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|Feb-24-11|| ||firebyrd: <Hovik2009> But for Cramling there wouldn't have been a single draw.|
|Feb-24-11|| ||IMDONE4: Elina Danielian won all her games so far!|
|Feb-24-11|| ||Hovik2009: <firebyrd>
yes , that is odd, I didn't notice that!
|Feb-24-11|| ||Hovik2009: Elina played a fantasticand complicated attacking game today, you could call it a masterpiece by girl's standards, her 17th move ...Ne4?! after an hour long pondering was coined by most engines as blunder, but the end result showed that human brain could see much deeper than any modern computer ever will wish for to duplicate!|
the problem with computer evaluations is that they don't include the human factor and always assume that opponent will play the best move considered by the engines.
|Feb-24-11|| ||ajile: <Skakalec: <ajile><What's the point of even having a women's only tournament if both sexes are equal in intelligence?>
Having women only tournaments but not men only tournaments is a tacit admission that women can't compete with men in chess with everything else being equal. It's interesting isn't it that we don't hear any women complaining about it though. They only complain when discrimination hurts them not helps.
Having women only chess tournaments sends the wrong message to our children IMO. If we say we are equals we need to act and behave like we are equals.
|Feb-24-11|| ||percyblakeney: <They only complain when discrimination hurts them>|
I don't think women are worse than any other group in that respect. Chess is such a men only game in general that working to make the few women that play stop by banning their events on the ground that it's their own fault if they can't compete with Anand and Carlsen doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
|Feb-24-11|| ||alexmagnus: Well, it's interesting that up to a certain age girls and boys play together - and also develop about equally quickly - then they get separated. I noticed that female top players tend to stagnate between no earlier than 13 and no later than 20 - and funnily, around 13 is the age where women-only tournaments start. I wonder what here is the cause and what the effect. That is, were teenage (and later) women tournaments consequence of this stagnation or is the stagnation a consequence of women tournaments?|
|Feb-24-11|| ||HeMateMe: I think its a physiological event. Very talanted male and female players might be at equal strength around the ages 9-12, then the male players develop more rapidly, and the chasm widens, between top flight male and female players.|
Knowing what this physiological process is, how to perhaps alter it to help woman, is a very interesting topic. Maybe we will see such discoveries in our lifetimes, as the mysteries of the brain are uncovered.
|Feb-24-11|| ||TheFocus: I think that around the teen-age years, females just naturally begin thinking about cleaning house, cooking, having babies, etc.|
Chess pales in the face of what is more important.
<I hope you all know that I am just kidding.>
|Feb-25-11|| ||researchj: Mr. Polgar proved that women can play chess as well as men.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Skakalec: <researchjr><Mr. Polgar proved that women can play chess as well as men.>|
Polgar's father, yes.
The thing is, not everything in chess depends on intelligence. Social and physiological factors play maybe crucial role in the different development of boys and girls around puberty.
|Feb-25-11|| ||BLarsen1967: <ajile><Having women only chess tournaments sends the wrong message to our children IMO> I dont think the Great Alexandra Kosteniuk will agree with you
|Feb-25-11|| ||percyblakeney: <is the stagnation a consequence of women tournaments?>|
I doubt that all a bunch of talented girls have to do to compete for a 2750+ rating is avoid playing other girls. Hou Yifan has played more strong events against men than most boys her age, but has still been stuck around 2600 for years. Good, but it's doubtful if she ever will be close to reach a top 100 spot, and she is one of a kind after Polgar. Kashlinskaya was called a new Polgar a couple of years ago while
still below 2350, but today she is even further from 2350.
The best men play much better chess than the best women at the moment, the #1 rating gap is 128 points but
when Polgar retires it could be more than 200 points. The low number of women playing chess, physical strength,
traditions, or maybe something else actually makes men better chess players (and "better at chess" and "more
intelligent" aren't synonyms). But it isn't certain that even a hypothetical totally equal future society
would have men and women playing chess on the same level.
|Feb-25-11|| ||percyblakeney: Especially in western countries there are few women with a high rating. Sweden finished best of the Nordic countries in the Olympiad 2010, and the clearly highest rated player in the team was 2161. The second best Nordic country was Denmark, with the top players rated 2157 and 2036. Iceland has always had many good players among the men, but the women's team has players in the 1700s in it. A majority of the players in the English team was in the 2000s. In most of these cases the best players are immigrants from eastern countries.|
USA has two women in the 2400s but the third is ranked much more than a hundred points below them, and all of them have an eastern connection. It just doesn't seem to exist any tradition whatsoever of women playing chess in western countries, at least not on a higher level. In Scandinavia Cramling is unique in that respect, her retiring could mean a 300 point drop at the #1 spot.
|Feb-25-11|| ||Hovik2009: Danielian won again!
This time with black pieces against Dzagnidze, one of the favorates and runner ups for grand prix series.
|Feb-25-11|| ||shivasuri4: Does anyone have the GP standings and the points gained for 1st place,2nd place and so on?If Koneru doesn't finish first,what place does Dzagnidze need to come down to for Koneru to finish first in the GP?Thanks.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||bharatiy: If Koneru doesnot finish first, nana is the clear winner. Only chance for Koneru is to be first gain 160 points so she gets 413.5 and hope that Nana does not get 123.5 which can happen if she is second or shared second. If she is third and she gets 110, Koneru wins. So Koneru has to win this and Nana should get less than 123.5. No one else has chance to win Grand Prix.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||bharatiy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIDE_W...
You can find all standings here.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||BLarsen1967: Elina's Live Rating: 2496,9,official rating: 2454 - Seems like Elina D. is painting her masterpiece these days,bringing it all back home,to Armenia,the land of Petrosian & Gurdjieff|
|Feb-25-11|| ||Ezzy: Elina Danielian is on fire at the moment with 4/4
Before todays game <Nana Dzagnidze v Elina Danielian> one would have thought it would be a tough day for Danielian, because their head to head score read - Dzagnidze 6 - 0 Danielian.
It was a fantastic effort to win with black and gain her first win against Dzagnidze. In addition of having retained her 100% score with 4/4.
|Feb-25-11|| ||waustad: I've been a fan of Pia Cramling since she was the cute teenager on the cover of Chesslife. I've heard an interview of hers where she defended the existence of all female tourneys. In her case, it is a fact of life that it helps her income, because she is very active and gets to go to invitational tourneys instead of just big Swisses. People seem to enjoy these tournaments so more money goes into them and she keeps a higher profile. She's a little stronger than her husband but probably makes a lot more playing (though he's my age and probably slipping faster). Most GMs who are pushing 50 and in the 2500+ and slipping mode don't get those invitations outside of their home countries.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||unsound: <bharatiy> <No one else has chance to win Grand Prix.> Except the leader, Hou Yifan. As you can see from the table you linked to, Hou wins if Dzagnidze finishes outside the top 2 and Koneru doesn't finish first.|
|Feb-25-11|| ||bharatiy: <unsound> you are right, but it does not matter as she is WC.|
|Feb-26-11|| ||HowDoesTheHorsieMove: <bharatiy> I think it matters to Hou Yifan. Aside from the prestige, I think there is money at stake.|
|Feb-26-11|| ||BLarsen1967: Yes. - I also think Hou would want Humpy Koneru as opponent/challenger,Hou has a 7-2 score against her. Nana Dzagnidze otoh has a positive score ag. Yifan Hou|
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