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| Jun-05-11 | | arnaud1959: <In fact after Radjabov wins with black against 1.d4 and after Anand wins against 1.e4, white is running out of first moves!> We can almost say that on the first move white is in zugzwang :) |
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Jun-05-11
 | | HeMateMe: < If you wild and crazy chess-playing party animals would stop wasting all of your disposable income on riotous living,> Our cash is all tied up in those huge health insurance premiums. |
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| Jun-05-11 | | drik: <Anand/Aronian and Kasparov/Kramnik comparison is not correct at all. in fact in tournament games Kasparov leads Kramnik by one classical game +4-3 (+1) and as far as I know +2 in rapid/blitz.> Missing Kramnik's two match wins out entirely? "Garry Kasparov and Vladimir Kramnik have played 49 classical chess games, of which Kramnik won five, Kasparov took four wins, and 40 games were drawn" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o... Regarding Aronian v Anand the numbers are more skewed in Aronian's favour - but perhaps 30+ classical games are required for the levels of confidence being expressed here. Remember the first 32 games of the 1984 K v K match ... 5-0. Admittedly a case of the younger player learning more quickly than the older; but you could argue that Anand has been focused on title defences against Kramnik & Topalov for most Aronian's time in the elite. It is possible that he would do better if he focused that prep on Aronian. |
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| Jun-05-11 | | Akavall: <hedgeh0g> Yes. That's a good point. |
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| Jun-05-11 | | Akavall: I just played this blitz game as white. I can certainly relate to Shirov after this :). 1. e4 1 c6 1 2. d4 1 d5 1 3. e5 1 Bf5 1 4. Nf3 1 e6 2 5. Be2 0
Ne7 5 6. O-O 1 h6 1 7. c4 3 Nd7 2 8. Nc3 2 Bg4 9 9. Be3 4
dxc4 3 10. Bxc4 4 Nd5 4 11. Ne4 8 Be7 5 12. h3 7 Bh5 2 13. Rc1 6
O-O 3 14. Qd2 5 Bxf3 3 15. gxf3 2 Bb4 35 16. Nc3 13 Qh4 5 17.
Kh2 6 Qh5 10 18. Rg1 19 Kh8 6 19. Rg3 26 f5 8 20. exf6 15 Rxf6 4
21. Rcg1 25 Rxf3 15 22. Rxf3 6 Qxf3 3 23. Bxh6 24 Bd6+ 17 24. Rg3
15 Bxg3+ 18 25. fxg3 3 gxh6 38 ' 26. Qxh6+ 3 Kg8 0 27. Qxe6+ 6
Qf7 4 28. Qg4+ 6 Kf8 2 29. Ne4 6 N7f6 12 30. Nxf6 11 Qxf6 1 31.
Qh5 6 Re8 5 Akavall resigns (Lag: Av=0.57s, max=0.9s) . 0-1 |
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| Jun-05-11 | | WiseWizard: When does Anand play next? |
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Jun-05-11
 | | parisattack: Not pretty; at least for Shirov. Even though I thought it a classical match when I made the forecast, I thought he would have done better. Is Anand THAT strong? If so, wow! Having a SGM tied in knots in 20 moves is scary. |
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| Jun-05-11 | | theagenbiteofinwit: <Having a SGM tied in knots in 20 moves is scary> It's arguable that Shirov is only a SGM once every couple of years. |
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| Jun-05-11 | | WiseWizard: Not once did Shirov have the initiative. |
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Jun-05-11
 | | Domdaniel: No - he had a slight initiative in game #1, the Caro-Kann with 4.Nf3. Although Anand snuffed it out without much difficulty, so maybe it was only an apparent initiative. |
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Jun-05-11
 | | SteinitzLives: These games remind me of a 2400 NYC coffee house hustler trying to knock off Fischer by playing hyper risky openings . . . . with the expected result. |
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| Jun-05-11 | | blueofnoon: The score was rather lopsided, but we should appreciate not only Anand but Shirov too for going for complicated struggle in most of the games. Had it been Kramnik, we would have had to see 15 moves draw and hear stupid excuses for why he agreed on draw so early. Congratulations on the players for showing such an entertaining match.! |
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Jun-05-11
 | | hedgeh0g: Out of Anand's three wins, not a single one was some pawn-up-in-an-endgame affair. Every victory was a complete rout. Clean-up on aisle Shirov. |
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| Jun-05-11 | | AndrewMD: Do they have agreement that if Anand is white they will start with QGD and if Shirov is white, Caro-Kann? |
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| Jun-06-11 | | pulsar: Thank you <CG> for the coverage! A great fighting match that produced a well-deserved victory for the WC. |
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| Jun-06-11 | | EXIDE: Most of the comments imply that everyone enjoyed these games (almost everyone). Should chess games be played with reduced time limits to make them more interesting? I mean all regular tournament play. Including world championships. The increased audience would surely help chess overall. May even get a TV audience. Or is it too much to ask? |
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| Jun-06-11 | | bronkenstein: EXIDE , the quality of the games was rather poor...especially the one Shirov lost in 17 (!!!) moves with white , and he was lost somewhere in the area of move 10... In game 5 , with white again , he was worse pretty fast aswell . And even the time for classic chess games is being reduced on and on , therefore the quality already went down. If fans want to be amused by GM blunderland , then that is the way to go . Make it blitz, then make it bullet, then televise it =) |
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Jun-06-11
 | | Sokrates: < Hovik2009: "Angstgegner"
I couldn't find this word in my Webster's Collegiate, but it must be compund of "angst" Germanic word meaning anxiety and dread (Latin angustus=narrow, akin to English anguish and anger) plus -gegner(from -gegn) which must be Germanic meaning counter or against. please correct me if I am wrong>
You are right. Since I was the one, who apparently introduced the word, I should have explained it. German is not for everybody here, I should have realised - sorry! Angstgegner is a precise word for your specific OPPONENT OF FEAR, meaning that others may not fear him, but he has a way of playing that is especially difficult or uncomfortable for you. Another typical example from chess history was Botvinnik as Angstgegner to Keres. Many of those, who beat Botvinnik, or were his equals (Bronstein, Smyslov, Tal) were not superior to Keres, yet Keres only managed to defeat Botvinnik twice. |
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| Jun-06-11 | | APatzer: Congratulations to both players for playing entertaining, non-drawish chess games. |
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| Jun-06-11 | | cbpatzer: Anand criticises Bilbao system, talks about match with Gelfand, and confirms playing Tal http://blip.tv/chess/anand-is-new-l... somewhere after min 5 in the video. |
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| Jun-06-11 | | fgh: <shach matov: Anand/Aronian and Kasparov/Kramnik comparison is not correct at all. in fact in tournament games Kasparov leads Kramnik by one classical game +4-3 (+1) and as far as I know +2 in rapid/blitz.> I think it's been stated here repeatedly that Kramnik leads Kasparov +1 in classical games, so I'm really curious as to how you arrived at this statistic. |
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| Jun-06-11 | | shach matov: <fgh>
you really have to try reading more attentively before making comments. my post clearly states <tournament games> in which case Kasparov leads Kramnik by +1 in classical and +2 in rapid/blitz. |
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Jun-06-11
| | Domdaniel: <Angstgegner> English has bugbear, bugaboo, and bogey, each defined as an object of terror or cause of anxiety. Also *hoodoo*, a jinx or bringer of bad luck. I prefer Angstgegner. |
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Jun-06-11
 | | sevenseaman: I got the gist. If one is 'angstgegner' bogeyman then the opposite number is his 'bunny', a soft target. Bete noire will be a somewhat different thing from angstgegner but the two approximate in 'nemesis'. |
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| Jun-06-11 | | fisayo123: Tournament play with classical time controls is the most entertaining form of chess. Of course with Super-GM' playing. Candidate Matches tend to be boring excluding the chess world cup. Lesser known but talented players can catch top GM' s off guard. Now that's chess. |
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