, Fine, Marshall, and Pillsbury.|
|Jan-31-11|| ||bartonlaos: I'm excited to see that the biggest story to hit American Chess in almost a Century makes the front-page of the NYTimes-blog!|
|Jan-31-11|| ||notyetagm: Game Collection: Magnus Carlsen Best Games|
Carlsen vs Nakamura, 2011
Kramnik vs Carlsen, 2011
Carlsen vs Wang Hao, 2011
|Jan-31-11|| ||rilkefan: Following up on <Bdellovibrio>'s remark, note that Kasparov says, "So unless you include Capablanca as an American player, I think you can go back to Pillsbury at Hastings 1895 for an American tournament victory on par with Nakamura’s.”|
|Jan-31-11|| ||percyblakeney: <I think you can go back to Pillsbury at Hastings 1895 for an American tournament victory on par with Nakamura’s>|
Indeed, maybe Marshall's Cambridge Springs 1904 comes closest after that. McClain writes:
<Kasparov’s analysis is interesting, but he seems to have neglected Gata Kamsky, who won the World Cup in 2007, and beat some outstanding players along the way, including Alexei Shirov, Peter Svidler, Ruslan Ponomariov, and Carlsen>
I don't think that knockout win is anywhere near comparable to a Wijk aan Zee with Anand, Aronian, Kramnik and Carlsen of 2011. The highest ranked player Kamsky won a minimatch against in 2007 was #10 Shirov.
|Jan-31-11|| ||metatron2: <I don't think that knockout win is anywhere near comparable to a Wijk aan Zee with Anand, Aronian, Kramnik and Carlsen of 2011. The highest ranked player Kamsky won a minimatch against in 2007 was #10 Shirov.>|
Agree, plus Kasparov was probably referring to players who grew in the US, and Kamsky is very far from it, or to put it in other words: It wasn't the US who made Kamsky the chess player that he is..
|Jan-31-11|| ||ounos: <<ounos: Congrats to Nakamura. But, as tournament dynamics go, one should also count that he playing opponents who faced Carlsen in the previous round > LOL So Carlsen even gets credit for Nakamura's wins? ;-)>
First of all, if you've played in a closed strong tournament, you would have known this effect for yourself. Second, this was also the opinion of either Kotov or Bronstein (can't remember if I read this in Thinking like a GM or the Zurich '53 book). Next time you meet a GM, be sure to ask whether this can play a role, you'd be surprized.|
Curiously, I've seen the r12 match of Naka-Kramnik, and someone left this comment: "KarpovFan: Kramnik was wounded after yesterday, Naka should have pused for more, this is the most drawish continuation of all. ".
Thinking that these are not men but timeless machines with no concept of yesterday or tomorrow or psychology is, well, plain wrong.
|Jan-31-11|| ||percyblakeney: Apart from everything else the World Cup 2007 had only one player ranked in the top six, Ivanchuk, who lost a rapid tiebreak against Nisipeanu. There's of course Fine's AVRO 1938 even if Keres was the tiebreak winner, but nowadays such results are usually counted as shared first, even if Kasparov makes a point of not counting shared firsts.|
|Jan-31-11|| ||messachess: Congrats. to Nakamura. It may be time to keep an eye on the whole group of up-and-coming youngsters: Carlsen, Naka., Karjakin, but also Nepomniachtchi, cleary also Giri. Also Luke McShane could make a run. He has the talent. There are several others. It's quite a dynamic group, all within a narrow age range with many 20-year-olds. |
Aronian probably has the best claim to wc potential after Anand. The whole constellation of top 15 are really quite close.
|Jan-31-11|| ||Lady In Black: A young men crossed the Ocean and went on to beat the crowd elite, two world champions, 2 unbeatable opponents, 3 guys above 2800 elo, and young chess maniacs. The niponic descendent forced me to admire him.|
|Jan-31-11|| ||Kazzak: If I may add some humor to the proceedings.
|Jan-31-11|| ||Eyal: <Any word on this year's Linares?>|
Jeroen van den Berg, the Tata tournament director: "The situation with Linares is unclear"... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYVZ...). Btw, he also says there that M-Tel in Sofia is off this year again, and Bazna will be part of the Grand Slam cycle once more.
|Jan-31-11|| ||Eyal: In that press conference video there’s also a bit with Nakamura at the beginning. He says that he became more serious about chess in the last couple of years instead of being a teenager (which is "kind of like what Magnus is doing right now"...); specifically regarding opening choice (no more 2.Qh5) and preparation, as well as cutting down on blitz, learning to "slow down" and play more solidly. He mentions becoming 2800 till the end of the year as his main goal. |
He’s asked about rejecting the invitation to Group B in 2008 – and says that he felt ("rightly or wrongly") he should have been invited to the A Group already back then. This certainly sounds as a more plausible explanation (from Nakamura’s viewpoint) than the better weather at Gibraltar, which is often mentioned as a reason...
|Jan-31-11|| ||MrMelad: <He mentions becoming 2800 till the end of the year as his main goal.> He sure has a good chance of doing exactly that. It won't be easy though...|
|Jan-31-11|| ||Billy Vaughan: <l'ami did not even win a single game. i'd rather see smeets and/or van wely.>|
Agreed, we all joke about van Wely being the Wijk aan Zee punching bag, but he is also exactly the uncompromising fighter that fans like so much. For instance, he won more games last year than Anand did, and very nearly beat Invincible!Carlsen. He also lost six games, but that's the price you pay for excitement. If there has to be a (non-Giri) Dutch player, van Wely's still my pick.
|Jan-31-11|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <percyblakeney: Apart from everything else the World Cup 2007 had only one player ranked in the top six, Ivanchuk, who lost a rapid tiebreak against Nisipeanu. >|
Right. I look at this achievement by Nakamura as being one of the top results of the last 10 years; definitely one of the very best since Kasparov retired.
|Jan-31-11|| ||mike1: First of all a thanks to Tata to continue with this remarkable tradition. We will see who is on the list for next year.|
Just one remark to Kasparows look on the historic significance of Nakamura's win. There was a certain Robert James Fisher who won some tournaments as remarkable as this one
and an Interzonal (1962-Zuerich) with a 2 1/2 point margin as the first non-russian. yes, this one was "stronger" but...
|Jan-31-11|| ||Eyal: <we all joke about van Wely being the Wijk aan Zee punching bag, but he is also exactly the uncompromising fighter that fans like so much. For instance, he won more games last year than Anand did, and very nearly beat Invincible!Carlsen. He also lost six games, but that's the price you pay for excitement.>|
The game where he nearly beat Carlsen was in 2008, in last year’s game he was outplayed pretty much from the opening. But yeah, his games are hardly ever boring and he's almost always ready to go into sharp lines – though sometimes it looks like amateurism no less than "fighting spirit"; last year, for example, he was twice blown off the board in little more than 20 moves when playing a Sicilian Najdorf line for which he wasn’t prepared well, just falling into what amounted to opening traps. Anyway, if you want to ensure a great game by VW you should invite Radjabov as well and make certain VW gets White...
|Jan-31-11|| ||acirce: <There was a certain Robert James Fisher who won some tournaments as remarkable as this one>|
No, he didn't. Not even one. Not even close.
|Jan-31-11|| ||bartonlaos: <A young men crossed the Ocean and went on to beat the crowd elite, two world champions> Two and a half?|
How to describe Pono's former status in relation to the other two WC's?
|Jan-31-11|| ||67JediChessMaster: GO USA Chess!Finally !|
|Jan-31-11|| ||fixingguru: IMO the biggest tournament victory by an American has to be Reuben Fine's win at AVRO 1938. There he toasted the world champion Alekhine twice(!) and also Euwe, Botwinnik, Reshevsky and Flohr. |
Naka toasted Vachier-Lagrave, Nepomniashi, Grischuk, Ami, Smeets and Shirov. With all due respect to these players, the ones Fine toasted were in another league.
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